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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Dual band cavity filter? (Floyd Rodgers)
2. Re: HEO (Jean Marc Momple)
3. Re: HEO (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
4. Re: Is This AMSAT's Future? (Ev Tupis)
5. Re: My Ballot arrived - Now what? Something to consider.
(Joseph Armbruster)
6. ANS-204 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin - AMSAT Partners
with UMaine's Wise-Net Lab to Develop Maine's First Small
Satellite (Paul Stoetzer)
7. Re: My Ballot arrived - Now what? Something to consider.
(Bruce Perens)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 17:03:24 +0000 (UTC)
From: Floyd Rodgers <kc5qbc@??????.???>
To: GEO Badger <w3ab@?????.???>, Robert Bruninga <bruninga@????.???>
Cc: amsat bb <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Dual band cavity filter?
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Could you give more specifics of what you are trying to do? If it is
intermod suppression?why not just use one or two comet or diamond duplexers??
On Tuesday, July 21, 2020, 06:32:48 PM CDT, Robert Bruninga via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
1-in 2-out is fallback but only if impossible for 1 in and 1 out.
Do you think if we make the UHF closer to the 3rd harmonic of the VHF that
we can make it work with one cavity?
I assume that due to stray effects that the UHF peak will NOT be exactly
the 3rd harmonic so there can be some isolation maybe.
Since the radio is dual band full duplex, I wonder if it can protect itself
if one TX on vhf and RX on 3rd harmonic.? ALl that power into the UHF front
end?
I'd start building but just today in my Chemo saga, my right arm is
almost useless? I have to move my right hand from mouse to keyboard with
my left hand.? So whipping up something is a dream at this point.? This has
come on suddenly...
Bob
P
On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 5:53 PM GEO Badger <w3ab@?????.???> wrote:
> Bob,
>
> You've stirred, not shaken, some ideas in my pea brain. 2 band/1 input
> in-out is the difficult part. That's why it's expensive. Of course the
> machining adds cost too.
>
> How about 2 band/1 input- 2 outputs?
>
> ---
> Ciao baby, catch you on the flip side
>
> 73 de W3AB/GEO
>
> http://www.w3ab.org
>
> You can say "over", you can say "out", you just can't say "over and out".
>
>
> On Monday, July 20, 2020, 06:37:48 AM PDT, Robert Bruninga via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
>
> Many of us use dual band radios but when operating on mountains or hills we
> need a front end cavity filter.? The DCI dual band helical filter is ideal
> but I just learned it is $530!
>
> I'm starting to visualize? a cavity filter made out of a piece of aluminum
> drain pipe.? With a capacitive screw at the top for tuning VHF and a
> smaller one about 1/3rd the way up for UHF.
>
> My theory is that the lower UHF capacitance will be at a UHF high-Z point
> and will tune the UHF nicely and the one at the top will tune the VHF
> nicely.? Of course with very much interaction.
>
> Unfortunately for our annual Golden Packet Event, the 3rd harmonic of our
> APRS VHF operating frequency is at 432 and our use of APRS UHF talking freq
> at 445.925 is quite away away.
>
> Maybe if such a single cavity design could work, we could use the event's
> UHF voice coordination frequency closer to the 3rd harmonic to make the
> filter easier or possible to tune dual band? (Though we night then also
> Desense voice with every packet).
>
> I want it to buildable from Home Depot and common tools.? Wont be as good
> as the $530 DCI filter, but maybe close enough for our event.
>
> It wont be robust and it wont be quality, but might work for us AND amsat
> dual band operators in the field.
>
> my big assumption is that a 1/4 wave cavity filter will also work on its
> 3rd harmonic?? We only need to knock down QRM to prevent desense.
>
> Anyone have cheaper than $530 solutions?
>
> Bob
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 21:21:38 +0400
From: Jean Marc Momple <jean.marc.momple@?????.???>
To: "n4laz@?????.???? <n4laz@?????.???>
Cc: "amsat-bb@?????.???? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] HEO
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Andrew,
I wish to share with you the example of QO-100 that unfortunately cannot be
experience by US OM's. In a nutshell:
1) A QO-100 Ground Station cost about 1/2 that a duplex (V/U or UV) FM LEO
setup in spite using 2.4Ghz as uplink and 10GHz downlink. For a HEO you will
have to add the cost of a ele/azm rotator fo sure. And for sure on V/U or
U/V when the HEO at apogee you will need more serious antenna and rotator
anyway than waving to it with an arrow or similar rig. Thus adding a 70cm
dish or even a 1.2m one on your tracking system is not a great deal.
2) A HEO may have both as expressed by some on this forum. I mean microwave
and V/U or U/V FM or Linear transponders. This would be really nice.
The point is that using microwave frequencies is not so hard as one may
think and not expensive by using repurposed equipment such as TV LNB?s,
SDR?s and wifi booster as well proven with QO-100.
Hope this helps.
Jean Marc (3B8DU)
> On Jul 22, 2020, at 8:45 PM, Andrew Lazenby via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> Hello EveryoneI recently joined Amsat because I felt like a bit of a
hypocrite for complaining about things, and not doing my part to change
them. One thing that does bug me is the HEO satellites having microwave
uplinks and downlinks. I think that will greatly limit the clientele that
will be able to use these.
