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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Who Let THIS Info Out? (Bruce Perens)
2. Re: Ballot received (christy hunter)
3. Re: Who Let THIS Info Out? (Michelle Thompson)
4. Re: Who Let THIS Info Out? (Steve Kristoff)
5. Re: Who Let THIS Info Out? (W3AB/GEO)
6. Who Let THIS Info Out? (Clayton Coleman W5PFG)
7. Re: Who Let THIS Info Out? (Jeff Johns)
8. Soaring Upward to HEO (Paul Stoetzer)
9. Re: Who Let THIS Info Out? (Joseph Armbruster)
10. Re: Who Let THIS Info Out? (Michelle Thompson)
11. Re: Who Let THIS Info Out? (Kevin)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2020 00:28:28 -0700
From: Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???>
To: Clint Bradford <clintbradford@???.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Who Let THIS Info Out?
Message-ID:
<CAK2MWOvngWaa0Kgq3g0fBLfJjc+GD9eUMDt96q14N59JhyuxsA@????.?????.???>
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And he shouldn't have had to. The rules were intended to allow all
candidates access to AMSAT's publications for campaigning, which has never
worked, and it's discriminatory because the incumbents get those
publications as their pulpit year-round. And a postal mail list is provided
to them because the rules were written in 1969.
On Mon, Aug 3, 2020, 10:31 PM Clint Bradford via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> I was not ?offended? not do I want to ?un-subscribe? from your email
> messages.
>
> I just though tit tedious to perform the work you did on this ?
>
> Clint K6LCS
>
>
>
> > On Aug 3, 2020, at 4:33 PM, Howie DeFelice <howied231@???????.???>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Clint,
> >
> > Since I am responsible for this, let me answer that question. ...
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2020 09:02:16 -0700
From: christy hunter <cchunter3@??????????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Ballot received
Message-ID: <2fc7ea4a-465f-62bf-79a4-5e9935937a42@??????????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
We got ours weeks ago, probably just dumb luck with the USPS...
or maybe it was because of? a lull during all that electronic crap being
ordered from China by? Ham radio operators in the USA,
oh wait, maybe that was just me.
73 Christy KB6LTY
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2020 17:41:10 -0600
> From: "H. Stephen Nipper" <stephennipper@?????.???>
> To: Wendy and Terry Osborne <wandtosborne@?????.???>
> Cc: "amsat-bb@?????.???? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Ballot received
> Message-ID:
> <CAPf7+3rjpuUikSjCq8z6eHZ9wsdw+BU8CBGFD14CO+txcyq-Eg@????.?????.???>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> I received mine on Friday, and after prayerfully reviewing the options,
> marked mine and sent it off on Monday.
>
> The post office isn't what it used to be, must be all that crap
> housewives
> across the USA are ordering from China.? Oh wait maybe that is just my
> wife.
>
> Stephen Nipper
> N7DJX
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 5:04 PM Wendy and Terry Osborne via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2020 12:24:36 -0700
From: Michelle Thompson <mountain.michelle@?????.???>
To: Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???>
Cc: Clint Bradford <clintbradford@???.???>, AMSAT BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Who Let THIS Info Out?
Message-ID:
<CACvjz2ViytnBHvk8pVMTJuKKBfZKthNjwWq9RisKaz-VqemgNw@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Honestly, it's been extremely hard to take advantage of the publications
and official procedures from the "inside".
Just speaking for myself, the minutes of the meetings that show what I've
done as an individual for the organization haven't been published because
they haven't been approved.
Because we never had another board meeting, there's no way the earlier
minutes can be published. They are frozen in time.
Meanwhile, Officers and the majority Directors congratulate themselves
publicly on all activity.
A very few people control all of the social media, website content, and
column content in the AMSAT Journal.
I moved (and it was approved) for a bylaws committee to fix the things that
Bruce is talking about. There are several election issues, with electronic
voting roadblocks being a big one.
A bylaws committee is a big deal. It was a priority for Clayton Coleman. He
and I talked about it on the phone twice. I committed to help, and I did. I
am disappointed at the lack of follow through. The bylaws committee has yet
to meet. They had plenty of time. The men selected for this job are
qualified and can deliver good results. We should have been able to have
this committee meet, have their recommendations incorporated into the
bylaws, and offer electronic voting by 2020. Unlike other things we do,
this is not rocket science.
