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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Soaring Upward to HEO (Jeff Johns)
2. Re: Who Let THIS Info Out? (Jeff Moore)
3. Re: Who Let THIS Info Out? (Bruce Perens)
4. Re: Who Let THIS Info Out? (Fernando Ramirez)
5. Re: Soaring Upward to HEO (Jeff Davis)
6. Re: Soaring Upward to HEO (Joseph B. Fitzgerald)
7. Re: Soaring Upward to HEO (Joseph Armbruster)
8. Re: Soaring Upward to HEO (H. Stephen Nipper)
9. AO-92 in L/v at 03:24utc 5 Aug 2020 for 24 hrs (Mark Hammond)
10. Sat Show in Georgia (US) 8/15/2020 (Clint Bradford)
11. Re: Who Let THIS Info Out? (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2020 19:22:53 -0500
From: Jeff Johns <jeff30339@?????.???>
To: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Soaring Upward to HEO
Message-ID: <7D1FC4B4-9EEB-4E3C-A2E8-FE945FF13BF4@?????.???>
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> We have launched four satellites and a
> fifth is complete and awaiting launch.
AO92 ?seems? to be having some battery issues. The membership is still
waiting on a failure analysis for AO95. HO107 went SK not long after being
commissioned. Yes, I know, space is hard. Have we truly learned anything
from our failures?
> and revenue continue to increase after a long period of decline
If all is well, why did AMSAT take out a Government loan when many of us had
friends and family that lost businesses because they truly needed a loan and
couldn?t get one?
> In addition to satellite projects, we have launched a new, modern
> membership portal. Our members now have access to all issues of The AMSAT
> Journal from 2014 to the present and all of the AMSAT Symposium Proceedings
> since 1986 through this portal. More publications are coming soon.
Why did it take until 2020 to have this happen? People have been paying
other organizations online for decades, online payment processing isn?t
really cutting edge technology. I would never brag about being so far behind
the times as having, just now, allowed members to access their info and join
online. Also, it?s not really cutting edge to FTP docs onto a server and put
them in a environment that requires a password. Seems to me that if it takes
AMSAT until 2020 to have a ?membership portal? that it?s time for some new,
progressive leadership.
> If you want us to continue on the journey
I, personally, would prefer a journey of openness and transparency from
leadership. I would prefer that AMSAT Directors have monthly (more if
needed) meetings. I would prefer AMSAT leaders that won?t discriminate
against members because they aren?t part of a certain clique. I have heard
from so many members during this election cycle that feel the same way.
Do I have all the answers? Not at all. Am I willing to have an open mind,
listen to all members and be willing to devote an hour or two a month to
meet and collaborate to move the organization forward, yes I am. This has
NOT happened with legacy incumbents. Legacy incumbents have had their chance
to affect change and have not done so.
If members don?t want to continue on the status quo route and want openness
and transparency then they should vote for myself, Howie DeFelice AB2S and
Bob McGwier N4HY.
Jeff WE4B
http://we4bravo.com
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2020 17:26:49 -0700
From: Jeff Moore <tnetcenter@?????.???>
To: Amsat BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Who Let THIS Info Out?
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This appears to be the way that the AMSAT-NA bod currently operates --
they meet to show they had a meeting, then slip back into hiding! How is
that in any way healthy for ANY organization???
NO 501(c)3 organization can LEGALLY operate that way and THAT is what the
contention seems to be all about!
Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY
On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 5:15 PM Kevin via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> .....
> Nothing is worse than having meetings just to say you had one.
>
> Kevin WA7FWF 19623
>
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2020 17:45:11 -0700
From: Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???>
To: Jeff Moore <tnetcenter@?????.???>
Cc: Amsat BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Who Let THIS Info Out?
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Jeff,
Regardless of the outcome of the election, I think the time will come when
the tables are turned. We will be taking the high road when that happens.
But I personally will find it difficult to forget how these folks conducted
themselves.
Thanks
Bruce
On Tue, Aug 4, 2020, 5:35 PM Jeff Moore via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> This appears to be the way that the AMSAT-NA bod currently operates --
> they meet to show they had a meeting, then slip back into hiding! How is
> that in any way healthy for ANY organization???
>
> NO 501(c)3 organization can LEGALLY operate that way and THAT is what the
> contention seems to be all about!
>
> Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY
>
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 5:15 PM Kevin via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
> wrote:
>
> > .....
