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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Modernized/Efficient Voting [was: Ballots?] (Ev Tupis)
2. Re: FM Satellite HT Night Proposal (Yono Adisoemarta)
3. Re: FM Satellite HT Night Proposal (Roy Dean)
4. Re: FM Satellite HT Night Proposal (Zach Metzinger)
5. Historical Data download for FOX-1A? (Bill Gaylord)
6. Re: Historical Data download for FOX-1A? (Jerry Buxton)
7. Re: Ballots? (Douglas B Tabor)
8. So CA ARISS member developes ISS device (Clint Bradford)
9. Easy and FUN Antenna Projects (Clint Bradford)
10. Re: HEO Junk? (Clint Bradford)
11. Re: Historical Data download for FOX-1A? (Bill Gaylord)
12. Re: Easy and FUN Antenna Projects (Roy Dean)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 00:38:35 +0000 (UTC)
From: Ev Tupis <w2ev@?????.???>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Modernized/Efficient Voting [was: Ballots?]
Message-ID: <536520061.7188966.1595723915153@????.?????.???>
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[Combining threads]
Hi Brennan,
Of course, the safest route it to do what has always been done.? You've done
an admirable job of assuring that this years elections process added no
unnecessary drama while still meeting the goal.? Bravo!
The comments on the list about the election process are not directed as
criticisms.? They are simply the "voice of the customer" with the hope that
those in charge can take that input and use the time between this year and
next year to reexamine "what has always been done" in a more modern light.
Kind regards,
Ev, W2EV
In a seperate thread, Brennan Price said...
Accounting for performance standards of international first class and
domestic presorted standard delivery, correctly addressed ballots will not
be considered lost in post until August 12.
Regarding the format of the election: the bylaws require a mailed ballot,
but not necessarily a mailed return. I would have liked to have provided an
electronic return option, but that would have incurred costs and
restrictions on candidate statement availability. These issues raised
concern among the board and officers across the perceived idealogical divide.?
Accordingly, this election is being conducted by post. Post not infrequently
involves waiting. That's why two months are allowed for the return time.?
Members' understanding of the finality of the timing and method of the
election is appreciated.?
73 de Brennan N4QX
On Saturday, July 25, 2020, 7:35:26 PM EDT, Burns Fisher via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
Just a note to say that I agree that a more modern election method would be
good.? Reading the bylaws, the dates for nominations, latest mailing of
ballots, and closing of voting is fixed. The secretary has some discretion
in conducting the election, but at least some changes may require a bylaws
amendment (depending on how you interpret "written" and "mailed").? That
can be done by two thirds of the board.
I also note that right now, the bylaws specify dates that give at least one
month between nomination and mailing, two months between latest mailing
date and latest return date.? It does seem to me that if we could
streamline and shorten the process it would be way better for all concerned.
73,
Burns WB1FJ
On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 6:36 PM Pete (Vk2pet) via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> Hi all.
>
> Unfortunately I think my vote will be missed. I still haven?t received my
> voting paper. It takes over a month for mail from the USA to reach
> Australia. Then to post it back it just as long.
>
> There needs to be a system where overseas members can vote & with out
> being hostage to the snail mail system.
>
> 73
>
> Pete
> Vk2pet
>
>
>
>
> > On 26 Jul 2020, at 04:46, Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?The wisdom of the crowd is coming into focus.? -Ev, W2EV
> >
> >
> > Doug Faunt N6TQS wrote:
> > Print, sign, scan, email should be an acceptable solution.
> > 73, Doug
> >
> >
> > Jean Marc Momple <jean.marc.momple@?????.???> worte:
> >
> > Therefore, I strongly suggest that electronic vote be put in place or at
> > least the ballots should be sent trough e-mail and scan sign copy of the
> > duly filled document be valid for far away members.
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 07:46:18 +0700
From: Yono Adisoemarta <yono_adisoemarta@?????.???>
To: Grant Hopper <kb7wsd@?????.???>
Cc: "amsat-bb@?????.???? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellite HT Night Proposal
Message-ID: <0809C4C0-19E7-4782-900B-5B81049C86A6@?????.???>
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Over here in Indonesia we put the ?HT only? note on the weekly IO-86
schedule as announced by LAPAN thru their fb/ig/twitter channel.
And reminders thru postings in various WhatsApp groups.