I moved (and it was approved) for AMSAT to formally support the ARISS AREx
project. This was a very high priority item for AREx. There were three
levels of support. The first was a very simple expression of "official
support" of the project. Publicly stating that the project was good for
amateur radio and should happen. That happened due to this motion.
The regulatory work that I've done is completely invisible to the
membership at this point, primarily because detailed minutes for the
members cannot be published without regular board meetings.
Clayton appointed me to lead very important ITAR/EAR regulatory work. That
would have also been in the minutes that the membership is prevented from
seeing.
We have everything we need to fix several decades of painful regulatory
bullshit. We have highly competent consultants, a motivated and competent
volunteer lead, and people with the technical writing chops to produce a
great policy document. We can't even get a board meeting to review the
work.
Not having any board meetings for an entire year means these things stay
invisible.
If you vote for Paul, Bruce, or Mark, then you will get another year of
this exact same thing.
-Michelle W5NYV
On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 12:32 AM Bruce Perens via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> And he shouldn't have had to. The rules were intended to allow all
> candidates access to AMSAT's publications for campaigning, which has never
> worked, and it's discriminatory because the incumbents get those
> publications as their pulpit year-round. And a postal mail list is provided
> to them because the rules were written in 1969.
>
> On Mon, Aug 3, 2020, 10:31 PM Clint Bradford via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> > I was not ?offended? not do I want to ?un-subscribe? from your email
> > messages.
> >
> > I just though tit tedious to perform the work you did on this ?
> >
> > Clint K6LCS
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Aug 3, 2020, at 4:33 PM, Howie DeFelice <howied231@???????.???>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Clint,
> > >
> > > Since I am responsible for this, let me answer that question. ...
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions
> > expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> > AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
------------------------------
Message: 4
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2020 17:07:59 -0400
From: "Steve Kristoff" <skristof@???????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Who Let THIS Info Out?
Message-ID: <8f67c15bfe385661f7894793fb91f41e@???????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Electronic voting would be good. I still have not received a ballot by mail.
Steve Kristoff ?AI9IN
Oldenburg, Indiana
EM79ji
?
----- Original Message -----
From: Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB (amsat-bb@?????.????
Date: 08/04/20 15:27
To: Bruce Perens (bruce@??????.????
Cc: Clint Bradford (clintbradford@???.????? AMSAT BB (amsat-bb@?????.????
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Who Let THIS Info Out?
Honestly, it's been extremely hard to take advantage of the publications
and official procedures from the "inside".
Just speaking for myself, the minutes of the meetings that show what I've
done as an individual for the organization haven't been published because
they haven't been approved.
Because we never had another board meeting, there's no way the earlier
minutes can be published. They are frozen in time.
Meanwhile, Officers and the majority Directors congratulate themselves
publicly on all activity.
A very few people control all of the social media, website content, and
column content in the AMSAT Journal.
I moved (and it was approved) for a bylaws committee to fix the things that
Bruce is talking about. There are several election issues, with electronic
voting roadblocks being a big one.
------------------------------
Message: 5
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2020 14:14:02 -0700
From: W3AB/GEO <w3ab@?????.???>
To: Michelle Thompson <mountain.michelle@?????.???>
Cc: Clint Bradford <clintbradford@???.???>, AMSAT BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Who Let THIS Info Out?
Message-ID: <848b7d40-96dd-41e2-b3f2-ea07f48cf0ae@?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
If the ORG doesn't have at least one BOD per year with approved minutes that
are available to the GM, the ORG is in danger of losing its 501(c)(3) status.
Just saying......
?___
Sent from my two way wrist watch
73 de W3AB/GEO?
On Aug 4, 2020, 12:28, at 12:28, Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>Honestly, it's been extremely hard to take advantage of the
>publications
>and official procedures from the "inside".
>
>Just speaking for myself, the minutes of the meetings that show what
>I've
>done as an individual for the organization haven't been published
>because
>they haven't been approved.