> I have head many older hams gripe about LEO satellites and reflect back
on how back in the day there would be passes up for hours! Many of them
where using drifty transverters with terrible noise figures, turning
antennas with tv rotators and no preamp! The argument that I have heard to
move to mircowave uplinks and downlinks is lower noise, but if it worked
with them back then, then what's changed?
> Something else to consider is that the microwave spectrum is under fire
from commercial interest more and more. Why not consider like a U/L or L/U
transponder? That would bring the envelope a little closer to where the
average ham could operate with out investing in some serious equipment,
while keeping the dream of HEO alive for the large percentage of satellite
operators, and not just a handful?
> Forgive me if Im wrong, but I just wanted to put my 2 cents in the pot. If
we all would learn to work together as much as we fuss we would be making
some tracks. Thanks everyone, Andrew N4LAZ
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 17:30:35 +0000
From: "Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)" <amsat-bb@??????.???>
To: "n4laz@?????.???? <n4laz@?????.???>, AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] HEO
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Hi Andrew!
I am all for a variety of satellites. When we had AO-51 in the 2000s, I
found the pieces to work its V/S FM repeater as I started working
satellites. Doppler at 2.4 GHz made tuning those downlinks an almost
constant thing on those passes, but it was fun. We have the sort of
transponder you mentioned in your post with AO-92's L/V FM repeater
right now. We are only permitted to use the 1.2 GHz band for satellite
uplinks, not downlinks.
Many satellite operators now have the 1.2 GHz uplink capability with
the IC-9700, but the only time AO-92 L/V is available appears to be
inconvenient for many who might want to try it right now (Tuesday
evenings and Wednesday mornings in North America). We were told that
the switch from a Sunday UTC activation (Saturday nights and Sunday
mornings in North America) last year was not going to be a permanent
change. I think there would be more new call signs heard on AO-92 L/V
with those IC-9700s and other radios, if that mode was available at a
more convenient time for those who have work or school commitments
during the week. It isn't like we lack V/U or U/V FM satellites right
now.
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
Twitter: @?????? or http://twitter.com/WD9EWK
On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 4:46 PM Andrew Lazenby via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> Hello EveryoneI recently joined Amsat because I felt like a bit of a
> hypocrite for complaining about things, and not doing my part to change
> them. One thing that does bug me is the HEO satellites having microwave
> uplinks and downlinks. I think that will greatly limit the clientele that
> will be able to use these.
> I have head many older hams gripe about LEO satellites and reflect back
> on how back in the day there would be passes up for hours! Many of them
> where using drifty transverters with terrible noise figures, turning
> antennas with tv rotators and no preamp! The argument that I have heard to
> move to mircowave uplinks and downlinks is lower noise, but if it worked
> with them back then, then what's changed?
> Something else to consider is that the microwave spectrum is under fire
> from commercial interest more and more. Why not consider like a U/L or L/U
> transponder? That would bring the envelope a little closer to where the
> average ham could operate with out investing in some serious equipment,
> while keeping the dream of HEO alive for the large percentage of satellite
> operators, and not just a handful?
> Forgive me if Im wrong, but I just wanted to put my 2 cents in the pot. If
> we all would learn to work together as much as we fuss we would be making
> some tracks. Thanks everyone, Andrew N4LAZ
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 17:55:40 +0000 (UTC)
From: Ev Tupis <w2ev@?????.???>
To: "amsat-bb@?????.???? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Is This AMSAT's Future?
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People will find money for the things they want to do.
On the other hand, cost is a convenient scapegoat.? Lol.
Ev, W2EV
On Wednesday, July 22, 2020, 01:19:30 PM EDT, W3AB/GEO via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
Exactomento Zach. I'm a member of a local m/wave club and costs don't seem
to be a detriment to getting on the air. Lots & lots of cheap commercial
gear is available. A soldering iron & some parts tweaking & you've got a
m/wave station.
?___
Sent from my two way wrist watch
73 de W3AB/GEO?
On Jul 22, 2020, 06:51, at 06:51, Zach Metzinger via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>On 07/22/20 02:23, Clint Bradford via AMSAT-BB wrote:
>>>> This could very well be. Tech changes over time. IMHO, Hams need to
>change over time to keep the hobby viable.
>>
>> That required station is quite a jump from enjoying LEOs - and
>getting involved in satellite communications for well under $200,
>though.
>
>There will always be some cost to this hobby, part of which can be
>mitigated by more home-brewing of equipment. However, if one doesn't
>want scratch-build the entire system, there are rather inexpensive
>solutions from commercial components.
>
>OZ1BXM has an overview of the 13cm (2.4 GHz) uplink / 3cm (10 GHz)
>downlink system here:
>
>https://oz1bxm.dk/sat/QO100-rig.html
>
>Seems like the receive chain is quite simple and cheap. I recently
>acquired a 10 GHz LNB, new in a box, from eBay for $20. The RTL-SDR is
>about another $20, and a bias-tee is probably $10, if one can't cobble
>it together from the junk bin.