73 de Yono - YD0NXX
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jul 26, 2020, at 6:31 AM, Grant Hopper via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> ?Bruce, et al,
>
> I appreciate the thought you put into the challenges that the proposal's
> implementation would face as far as obtaining full compliance, but the
> logical mistake is to perceive this as an all-or-nothing situation,
> ie.either we achieve notification of all possible users, or we shouldn't
> implement the idea. I think we'd all agree that's not a reasonable
> standard. In fact, I'd suggest that a reasonable effort to put the word
> out is all that is necessary and appropriate.
>
> Just because communication of the policy would be difficult certainly does
> not equate to not implementing the policy. After all, we have all sorts of
> laws all around the world and we don't get perfect notification (or
> compliance) there either, but the laws are none the less implemented.
> Discretion in enforcement becomes part of that approach and solution.
>
> We certainly already do that... we have people trying out satellites for
> the first time on a regular basis and they certainly don't know the best
> practices or policies, not to mention the rules. In fact you cite these
> very things as happening today and that is exactly why it would be just
> fine to implement an idea like this. We wouldn't be facing anything new in
> terms of on-the-air occurrences. And just because we couldn't guarantee
> perfect outcomes 100% of the time is certainly no reason to reject the
> idea. The fact that we are able to add new ideas, practices, change rules,
> and do all sorts of other stuff on a regular basis and to do so without
> huge issues is the reason this idea SHOULD be implemented.
>
> This is a hobby that boasts of an extraordinary ability to not only
> communicate in an array of ways, but adaptability that few other pursuits
> can claim. I'm confident that we (as a hobby) could easily accommodate and
> adapt to working with an idea like Walter proposed.
>
> It certainly would encourage a lot more people to operate (for instance,
> one of the clubs I belong to has had in the last year, two presentations on
> operating satellites and during Q&A the following came up: the challenge of
> getting through when other stations are running more power and the sense of
> hopelessness caused people to set aside the gear and stop trying.)
>
> 73,
> Grant Hopper
> KB7WSD
>
>> On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 2:54 PM Bruce via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
>> wrote:
>>
>> This is a great idea. However, have you thought about how you would let
>> all satellite operators know? The amsat-bb only reaches so many. Twitter
>> and FaceBook reach some of the same but still not all the operators.
>> Then you have operators that are not members of AMSAT, the amsat-bb,
>> Twitter and FaceBook. If you heard them on the satellite that one day,
>> would you be telling them this day is for HT's only? They may not be
>> AMSAT members, they use an online tracking program and have no idea of
>> the new rules other than there is a satellite passing over and I am
>> going to work someone. Or, it was their only day off that week. What if
>> someone actually forgot that today is HT day and was operating with 500
>> watts (just saying, there are 1kw linears for VHF) from home which by
>> the way is a total waste of electricity and against the FCC rules. I
>> still have my 170 watt VHF and 100 watt UHF linears from AO-10/AO-13
>> days sitting on the shelf.
>>
>> You can see how this would be nearly impossible to notify everyone. A
>> good example is AMSAT Field Day. It is a 24 hour period. For some 10
>> years we do not allow contacts on FM satellites beyond 1 per satellite.
>> The reason is to allow space for those trying to make their ARRL
>> satellite bonus points enough time. You can still make all the contacts
>> you want on the FM satellites but we will only score 1 per satellite
>> towards AMSAT Field Day. As expected several reported multiple contacts
>> on an FM satellite and their score was adjusted. Field Day rules are
>> written up in the Journal, on the AMSAT website, in ANS and various
>> other locations. Yet, there are mistakes and they make multiple
>> contacts. Sometimes the extra contact is unavoidable. You work your
>> first contact and because your signal was so good, someone heard you and
>> calls you. Instead of leaving them in the dust, you answer their call
>> and give them their bonus points. You just cannot submit it for your
>> AMSAT Field Day score.
>>
>> This is the type of problem I think you would have if you were to try
>> and make one day an HT day. Being a great idea to have a low power day
>> it would be hard to let everyone know. Any suggestions on the
>> notification process?
>>
>> I think some of the frustration of new operators is not really having an
>> HT day, it would be the thinning of the crowds. Satellites have become
>> very popular in recent years and low cost HT's have made entry into
>> working them a lot easier. With any FM single channel repeater, when you
>> have two people trying to use it, it is a cake walk. When you have 100
>> operators across the country all trying to get in, there is still only
>> two that are going to make a contact. I have experienced the issue, I
>> roved with an HT and Arrow and I too had problems getting in. The
>> easiest contact for us in South Texas is when a satellite is ascending
>> from the South and we are one of the first in the states to be in the
>> window. Make a contact and done before the rest of the U.S. is in the
>> window. Same for those in the North when there is a descending pass.