> > Nothing is worse than having meetings just to say you had one.
> >
> > Kevin WA7FWF 19623
> >
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
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> AMSAT-NA.
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2020 17:46:50 -0700
From: Fernando Ramirez <framirezferrer@?????.???>
To: Michelle Thompson <mountain.michelle@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Who Let THIS Info Out?
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Questions....
Michelle and Patrick, is there a need for an immediate meeting?
Jerry, Mark, Bruce, Drew, Tom, why don't any of you have joined two other
directors in calling for more meetings or an immediate one? I'm sure at
least two directors have items for the agenda.
Anyways, WE THE GENERAL MEMBERSHIP elected all of you to run the
organization! You decide to delegate your power to a group of officers (btw
some of you are part of that same group but that's a different discussion)
yet don't conduct regular business to supervise or discuss their work?
By the way it looks, seems like the BoD is working as a rubber stamp for
whatever the officers decide.
Fernando, KF7R
On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 4:45 PM Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> We've one meeting with reports and new business.
>
> The others were extremely short "emergency" meetings. One, to nominate and
> elect a new president after Joe Spier resigned. No new business
> entertained. No reports. No minutes approved.
>
> The other, solely to vote on the Covid loan. Multiple "reminders" that it
> was limited to 15 minutes. No new business entertained. No reports. No
> minutes approved.
>
> It's not healthy to run a membership organization this way.
>
> I have faith and optimism that it will get better with this election.
>
> -Michelle W5NYV
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 3:17 PM Jeff Johns via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???
> >
> wrote:
>
> >
> > > Historical Board of Directors meetings held per year: 2019 (2), 2018
> (3),
> > > 2017 (4), 2016 (3)
> >
> > Thanks for showing that there needs to be change. How can AMSAT flourish
> > when you are only having 2-3 meetings a year. Technology changes more
> often
> > than that. This pattern illustrates that there is a need for more
> meetings
> > of Directors that direct Officers. The local school PTA meets more often
> > than this. Just because something happened a particular way in the past
> > does NOT mean it was correct or a good practice. AMSAT seriously needs
> new
> > guidance, thoughts and ideas. I have read where many members are
> frustrated
> > that there is a lack of leadership. This can be changed by voting for new
> > Directors and not re-electing incumbents who have been comfortable to
> have
> > just a couple of meetings a year and rubber stamps whatever business may
> > come before them. Members should consider that when casting a vote. If
> > members want to continue to coast, that is their right but the coasting
> is
> > downhill and eventually you can?t coast any further and the ride is over.
> >
> > Jeff WE4B
> > http://we4bravo.com
> > _______________________________________________
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> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions
> > expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> > AMSAT-NA.
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> program!
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> >
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
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>
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2020 20:52:02 -0400
From: Jeff Davis <ke9v@???.???>
To: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Soaring Upward to HEO
Message-ID: <79F09867-2B72-4379-BF6F-2184A93BFFFC@???.???>
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This has to be one of the silliest arguments I?ve ever heard. It was a
prudent business decision to take the money being offered during
extraordinary times to keep the cash flowing. There was no doubt that the
virus impacted income with the cancellation of Hamvention, an annual event
where AMSAT has historically done pretty well signing up new members and
raising funds.
Hundreds of thousands of perfectly ?healthy" corporations took those loans
because it was a smart thing to do.
If you believe the few thousand dollars taken by AMSAT out of the hundreds
of billions of dollars of government loans made available across America
somehow kept your "friends and family" from getting their share of that pie
then you haven?t a clue how that program worked.
This is the weakest of many weak arguments for replacing the current BoD
after a good year of progress despite considerable headwinds from a couple
of new Board members and their allies.
Jeff, KE9V
> On Aug 4, 2020, at 8:22 PM, Jeff Johns via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
>
> If all is well, why did AMSAT take out a Government loan when many of us
had friends and family that lost businesses because they truly needed a loan
and couldn?t get one?
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2020 01:12:03 +0000
From: "Joseph B. Fitzgerald" <jfitzgerald@????.???.???>
To: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>, Jeff Johns <jeff30339@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Soaring Upward to HEO
Message-ID:
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>Why did it take until 2020 to have this happen? People have
>been paying other organizations online for decades, online
>payment processing isn?t really cutting edge technology.