>
>The transmit path requires a 2.4 GHz radio or converter, which is
>likely
>the most expensive part of the whole system.
>
>One could argue that this setup pushes new operators toward learning to
>
>track and listen before trying to transmit. This is probably a good
>thing.
>
>The 10 GHz information will be useful for GOLF-1's microwave
>capabilities.
>
>--- Zach
>N0ZGO
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 14:04:18 -0400
From: Joseph Armbruster <josepharmbruster@?????.???>
To: Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???>
Cc: Alan <wa4sca@?????.???>, AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>, Alan
Biddle <APBIDDLE@???????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] My Ballot arrived - Now what? Something to
consider.
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Bruce,
I think your descent into mediocrity assessment is baseless and your
statement:"We will work on the issue
over at ORI, instead of AMSAT, and don't be surprised when we continue
to get the participation and grants that were previously directed
toward AMSAT." speaks absolute volumes. It actually gives credence to
those that are saying some are coming into the organization to "take
it over" amongst other things. It also shows a general lack of
knowledge and understanding of all the things AMSAT has been up to and
the time / work that it takes. It also tells everyone on the -bb
about your loose commitment to the real success of AMSAT, when you're
willing to just "go do it with someone else". That's not commitment,
that's having one foot out the door. No doubt, this attitude is
reflected in your choice of candidates.
I (and I think many others on the -bb) are tired of vile blog posts
and I am personally, not supportive of seeing LinkedIn posts badgering
AMSAT publically... vs taking up issues as professionals within the
organization. I am still dumbfounded by the stuff I saw posted on
LinkedIn... It shows a general lack of professionalism and in my
opinion is likely a symptom of larger, more-substantial interpersonal
issues that people are bringing to the table, that likely are the
root-cause of a lot of the "doesn't work well with people" stuff
that's been stated on here.
The term Loose Cannon comes to mind, or, bad apples spoil the bunch.
I mean, if you really think the organization is that bad, do yourself
a favor and leave it alone. Be the bigger person Bruce, take your
team that has a proven track record and run with it. You can be this
generations Elon of amateur radio in space! Why let AMSAT slow you
down?
The constant badgering and harassment of members and directors that
actually have a track-record, is beyond me. What AMSAT needs is to
maintain the people with a Proven Track Record Of Getting Things Done,
not those with a documented track record of whining, complaining and
making empty promises without substance.
Hammond, Paige, Stoetzer, just got my vote.
Joseph Armbruster
KJ4JIO (renewed!)
Joseph Armbruster
On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 1:07 PM Bruce Perens via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> One of my earlier forays into amateur radio policy was to found "No-Code
> International" and lobby to get rid of the Morse Code test worldwide. We
> appeared at many conferences and I even went to Iceland to lobby their IARU
> vote, which was the same as that of the USA even though I had half of the
> hams in the whole country in one room where I was speaking.
>
> During this period, I expected to be punched out or spat upon by angry
> hams. But I was impressed with the civil behavior of hams. Although there
> were complaints to ARRL directors that my table was even admitted to the
> Division conference, I think only one person cursed me out. And he very
> graciously made up after the decision was made.
>
> Certainly no one ever said it was a "hostile takeover". To treat an
> election as that is truly ludicrous.
>
> If you like the descent into mediocrity that AMSAT has been on for a
> decade, by all means vote for the incumbents. We will work on the issue
> over at ORI, instead of AMSAT, and don't be surprised when we continue to
> get the participation and grants that were previously directed toward AMSAT.
>
> But there is an alternative. If you want a way out of AMSAT's decline,
> please vote for these candidates:
>
> Bob McGwier N4HY
> Howie DeFelice AB2S
> Jeff Johns WE4B
>
> Thanks
>
> Bruce
>
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2020, 7:58 AM Alan via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> > Michelle,
> >
> > > Describing me publicly as a ?target? that you want to bomb makes one of
> > us look bad... and it isn?t me.
> >
> > You are probably one of only two people on this list who could possibly
> > twist/spin/distort what I clearly meant into what you claim. Given the
> > complete ludicrousness of that, I will just wish you a good and healthful
> > day.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Alan
> > WA4SCA
> >
> >
> > From: Michelle Thompson [mailto:mountain.michelle@?????.????
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 9:22 AM
> > To: APBIDDLE@???????.???? Alan <wa4sca@?????.???>
> > Cc: amsat-bb@?????.???
> > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] My Ballot arrived - Now what? Something to
> > consider.
> >
> > Describing me publicly as a ?target? that you want to bomb makes one of us
> > look bad... and it isn?t me.
> >
> > Violent responses to ordinary questions about financial oversight have
> > been the pattern from the majority of the absentee board.
> >
> > There certainly was smoke. It lead to real fires. We put some of them out
> > without anyone getting bothered.
> >
> > The voters are the fire department of last resort for a member society. If
> > you are out there, we need your help.
> >
> > Fewer war-obsessed Directors would result in immediate improvement for
> > everyone.