>> Sometimes you have to make the satellite location work in your favor. It
>> also works when you are the last in the window towards LOS. Or, for left
>> and right coast only passes there is less of the U.S. in the window.
>> These are natural thinning of the operators due to the satellite's
>> position.
>>
>> 73...bruce
>>
>>> On 7/25/2020 3:43 PM, Doug Daniels via AMSAT-BB wrote:
>>> I am brand new to Satellites, and just made my first Q with my two HTs. I
>>> will never have the facilities to have anything more extensive than HTs
>> and
>>> a Arrow/Elk type antenna. This type of agreement would be incredibly
>>> beneficial to me and those like me.
>>>
>>> Great idea, thanks.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Doug, K1RDD
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 2:00 AM Walter Holmes via AMSAT-BB <
>>> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A little food for thought:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Any idea what the chances would be of having something like 1 night a
>> week
>>>> or month, on ONE of the FM birds, that could be reserved for HT access
>> only?
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> My thinking on this would be a great way for people to test out their
>>>> portable or limited satellite stations with a great deal less collisions
>>>> against all the other much stronger stations.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have heard from plenty of people that would like to try a temporary or
>>>> portable station on the birds, but we all know that?s not even a remote
>>>> possibility unless your on super early in the morning or late at night.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ie.. it would be great to see how many people could test and build
>> their
>>>> skills to operate with an HT and an arrow or something, kinda like the
>> old
>>>> days. ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just dreaming out-loud. ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Walter/K5WH
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Bruce Paige, KK5DO
>>
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expressed
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 21:06:35 -0400
From: Roy Dean <royldean@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellite HT Night Proposal
Message-ID:
<CADGPg2twEtb2UtrRCJAej0KdNaf_2-MHcFLrTP3Ugpj+9DXZ+Q@????.?????.???>
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>
> No doubt that AO-91 and AO-92 may not be the best choice due to the
> extreme popularity there, but perhaps AO-27 or SO-50 could be a good
> option. Or maybe even PO-101.
I would think that if AMSAT is setting the rules (or guidelines), then it
should be AMSAT that hosts the event. Therefore I would suggest that ONLY
AO-91 and AO-92 be considered. As for getting the word out, I think most
of us will listen to a control operator who states "HT use only until XX:XX
UTC" (along with a proper callsign ID, of course). There are always those
knuckleheads who try to make QSOs against the control operator's wishes,
but I'm sure "cancel culture" will take care of them..... (whether or not
it's justified is another topic of discussion).
Remember experimenter's wednesday? Maybe "experimenter's every-other
wednesday"....
--Roy
K3RLD
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 21:26:53 -0500
From: Zach Metzinger <zmetzing@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FM Satellite HT Night Proposal
Message-ID: <d6a9a6ad-6c5c-883e-f3ca-89e170376df8@?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
On 07/25/20 19:46, Yono Adisoemarta via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> Over here in Indonesia we put the ?HT only? note on the weekly IO-86
schedule as announced by LAPAN thru their fb/ig/twitter channel.
>
> And reminders thru postings in various WhatsApp groups.
It seems that we're relying more and more on Internet-driven
communications to schedule our satellite operations, rather than using
our amateur radio resources.
Shouldn't we be getting bulletins through the satellite itself, perhaps
on the telemetry channel? I recall this being done on a previous satellite.
Perhaps this is why we're losing spectrum allocations?
Food for thought.
--- Zach
N0ZGO
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 23:22:27 -0400
From: Bill Gaylord <chibill110@?????.???>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Historical Data download for FOX-1A?
Message-ID:
<CALS66Fvnfa9KatA09iwK5+fduCtrpLCjE7UNbCTXtO9Y=Ppv2g@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Is it possible to get some sort of download for the Historical Telemetry
downlinked by Fox-1A? It would be interesting to study its life in space.
73 KD9KCK
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 01:02:25 -0500
From: Jerry Buxton <n0jy@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Historical Data download for FOX-1A?
Message-ID: <27cacc59-b616-dee8-528d-19e4a7da4fe9@?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Bill,
You can download all of the data for any particular satellite with
FoxTelem, using the "fetch server data" menu item.