>
>Because we never had another board meeting, there's no way the earlier
>minutes can be published. They are frozen in time.
>
>Meanwhile, Officers and the majority Directors congratulate themselves
>publicly on all activity.
>
>A very few people control all of the social media, website content, and
>column content in the AMSAT Journal.
>
>I moved (and it was approved) for a bylaws committee to fix the things
>that
>Bruce is talking about. There are several election issues, with
>electronic
>voting roadblocks being a big one.
>
>A bylaws committee is a big deal. It was a priority for Clayton
>Coleman. He
>and I talked about it on the phone twice. I committed to help, and I
>did. I
>am disappointed at the lack of follow through. The bylaws committee has
>yet
>to meet. They had plenty of time. The men selected for this job are
>qualified and can deliver good results. We should have been able to
>have
>this committee meet, have their recommendations incorporated into the
>bylaws, and offer electronic voting by 2020. Unlike other things we do,
>this is not rocket science.
>
>I moved (and it was approved) for AMSAT to formally support the ARISS
>AREx
>project. This was a very high priority item for AREx. There were three
>levels of support. The first was a very simple expression of "official
>support" of the project. Publicly stating that the project was good for
>amateur radio and should happen. That happened due to this motion.
>
>The regulatory work that I've done is completely invisible to the
>membership at this point, primarily because detailed minutes for the
>members cannot be published without regular board meetings.
>
>Clayton appointed me to lead very important ITAR/EAR regulatory work.
>That
>would have also been in the minutes that the membership is prevented
>from
>seeing.
>
>We have everything we need to fix several decades of painful regulatory
>bullshit. We have highly competent consultants, a motivated and
>competent
>volunteer lead, and people with the technical writing chops to produce
>a
>great policy document. We can't even get a board meeting to review the
>work.
>
>Not having any board meetings for an entire year means these things
>stay
>invisible.
>
>If you vote for Paul, Bruce, or Mark, then you will get another year of
>this exact same thing.
>
>-Michelle W5NYV
>
>
>
>
>On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 12:32 AM Bruce Perens via AMSAT-BB <
>amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
>> And he shouldn't have had to. The rules were intended to allow all
>> candidates access to AMSAT's publications for campaigning, which has
>never
>> worked, and it's discriminatory because the incumbents get those
>> publications as their pulpit year-round. And a postal mail list is
>provided
>> to them because the rules were written in 1969.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 3, 2020, 10:31 PM Clint Bradford via AMSAT-BB <
>> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>>
>> > I was not ?offended? not do I want to ?un-subscribe? from your
>email
>> > messages.
>> >
>> > I just though tit tedious to perform the work you did on this ?
>> >
>> > Clint K6LCS
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > On Aug 3, 2020, at 4:33 PM, Howie DeFelice
><howied231@???????.???>
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Hi Clint,
>> > >
>> > > Since I am responsible for this, let me answer that question. ...
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum
>available
>> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> Opinions
>> > expressed
>> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
>views of
>> > AMSAT-NA.
>> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>> program!
>> > Subscription settings:
>https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>Opinions
>> expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
>of
>> AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>program!
>> Subscription settings:
>https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>
>_______________________________________________
>Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>Opinions expressed
>are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
>of AMSAT-NA.
>Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>program!
>Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
------------------------------
Message: 6
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2020 16:30:45 -0500
From: "Clayton Coleman W5PFG" <clayton@?????.??>
To: <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Who Let THIS Info Out?
Message-ID: <003f01d66aa6$838bc920$8aa35b60$@?????.??>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
No Directors are being muted, censored, or censured. Directors, Officers,
and volunteers make statements about their work for the corporation on
social media, blogs, or the AMSAT-BB. With or without regard for diplomacy,
certain Directors have taken an approach to make their opinions public
before bringing items up for discussion via the internal Board of Directors
mailing list.
There is no majority or minority "party" at AMSAT. There are no political
parties defined by AMSAT. Continued claims about "incumbents" sounds very
divisive. All sitting Directors are incumbents.
AMSAT is about shared interest in amateur radio and space - not personal
interests, vengeance, and politics.