> >
> > Please vote for McGwier, DeFelice, and Johns.
> >
> > -mdt
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 05:19 Alan via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???
> > <mailto:amsat-bb@?????.???> > wrote:
> > Michelle,
> >
> > Thanks for confirming my hypothesis on your tactics and actual
> > motivations. A lightning response consisting of a dense smokescreen, or
> > perhaps heavy flack, means I am over the target. :)
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Alan
> > WA4SCA
> >
> >
> > -------------------------------------
> > You can fool some of the people all of the time,
> > all of the people some of the time, and that is usually sufficient.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > <-----Original Message-----
> > <From: Michelle Thompson [mailto:mountain.michelle@?????.??? <mailto:
> > mountain.michelle@?????.???> ]
> > <Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 6:07 AM
> > <To: APBIDDLE@???????.??? <mailto:APBIDDLE@???????.???> ; Alan <
> > wa4sca@?????.??? <mailto:wa4sca@?????.???> >
> > <Cc: amsat-bb@?????.??? <mailto:amsat-bb@?????.???>
> > <Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] My Ballot arrived - Now what? Something to
> > consider.
> > <
> > <That is true.
> > <
> > <It?s a classic hostile takeover when the doors are locked against a
> > minority of the Directors,
> > <and when company assets are used for personal reasons.
> > <
> > <I add that secretly hiring lawyers to harass and obstruct elected leaders
> > isn?t a hostile
> > <takeover. It?s just plain hostile.
> > <
> > <Lying about it and trying to cover it up is offensive.
> > <
> > <Unlike other things that we do, this isn?t rocket science.
> > <
> > <A stagnant board majority that freaks out and refuses to meet is not an
> > asset to the
> > <corporation.
> > <
> > <Thanks to Alan for highlighting this aspect.
> > <
> > <-Michelle W5NYV
> > <
> > <On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 03:43 Alan via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???
> > <mailto:amsat-bb@?????.???> <mailto:amsat- <mailto:amsat->
> > <bb@?????.??? <mailto:bb@?????.???> > > wrote:
> > <
> > <
> > < John,
> > <
> > < It is more accurate to think of it as an attempted hostile
> > takeover rather
> > < than a civil war, even though it is driven by ego and ideology
> > rather than
> > < money. That is important when understanding the tools being used,
> > and in
> > < looking at the range of possible resolutions. They are somewhat
> > different in
> > < the two cases.
> > <
> > < 73,
> > <
> > < Alan
> > < WA4SCA
> > <
> > <
> > <
> > <
> > < <-----Original Message-----
> > < <From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@?????.??? <mailto:
> > amsat-bb-bounces@?????.???> <mailto:amsat-bb- <mailto:amsat-bb->
> > <bounces@?????.??? <mailto:bounces@?????.???> > ] On Behalf Of john--- via
> > < <AMSAT-BB
> > < <Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 9:36 PM
> > < <To: amsat-bb@?????.??? <mailto:amsat-bb@?????.???> <mailto:
> > amsat-bb@?????.??? <mailto:amsat-bb@?????.???> >
> > < <Subject: [amsat-bb] My Ballot arrived - Now what? Something to
> > consider.
> > < <
> > < <One of my ham radio friends asked me a few weeks ago, "What is
> > going on
> > < <with AMSAT?" It's nothing short of an all out civil war. And it
is
> > < <nasty and it's tearing us apart.
> > < <
> > < <With so many posts and so many twists and turns, it is hard to
> > determine
> > < <the root cause of the War. You have to stand way back to have any
> > < <chance of finding out. If you take the time, the real issues
> > becomes
> > < <clear.
> > < <
> > < <The War on the amsat-bb seemed to subside a few days ago when
> > members
> > < <started talking about the ballots they were receiving in the
mail.
> > < <Maybe the thought was, if I just cast my vote, the problem will
> > go away.
> > < < Nothing could be farther from the truth. Patrick and Michelle
> > are not
> > < <on the ballot and they will still be on the Board after the
> > election is
> > < <over.
> > < <
> > < <My ballot and the candidate's statements arrived yesterday. And
> > so did
> > < <the oversize postcard sent out by 3 of the candidates. I read the
> > < <statements and have been reading the candidate's comments on
other
> > < <social media platforms. Some of the candidates talked about some
> > of
> > < <the War issues. Some said they would like to see regular Board
> > < <meetings. One candidate posted that he would cast the third vote
> > < <required to demand General Board meetings be held regularly!
> > That's
> > < <about as bold as it gets in the candidate's statements. The same
> > person
> > < <promised to do some other things as well if elected; some helpful
> > and
> > < <some not, in my opinion. But at least he said them..
> > < <
> > < <A while back, a member made a post about who he would vote for.
He
> > < <documented everyone's credentials, experience, past efforts with
> > AMSAT
> > < <along with comments about personal interactions, if any. Those
> > are good
> > < <things to consider. But what about the future? What issues does
> > the
> > < <candidate deem important and how does he or she plan to deal with
> > them?