I would suggest setting up/switching to a separate FoxTelem data
directory for that so the info doesn't overwrite your own captured data
and can be left alone to play with.
Your analysis is of interest to engineering and many others I am sure,
once you have studied the data and come to some conclusions or
hypotheses you may want to consider presenting it in an AMSAT Journal
article.
Jerry Buxton, N?JY
On 7/25/2020 22:22, Bill Gaylord via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> Is it possible to get some sort of download for the Historical Telemetry
> downlinked by Fox-1A? It would be interesting to study its life in space.
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 17:32:40 -0600
From: Douglas B Tabor <dtabor52@??????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Ballots?
Message-ID: <58C57E9A-67EE-4CE1-A2CC-A5B9C26B6835@??????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Pony Express is slow out in the wild woolies of Wyoming. Have yet to see
a ballot in my mail. And the Wells-Fargo wagon has been by a couple of
times since I saw the first ballot received message on the BB.
73,
Doug, N6UA
Douglas Tabor
dtabor52@??????.???
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 09:23:16 -0700
From: Clint Bradford <clintbradford@???.???>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] So CA ARISS member developes ISS device
Message-ID: <A96816FF-6DB5-4754-BE05-8F187E98F67E@???.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
https://lamesacourier.com/space-radio/
<https://lamesacourier.com/space-radio/>
Clint Bradford K6LCS
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 09:38:40 -0700
From: Clint Bradford <clintbradford@???.???>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Easy and FUN Antenna Projects
Message-ID: <E3DCA24F-E28B-42C0-A7A3-673C46F29B0E@???.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Got an old umbrella in the front closet? Some barbed wire pieces behind the
shed?
Work the "easy" FM voice satellites with your HT and one of the antenna
projects
posted on the ANTENNAS page at ...
http://www.work-sat.com
Clint K6LCS
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 12:23:36 -0700
From: Clint Bradford <clintbradford@???.???>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] HEO Junk?
Message-ID: <7EFB4B46-AFE9-4847-8ED8-6CFDBBB7A6D3@???.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>> ? Dude, why assume it was junk???
Well, I never imagined being to see anything worthwhile HEO-wise
with the naked eye ? But you are correct: It sure could have been
something viable ?
Clint K6LCS
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 16:35:19 -0400
From: Bill Gaylord <chibill110@?????.???>
To: Jerry Buxton <n0jy@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Historical Data download for FOX-1A?
Message-ID:
<CALS66Fu-aBTKPcFbtqrBjygzHWKEuhRktWRzO8izBkZThuiFtw@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Is there a document on how the CSV files are formatted? (I can't seem to
find any information on what columns are what.)
KD9KCK
On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 2:07 AM Jerry Buxton via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> Bill,
>
> You can download all of the data for any particular satellite with
> FoxTelem, using the "fetch server data" menu item.
> I would suggest setting up/switching to a separate FoxTelem data
> directory for that so the info doesn't overwrite your own captured data
> and can be left alone to play with.
>
> Your analysis is of interest to engineering and many others I am sure,
> once you have studied the data and come to some conclusions or
> hypotheses you may want to consider presenting it in an AMSAT Journal
> article.
>
> Jerry Buxton, N?JY
>
> On 7/25/2020 22:22, Bill Gaylord via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> > Is it possible to get some sort of download for the Historical Telemetry
> > downlinked by Fox-1A? It would be interesting to study its life in space.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 17:13:12 -0400
From: Roy Dean <royldean@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Easy and FUN Antenna Projects
Message-ID:
<CADGPg2tknW319nKrXtn+A765H6tr1t52cbns-hnSiFHQOpNrkA@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Got an old umbrella in the front closet? Some barbed wire pieces behind
the shed?
>
> Work the "easy" FM voice satellites with your HT and one of the antenna
projects
> posted on the ANTENNAS page at ...
> http://www.work-sat.com
>
> Clint K6LCS
>
>
Clint, do you really need to spam the internet with advertisements for your
website?
https://forums.qrz.com/index.php?threads/easy-and-fun-antenna-projects-for-the
-satellites.717142/
https://forums.qrz.com/index.php?threads/easy-and-fun-antenna-projects-for-the
-fm-voice-satellites.717143/
https://www.eham.net/community/smf/index.php/topic,130404.0.html
https://www.eham.net/community/smf/index.php/topic,130405.0.html
--Roy
K3RLD
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