Directors should be aware of how minutes of the Corporation work. The
Secretary writes them, the Board approves them, and then they are made
public. As of August 4th, the Secretary has not provided any draft minutes
for meetings after February 4th.
The claim about not having any Board Meetings for an entire year is false.
AMSAT has held three Board of Directors meetings plus an informal working
session in 2020. There will be at least one more formal Board of Directors
meeting before the 2020 Directors election concludes. The bylaws clearly
state the mechanics of calling a Board of Directors meeting.
Historical Board of Directors meetings held per year: 2019 (2), 2018 (3),
2017 (4), 2016 (3)
Ref: https://www.amsat.org/minutes-of-the-board-of-directors/
I refuse to engage in endless disputes via this email list out of respect
for its members, AMSAT's mission, and my love for amateur radio. Despite
exaggerated claims to the contrary, the reality is AMSAT remains committed
to success with new and existing partners.
AMSAT succeeds as a team or fails as a team.
73
Clayton
W5PFG
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2020 17:15:15 -0500
From: Jeff Johns <jeff30339@?????.???>
To: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Who Let THIS Info Out?
Message-ID: <BD655DD9-60B8-4360-8949-8CA03FC5FD17@?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> Historical Board of Directors meetings held per year: 2019 (2), 2018 (3),
> 2017 (4), 2016 (3)
Thanks for showing that there needs to be change. How can AMSAT flourish
when you are only having 2-3 meetings a year. Technology changes more often
than that. This pattern illustrates that there is a need for more meetings
of Directors that direct Officers. The local school PTA meets more often
than this. Just because something happened a particular way in the past does
NOT mean it was correct or a good practice. AMSAT seriously needs new
guidance, thoughts and ideas. I have read where many members are frustrated
that there is a lack of leadership. This can be changed by voting for new
Directors and not re-electing incumbents who have been comfortable to have
just a couple of meetings a year and rubber stamps whatever business may
come before them. Members should consider that when casting a vote. If
members want to continue to coast, that is their right but the coasting is
downhill and eventually you can?t coast any further and the ride is over.
Jeff WE4B
http://we4bravo.com
------------------------------
Message: 8
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2020 19:01:57 -0400
From: Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@????.???>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Soaring Upward to HEO
Message-ID:
<CABzOSOq-bB0MXhnmPdx+8c+=5EzK_fHtkZyATUzRs9tLgBAd_A@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
The past five years rank with the best in AMSAT's history and we are poised
for much more success in the future. We have launched four satellites and a
fifth is complete and awaiting launch. We have partnered with university
groups to place amateur transponders on their satellites. We are on a path
back to HEO through our GOLF program with the first two satellites in this
series, GOLF-TEE and GOLF-1, selected for launch opportunities. We continue
to support amateur radio on human spaceflight through ARISS and AREx. Our
CubeSat Simulator project has been very successful in promoting AMSAT's
mission of educational outreach. Due to these successes, membership numbers
and revenue continue to increase after a long period of decline from the
late 1990s. After falling to around 3,000 members in the early part of last
decade, we are now up to about 4,000 members. Additionally, activity on the
amateur satellites has increased considerably over the past several years.
In addition to satellite projects, we have launched a new, modern
membership portal. Our members now have access to all issues of The AMSAT
Journal from 2014 to the present and all of the AMSAT Symposium Proceedings
since 1986 through this portal. More publications are coming soon. We have
also modernized and revitalized the field program with our new AMSAT
Ambassador program.
If you want us to continue on the journey Upward to HEO, vote for Dr. Mark
Hammond, N8MH, Bruce Paige, KK5DO, and myself.
73,
Paul, N8HM
upwardtoheo.coom
------------------------------
Message: 9
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2020 19:26:09 -0400
From: Joseph Armbruster <josepharmbruster@?????.???>
To: Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???>
Cc: Clint Bradford <clintbradford@???.???>, AMSAT BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Who Let THIS Info Out?
Message-ID:
<CADkz4c8kLNVPC9rqZgZ4VG9offWU2LZgPNy5xPQeV2wJrkFUtg@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
My goodness, the "infini-victims" strike again!