> > < <
> > < <To me. the most important issue for AMSAT is to find a way to
> > bring our
> > < <Civil War to an end. And that would include negotiating an
> > agreement
> > < <with all parties that will restore civility and respect for all
> > members,
> > < <a culture that is open to all ideas regardless of who is
> > suggesting
> > < <them, as much transparency as the law permits along with fiscal
> > < <responsibility and accountability. For the past week I've
> > pondered how
> > < <to do this and came up with a plan that has a chance of working.
> > But
> > < <I'm not running for a Board position (and never will) so I will
> > defer to
> > < <the candidates to come up with their own ideas.
> > < <
> > < <I challenge each candidate to address the issue and detail a plan
> > to
> > < <deal with it. Forget the general statements. There are things
that
> > < <must happen for the War to end. And if someone with a high school
> > < <education and few accomplishments can do it, all of you should be
> > able
> > < <to solve this problem with ease. My vote will go to the
> > candidates with
> > < <the best plans. I urge others to wait a bit before casting their
> > votes.
> > < < Let's see what happens!
> > < <
> > < <73, John K8YSE
> > < <_______________________________________________
> > < <Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.??? <mailto:AMSAT-BB@?????.???> <mailto:
> > AMSAT-BB@?????.??? <mailto:AMSAT-BB@?????.???> > . AMSAT-NA
> > <makes this open forum available
> > < <to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> > Opinions
> > < expressed
> > < <are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
> > views of
> > < AMSAT-NA.
> > < <Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> > program!
> > < <Subscription settings:
> > https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> > <
> > < _______________________________________________
> > < Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.??? <mailto:AMSAT-BB@?????.???> <mailto:
> > AMSAT-BB@?????.??? <mailto:AMSAT-BB@?????.???> > . AMSAT-NA
> > <makes this open forum available
> > < to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> > Opinions
> > <expressed
> > < are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
> > views of AMSAT-NA.
> > < Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> > program!
> > < Subscription settings:
> > https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> > <
> > <
> > <--
> > <
> > <-Michelle W5NYV
> > <
> > <
> > <"Potestatem obscuri lateris nescis."
> > <
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.??? <mailto:AMSAT-BB@?????.???> . AMSAT-NA makes
> > this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> > expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> > AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> > --
> > -Michelle W5NYV
> > "Potestatem obscuri lateris nescis."
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> > expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> > AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 14:10:35 -0400
From: Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@????.???>
To: ans@?????.???? AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] ANS-204 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin -
AMSAT Partners with UMaine's Wise-Net Lab to Develop Maine's First
Small Satellite
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AMSAT NEWS SERVICE SPECIAL BULLETIN
ANS-204
The AMSAT News Service bulletins are a free, weekly news and infor-
mation service of AMSAT North America, The Radio Amateur Satellite
Corporation. ANS publishes news related to Amateur Radio in Space
including reports on the activities of a worldwide group of Amateur
Radio operators who share an active interest in designing, building,
launching and communicating through analog and digital Amateur Radio
satellites.
The news feed on http://www.amsat.org publishes news of Amateur
Radio in Space as soon as our volunteers can post it.
Please send any amateur satellite news or reports to:
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In this edition:
* AMSAT Partners with UMaine's WiSe-Net Lab to Develop Maine's First
Small Satellite
SB SAT @ AMSAT $ANS-204
ANS-204 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin
AMSAT News Service Bulletin 204.01
From AMSAT HQ KENSINGTON, MD.
DATE July 22, 2020
To All RADIO AMATEURS
BID: $ANS-204.01
AMSAT Partners with UMaine's WiSe-Net Lab to Develop Maine's First
Small Satellite
The University of Maine Wireless Sensing Laboratory (WiSe-Net Lab) and
AMSAT have signed an agreement to collaborate on building and
operating MESAT1, Maine?s first small satellite, to be launched in
space in the next three years.
MESAT1 is Maine's first CubeSat ? one of 18 small research satellites
selected by NASA to carry auxiliary payloads into space between 2021?
23. It is part of NASA?s CubeSat Launch Initiative that provides
opportunities for nanosatellite science and technology payloads built
by universities, schools and nonprofit organizations to ride share on
space launches.
UMaine?s WiSe-Net Lab, established in 2005, is involved in aerospace
and space research. The lab was founded by Ali Abedi, KB1VJV,
assistant vice president for research and director of the Center for
Undergraduate Research. Lab researchers have developed the first
wireless sensor network for NASA?s lunar habitation project and
launched wireless leak-detection to the International Space station.
The MESAT1 initiative will enable K?12 students and teachers in Maine
to access space data for educational and research purposes, and
encourage students to pursue STEM careers.
AMSAT will provide a Linear Transponder Module (LTM) along with
integration and operational support for MESAT1. AMSAT's LTM
incorporates a VHF/UHF telemetry beacon, command receiver, and linear
transponder. It will be available for radio amateurs worldwide to use
when the satellite is commissioned.
AMSAT President Clayton Coleman, W5PFG, celebrated the announcement.
"This is a great day for AMSAT and UMaine's Wise-Net Lab. This
partnership is a true win-win for both education and the amateur radio
community. The collaborative effort under AMSAT's engineering and
operations teams has once again succeeded to bring another opportunity
to AMSAT."