Lets get our facts straight ... we have been joining and renewing on line
for many years.
de KM1P Joe
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2020 21:35:45 -0400
From: Joseph Armbruster <josepharmbruster@?????.???>
To: Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Soaring Upward to HEO
Message-ID:
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Paul (et al),
Thank you and the BOD members for all your hard work. Your professional
campaign speaks volumes and your dedication to *always making AMSAT a
success *is the way it ought to be for all board members.
I am not thanking those BOD members, candidates or supporters that thrive
off of constantly bashing AMSAT publically (the org, its members or
directors) and that appear to survive off of drama, complaints, stirring
the pot, promoting other organizations whose apparent aim is to compete
with AMSAT or that feel the need to post letters from a legal
wizard-of-smart to apparently intimidate and/or drain AMSAT of funds that
would otherwise be going to engineering activities. All of these things
appear to be hurting morale and tainting the organization, unnecessarily.
(oh, wait... I mean, Changing!).
The only thing i'm really not happy about is that AMSAT does not brag
enough about its accomplishments. Even during the ARISSat days, I remember
thinking to myself; all this is going on, so many people are working on all
this and most HAMs I know have no clue. I remember it being a logistics
nightmare amplified by the fact that it's a volunteer organization, but I
remember everyone having fun regardless. The first SSTV images I pulled
down from space were flipping amazing! That's something i'll never forget.
>From what i'm observing on the bb, it does not seem like most of the
membership is very informed on the technical level of effort involved or
the sheer number of hours it takes to accomplish many of the things that
you all do. My hats off to you and the team.
May the bigger nerds win,
Joseph Armbruster
KJ4JIO
On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 7:04 PM Paul Stoetzer via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> The past five years rank with the best in AMSAT's history and we are
poised
> for much more success in the future. We have launched four satellites and
a
> fifth is complete and awaiting launch. We have partnered with university
> groups to place amateur transponders on their satellites. We are on a path
> back to HEO through our GOLF program with the first two satellites in this
> series, GOLF-TEE and GOLF-1, selected for launch opportunities. We
continue
> to support amateur radio on human spaceflight through ARISS and AREx. Our
> CubeSat Simulator project has been very successful in promoting AMSAT's
> mission of educational outreach. Due to these successes, membership
numbers
> and revenue continue to increase after a long period of decline from the
> late 1990s. After falling to around 3,000 members in the early part of
last
> decade, we are now up to about 4,000 members. Additionally, activity on
the
> amateur satellites has increased considerably over the past several years.
>
> In addition to satellite projects, we have launched a new, modern
> membership portal. Our members now have access to all issues of The AMSAT
> Journal from 2014 to the present and all of the AMSAT Symposium
Proceedings
> since 1986 through this portal. More publications are coming soon. We have
> also modernized and revitalized the field program with our new AMSAT
> Ambassador program.
>
> If you want us to continue on the journey Upward to HEO, vote for Dr. Mark
> Hammond, N8MH, Bruce Paige, KK5DO, and myself.
>
> 73,
>
> Paul, N8HM
> upwardtoheo.coom
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
Opinions expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2020 19:34:03 -0600
From: "H. Stephen Nipper" <stephennipper@?????.???>
To: "Joseph B. Fitzgerald" <jfitzgerald@????.???.???>
Cc: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Soaring Upward to HEO
Message-ID:
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It comes down to saying something that is not the truth enough times and
people start believing it.
Stephen
N7DJX
On Tue, Aug 4, 2020, 7:13 PM Joseph B. Fitzgerald via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
>
> >Why did it take until 2020 to have this happen? People have
> >been paying other organizations online for decades, online
> >payment processing isn?t really cutting edge technology.
>
> Lets get our facts straight ... we have been joining and renewing on line
> for many years.
>
> de KM1P Joe
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2020 23:26:06 -0400
From: Mark Hammond <marklhammond@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-92 in L/v at 03:24utc 5 Aug 2020 for 24 hrs
Message-ID: <05d7bd4b-ab5c-af63-878d-f4ac114b48e1@?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
Happy L-band...good for 24 hrs unless it resets due to low batt/safe mode.
73,
--
Mark L. Hammond [N8MH]
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2020 21:41:32 -0700
From: Clint Bradford <clintbradford@???.???>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Sat Show in Georgia (US) 8/15/2020
Message-ID: <320C72B8-96E5-4BEF-843F-31287DFE7D03@???.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
ARRL instructor and AMSAT-NA Ambassador Clint Bradford, K6LCS,
will be presenting his "Working Amateur Satellites With Your HT?
session at the Saturday, August 15, 2020 meeting of the Team Radio
GA in southeast Georgia. The session will begin at 9AM Georgia time.