Joseph Armbruster
KJ4JIO
On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 3:32 AM Bruce Perens via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> And he shouldn't have had to. The rules were intended to allow all
> candidates access to AMSAT's publications for campaigning, which has never
> worked, and it's discriminatory because the incumbents get those
> publications as their pulpit year-round. And a postal mail list is provided
> to them because the rules were written in 1969.
>
> On Mon, Aug 3, 2020, 10:31 PM Clint Bradford via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> > I was not ?offended? not do I want to ?un-subscribe? from your email
> > messages.
> >
> > I just though tit tedious to perform the work you did on this ?
> >
> > Clint K6LCS
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Aug 3, 2020, at 4:33 PM, Howie DeFelice <howied231@???????.???>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Clint,
> > >
> > > Since I am responsible for this, let me answer that question. ...
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> > expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> > AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
------------------------------
Message: 10
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2020 16:42:39 -0700
From: Michelle Thompson <mountain.michelle@?????.???>
To: Jeff Johns <jeff30339@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Who Let THIS Info Out?
Message-ID:
<CACvjz2XEUW8rQ4ZYPieuvp5fNicuA4r2311Ke08JtRVa3SP70g@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
We've one meeting with reports and new business.
The others were extremely short "emergency" meetings. One, to nominate and
elect a new president after Joe Spier resigned. No new business
entertained. No reports. No minutes approved.
The other, solely to vote on the Covid loan. Multiple "reminders" that it
was limited to 15 minutes. No new business entertained. No reports. No
minutes approved.
It's not healthy to run a membership organization this way.
I have faith and optimism that it will get better with this election.
-Michelle W5NYV
On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 3:17 PM Jeff Johns via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
>
> > Historical Board of Directors meetings held per year: 2019 (2), 2018 (3),
> > 2017 (4), 2016 (3)
>
> Thanks for showing that there needs to be change. How can AMSAT flourish
> when you are only having 2-3 meetings a year. Technology changes more often
> than that. This pattern illustrates that there is a need for more meetings
> of Directors that direct Officers. The local school PTA meets more often
> than this. Just because something happened a particular way in the past
> does NOT mean it was correct or a good practice. AMSAT seriously needs new
> guidance, thoughts and ideas. I have read where many members are frustrated
> that there is a lack of leadership. This can be changed by voting for new
> Directors and not re-electing incumbents who have been comfortable to have
> just a couple of meetings a year and rubber stamps whatever business may
> come before them. Members should consider that when casting a vote. If
> members want to continue to coast, that is their right but the coasting is
> downhill and eventually you can?t coast any further and the ride is over.
>
> Jeff WE4B
> http://we4bravo.com
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
------------------------------
Message: 11
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2020 17:12:31 -0700
From: Kevin <wa7fwf@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Who Let THIS Info Out?
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Jeff,
??? Everything from your wannabe bod group is so negative, you can't
just let anything go or keep it to what you might want to accomplish,
every posting has to be disparaging to the current members and that is
wrong.
With this much negativity I wonder how much vacuum do you people pull.
I have been? happy with the way AMSAT has been run, and as for the
number of meetings, they only need to have enough to accomplish their
goals.
Nothing is worse than having meetings just to say you had one.
Kevin WA7FWF 19623
On 8/4/2020 3:15 PM, Jeff Johns via AMSAT-BB wrote:
>> Historical Board of Directors meetings held per year: 2019 (2), 2018 (3),
>> 2017 (4), 2016 (3)
> Thanks for showing that there needs to be change. How can AMSAT flourish
when you are only having 2-3 meetings a year. Technology changes more often
than that. This pattern illustrates that there is a need for more meetings
of Directors that direct Officers. The local school PTA meets more often
than this. Just because something happened a particular way in the past does
NOT mean it was correct or a good practice. AMSAT seriously needs new
guidance, thoughts and ideas. I have read where many members are frustrated
that there is a lack of leadership. This can be changed by voting for new
Directors and not re-electing incumbents who have been comfortable to have
just a couple of meetings a year and rubber stamps whatever business may
come before them. Members should consider that when casting a vote. If
members want to continue to coast, that is their right but the coasting is
downhill and eventually you can?t coast any further and the ride is over.
>
> Jeff WE4B
> http://we4bravo.com
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