[ANS thanks AMSAT and UMaine's WiSe-Net Lab for the above
information]
In addition to regular membership, AMSAT offers membership in the
President's Club. Members of the President's Club, as sustaining
donors to AMSAT Project Funds, will be eligible to receive addi-
tional benefits. President's Club donations may be made at
https://tinyurl.com/ANS-PresClub.
Primary and secondary school students are eligible for membership
at one-half the standard yearly rate. Post-secondary school students
enrolled in at least half time status shall be eligible for the stu-
dent rate for a maximum of 6 post-secondary years in this status.
Join AMSAT today at https://launch.amsat.org/
73 and remember to help Keep Amateur Radio in Space,
This week's ANS Contributing Editor,
Paul Stoetzer, N8HM
n8hm at amsat dot org
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 11:17:14 -0700
From: Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???>
To: Joseph Armbruster <josepharmbruster@?????.???>
Cc: Alan <wa4sca@?????.???>, AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>, Alan
Biddle <APBIDDLE@???????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] My Ballot arrived - Now what? Something to
consider.
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Joseph,
What I posted on LinkedIn, where I know I have a following of hams, was the
election flyer I also put up at
http://perens.com/static/AMSAT/Election2020.html
Of course I also ran it on Twitter, QRZ, and others have reposted it to
additional venues.
This is election campaign material. It really boggles the mind that people
take exception to election campaign material posted in locations where
members who do not subscribe to the BB might read it. And you consider it
embarrassing.
I submit that this is authoritarian thinking. The very implication to
others that an incumbent is accused of running the organization improperly
must be kept within closed doors and never shown to others. We must
suppress the appearance of dissent and publicly support the authorities.
This follows what I said before about people taking opposition as evil,
unprofessional, etc. Campaigning is a basic part of democracy, and yes it
gets aggressive sometimes.
ORI is an AMSAT member organization which we created because we couldn't
get the work done at AMSAT. If it continues to be the case that we can't
get the work done at AMSAT, obviously we are not going to take that as a
direction to abandon the work. Carrying it out within ORI would be
necessary.
Thanks
Bruce
On Wed, Jul 22, 2020, 11:03 AM Joseph Armbruster <josepharmbruster@?????.???>
wrote:
> Bruce,
>
> I think your descent into mediocrity assessment is baseless and your
> statement:"We will work on the issue
> over at ORI, instead of AMSAT, and don't be surprised when we continue
> to get the participation and grants that were previously directed
> toward AMSAT." speaks absolute volumes. It actually gives credence to
> those that are saying some are coming into the organization to "take
> it over" amongst other things. It also shows a general lack of
> knowledge and understanding of all the things AMSAT has been up to and
> the time / work that it takes. It also tells everyone on the -bb
> about your loose commitment to the real success of AMSAT, when you're
> willing to just "go do it with someone else". That's not commitment,
> that's having one foot out the door. No doubt, this attitude is
> reflected in your choice of candidates.
>
> I (and I think many others on the -bb) are tired of vile blog posts
> and I am personally, not supportive of seeing LinkedIn posts badgering
> AMSAT publically... vs taking up issues as professionals within the
> organization. I am still dumbfounded by the stuff I saw posted on
> LinkedIn... It shows a general lack of professionalism and in my
> opinion is likely a symptom of larger, more-substantial interpersonal
> issues that people are bringing to the table, that likely are the
> root-cause of a lot of the "doesn't work well with people" stuff
> that's been stated on here.
>
> The term Loose Cannon comes to mind, or, bad apples spoil the bunch.
>
> I mean, if you really think the organization is that bad, do yourself
> a favor and leave it alone. Be the bigger person Bruce, take your
> team that has a proven track record and run with it. You can be this
> generations Elon of amateur radio in space! Why let AMSAT slow you
> down?
>
> The constant badgering and harassment of members and directors that
> actually have a track-record, is beyond me. What AMSAT needs is to
> maintain the people with a Proven Track Record Of Getting Things Done,
> not those with a documented track record of whining, complaining and
> making empty promises without substance.
>
> Hammond, Paige, Stoetzer, just got my vote.
>
> Joseph Armbruster
> KJ4JIO (renewed!)
>
>
> Joseph Armbruster
>
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 1:07 PM Bruce Perens via AMSAT-BB
> <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> >
> > One of my earlier forays into amateur radio policy was to found "No-Code
> > International" and lobby to get rid of the Morse Code test worldwide. We
> > appeared at many conferences and I even went to Iceland to lobby their
> IARU
> > vote, which was the same as that of the USA even though I had half of the
> > hams in the whole country in one room where I was speaking.
> >
> > During this period, I expected to be punched out or spat upon by angry
> > hams. But I was impressed with the civil behavior of hams. Although there
> > were complaints to ARRL directors that my table was even admitted to the
> > Division conference, I think only one person cursed me out. And he very
> > graciously made up after the decision was made.
> >
> > Certainly no one ever said it was a "hostile takeover". To treat an
> > election as that is truly ludicrous.