Team Radio GA (TRGA) is a growing ARES / EmComm group, whose
region covers the ARRL?s District 8 in Georgia. Led by Jerome Erickson
KK1JE, TRGA was featured in the July, 2020 issue of the ARRL Georgia
Section?s newsletter, ?Georgia on My Mind.?
The groups Jerome has organized focus on digital and emergency
communications. Refreshingly, Jerome told the newsletter editor, ?I
believe that the privilege to operate on the many frequencies we are
granted we should make an effort to give back to our communities
through radio communications.?
TRGA?s expanding Web site is ? http://trga.us/
Clint K6LCS has made it his mission in his amateur radio life to show
hams that they really can work a few FM voice satellites with equipment
they probably already own. To that end, he has given his presentation
more than 100 times to audiences who genuinely desire to expand their
ham experience - to clubs, conventions, and hamfests in North America
and Canada.
An attendee of Clint?s session at the club a couple years ago wrote:
"K6LCS gave a fantastic presentation on amateur satellites.
It was most informative and entertaining. Clint's passion
for the subject was evident, and I would imagine that the
club members individually and or in a group will be eager
to try satellite contacts in the near future.
?We will be using Zoom Video Communications to conduct our session,?
Clint advises. ?I would much rather be in a room, LIVE, with my audience,
but it?s cheaper with Zoom than air fare to Savannah's International Airport
? ?
Clint always welcomes questions before his presentations. Leave him a
voicemail at (909) 999-SATS or send email to: k6lcs@???????.????
Clint?s satellite support site - www.work-sat.com
If you are in the southeast region of TRGA, you will be notified of the
session?s Zoom meeting ID on TRGA's Web site. If you are not in the
region and would like to attend, please send email to k6lcs@???????.????
for the meeting ID.
/end/
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2020 05:30:10 +0000
From: "Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)" <amsat-bb@??????.???>
To: Fernando Ramirez <framirezferrer@?????.???>, AMSAT
<amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Who Let THIS Info Out?
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Fernando,
Thanks for asking. Yes, I have made calls for meetings, and there
should have been meetings since the last special meeting at the end of
March.
1. Discuss the thousands of dollars in unauthorized spending on legal
expenses since 2018 - a point that is not disputed in the letter AMSAT
President Clayton Coleman sent to members last month.
2. After Robert Bankston's financial report was released in mid-March,
I asked for a meeting to discuss the "cost-saving and budgetary control
measures" he started to implement. After many months, Robert has not
discussed these measures. Given the unauthorized spending, it appears
AMSAT is in dire need of budgetary control measures.
3. I had e-mailed Clayton Coleman and the Board on 13 June, calling for
a meeting to discuss the announcement of the formation of the new
ARISS-USA organization, and the effect that would have on AMSAT.
Clayton informed the Board on 16 June that he would gather his notes
regarding a discussion with Frank Bauer and ARISS-USA, and review them
with the Board. As of tonight, nothing from Clayton.
Michelle has also made calls for meetings. Yet none of the other 5
directors - including the two running for reelection this summer - have
joined our calls for meetings. Clayton could call meetings, but has
chosen not to. I would be more than happy to discuss these, and other
issues, during an on-the-record Board meeting where minutes are made
available to AMSAT members.
Thank you.
Patrick Stoddard, WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
Twitter: @?????? or http://twitter.com/WD9EWK
On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 12:49 AM Fernando Ramirez via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> Questions....
>
> Michelle and Patrick, is there a need for an immediate meeting?
>
> Jerry, Mark, Bruce, Drew, Tom, why don't any of you have joined two other
> directors in calling for more meetings or an immediate one? I'm sure at
> least two directors have items for the agenda.
>
> Anyways, WE THE GENERAL MEMBERSHIP elected all of you to run the
> organization! You decide to delegate your power to a group of officers (btw
> some of you are part of that same group but that's a different discussion)
> yet don't conduct regular business to supervise or discuss their work?
>
> By the way it looks, seems like the BoD is working as a rubber stamp for
> whatever the officers decide.
>
> Fernando, KF7R
>
>
>
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