> >
> > If you like the descent into mediocrity that AMSAT has been on for a
> > decade, by all means vote for the incumbents. We will work on the issue
> > over at ORI, instead of AMSAT, and don't be surprised when we continue to
> > get the participation and grants that were previously directed toward
> AMSAT.
> >
> > But there is an alternative. If you want a way out of AMSAT's decline,
> > please vote for these candidates:
> >
> > Bob McGwier N4HY
> > Howie DeFelice AB2S
> > Jeff Johns WE4B
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 22, 2020, 7:58 AM Alan via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Michelle,
> > >
> > > > Describing me publicly as a ?target? that you want to bomb makes one
> of
> > > us look bad... and it isn?t me.
> > >
> > > You are probably one of only two people on this list who could possibly
> > > twist/spin/distort what I clearly meant into what you claim. Given the
> > > complete ludicrousness of that, I will just wish you a good and
> healthful
> > > day.
> > >
> > > 73,
> > >
> > > Alan
> > > WA4SCA
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Michelle Thompson [mailto:mountain.michelle@?????.????
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 9:22 AM
> > > To: APBIDDLE@???????.???? Alan <wa4sca@?????.???>
> > > Cc: amsat-bb@?????.???
> > > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] My Ballot arrived - Now what? Something to
> > > consider.
> > >
> > > Describing me publicly as a ?target? that you want to bomb makes one
> of us
> > > look bad... and it isn?t me.
> > >
> > > Violent responses to ordinary questions about financial oversight have
> > > been the pattern from the majority of the absentee board.
> > >
> > > There certainly was smoke. It lead to real fires. We put some of them
> out
> > > without anyone getting bothered.
> > >
> > > The voters are the fire department of last resort for a member
> society. If
> > > you are out there, we need your help.
> > >
> > > Fewer war-obsessed Directors would result in immediate improvement for
> > > everyone.
> > >
> > > Please vote for McGwier, DeFelice, and Johns.
> > >
> > > -mdt
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 05:19 Alan via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???
> > > <mailto:amsat-bb@?????.???> > wrote:
> > > Michelle,
> > >
> > > Thanks for confirming my hypothesis on your tactics and actual
> > > motivations. A lightning response consisting of a dense smokescreen,
> or
> > > perhaps heavy flack, means I am over the target. :)
> > >
> > > 73,
> > >
> > > Alan
> > > WA4SCA
> > >
> > >
> > > -------------------------------------
> > > You can fool some of the people all of the time,
> > > all of the people some of the time, and that is usually sufficient.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > <-----Original Message-----
> > > <From: Michelle Thompson [mailto:mountain.michelle@?????.??? <mailto:
> > > mountain.michelle@?????.???> ]
> > > <Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 6:07 AM
> > > <To: APBIDDLE@???????.??? <mailto:APBIDDLE@???????.???> ; Alan <
> > > wa4sca@?????.??? <mailto:wa4sca@?????.???> >
> > > <Cc: amsat-bb@?????.??? <mailto:amsat-bb@?????.???>
> > > <Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] My Ballot arrived - Now what? Something to
> > > consider.
> > > <
> > > <That is true.
> > > <
> > > <It?s a classic hostile takeover when the doors are locked against a
> > > minority of the Directors,
> > > <and when company assets are used for personal reasons.
> > > <
> > > <I add that secretly hiring lawyers to harass and obstruct elected
> leaders
> > > isn?t a hostile
> > > <takeover. It?s just plain hostile.
> > > <
> > > <Lying about it and trying to cover it up is offensive.
> > > <
> > > <Unlike other things that we do, this isn?t rocket science.
> > > <
> > > <A stagnant board majority that freaks out and refuses to meet is not
> an
> > > asset to the
> > > <corporation.
> > > <
> > > <Thanks to Alan for highlighting this aspect.
> > > <
> > > <-Michelle W5NYV
> > > <
> > > <On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 03:43 Alan via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???
> > > <mailto:amsat-bb@?????.???> <mailto:amsat- <mailto:amsat->
> > > <bb@?????.??? <mailto:bb@?????.???> > > wrote:
> > > <
> > > <
> > > < John,
> > > <
> > > < It is more accurate to think of it as an attempted hostile
> > > takeover rather
> > > < than a civil war, even though it is driven by ego and ideology
> > > rather than
> > > < money. That is important when understanding the tools being
> used,
> > > and in
> > > < looking at the range of possible resolutions. They are somewhat
> > > different in
> > > < the two cases.
> > > <
> > > < 73,
> > > <
> > > < Alan
> > > < WA4SCA
> > > <
> > > <
> > > <
> > > <
> > > < <-----Original Message-----
> > > < <From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@?????.??? <mailto:
> > > amsat-bb-bounces@?????.???> <mailto:amsat-bb- <mailto:amsat-bb->
> > > <bounces@?????.??? <mailto:bounces@?????.???> > ] On Behalf Of
> john--- via
> > > < <AMSAT-BB
> > > < <Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 9:36 PM
> > > < <To: amsat-bb@?????.??? <mailto:amsat-bb@?????.???> <mailto:
> > > amsat-bb@?????.??? <mailto:amsat-bb@?????.???> >
> > > < <Subject: [amsat-bb] My Ballot arrived - Now what? Something to
> > > consider.
> > > < <
> > > < <One of my ham radio friends asked me a few weeks ago, "What is
> > > going on
> > > < <with AMSAT?" It's nothing short of an all out civil war. And
> it is
> > > < <nasty and it's tearing us apart.
> > > < <
> > > < <With so many posts and so many twists and turns, it is hard to
> > > determine
> > > < <the root cause of the War. You have to stand way back to have
> any
> > > < <chance of finding out. If you take the time, the real issues
> > > becomes
> > > < <clear.
> > > < <
> > > < <The War on the amsat-bb seemed to subside a few days ago when
> > > members
> > > < <started talking about the ballots they were receiving in the
> mail.
> > > < <Maybe the thought was, if I just cast my vote, the problem
> will
> > > go away.
> > > < < Nothing could be farther from the truth. Patrick and Michelle
> > > are not
> > > < <on the ballot and they will still be on the Board after the
> > > election is
> > > < <over.
> > > < <
> > > < <My ballot and the candidate's statements arrived yesterday.
> And
> > > so did
> > > < <the oversize postcard sent out by 3 of the candidates. I read
> the
> > > < <statements and have been reading the candidate's comments on
> other
> > > < <social media platforms. Some of the candidates talked about
> some
> > > of
> > > < <the War issues. Some said they would like to see regular Board
> > > < <meetings. One candidate posted that he would cast the third
> vote
> > > < <required to demand General Board meetings be held regularly!
> > > That's
> > > < <about as bold as it gets in the candidate's statements. The
> same
> > > person
> > > < <promised to do some other things as well if elected; some
> helpful
> > > and
> > > < <some not, in my opinion. But at least he said them..
> > > < <
> > > < <A while back, a member made a post about who he would vote
> for. He
> > > < <documented everyone's credentials, experience, past efforts
> with
> > > AMSAT
> > > < <along with comments about personal interactions, if any. Those
> > > are good
> > > < <things to consider. But what about the future? What issues
> does
> > > the
> > > < <candidate deem important and how does he or she plan to deal
> with
> > > them?
> > > < <
> > > < <To me. the most important issue for AMSAT is to find a way to
> > > bring our
> > > < <Civil War to an end. And that would include negotiating an
> > > agreement
> > > < <with all parties that will restore civility and respect for
> all
> > > members,
> > > < <a culture that is open to all ideas regardless of who is
> > > suggesting
> > > < <them, as much transparency as the law permits along with
> fiscal
> > > < <responsibility and accountability. For the past week I've
> > > pondered how
> > > < <to do this and came up with a plan that has a chance of
> working.
> > > But
> > > < <I'm not running for a Board position (and never will) so I
> will
> > > defer to
> > > < <the candidates to come up with their own ideas.
> > > < <
> > > < <I challenge each candidate to address the issue and detail a
> plan
> > > to
> > > < <deal with it. Forget the general statements. There are things
> that
> > > < <must happen for the War to end. And if someone with a high
> school
> > > < <education and few accomplishments can do it, all of you
> should be
> > > able
> > > < <to solve this problem with ease. My vote will go to the
> > > candidates with
> > > < <the best plans. I urge others to wait a bit before casting
> their
> > > votes.
> > > < < Let's see what happens!
> > > < <
> > > < <73, John K8YSE
> > > < <_______________________________________________
> > > < <Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.??? <mailto:AMSAT-BB@?????.???>
> <mailto:
> > > AMSAT-BB@?????.??? <mailto:AMSAT-BB@?????.???> > . AMSAT-NA
> > > <makes this open forum available
> > > < <to all interested persons worldwide without requiring
> membership.
> > > Opinions
> > > < expressed
> > > < <are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the
> official
> > > views of
> > > < AMSAT-NA.
> > > < <Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur
> satellite
> > > program!
> > > < <Subscription settings:
> > > https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> > > <
> > > < _______________________________________________
> > > < Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.??? <mailto:AMSAT-BB@?????.???>
> <mailto:
> > > AMSAT-BB@?????.??? <mailto:AMSAT-BB@?????.???> > . AMSAT-NA
> > > <makes this open forum available
> > > < to all interested persons worldwide without requiring
> membership.
> > > Opinions
> > > <expressed
> > > < are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
> > > views of AMSAT-NA.
> > > < Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur
> satellite
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> > > <
> > > <
> > > <--
> > > <
> > > <-Michelle W5NYV
> > > <
> > > <
> > > <"Potestatem obscuri lateris nescis."
> > > <
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.??? <mailto:AMSAT-BB@?????.???> . AMSAT-NA
> makes
> > > this open forum available
> > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions
> > > expressed
> > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
> of
> > > AMSAT-NA.
> > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> > > --
> > > -Michelle W5NYV
> > > "Potestatem obscuri lateris nescis."
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions
> > > expressed
> > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
> of
> > > AMSAT-NA.
> > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
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> > >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
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