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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Sat Show in Georgia (US) 8/15/2020 (Ted Krempa)
2. Re: Sat Show in Georgia (US) 8/15/2020 (Robert Bankston)
3. Re: Who Let THIS Info Out? (Joseph Armbruster)
4. Re: Who Let THIS Info Out? (John Brier)
5. Re: Sat Show in Georgia (US) 8/15/2020 (W3AB/GEO)
6. Election Timeline (Ev Tupis)
7. Re: XW-2D (Peter Goodhall (2M0SQL))
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2020 15:05:14 -0700
From: "Ted Krempa" <k7trkradio@???????.???>
To: "AMSAT BB" <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Sat Show in Georgia (US) 8/15/2020
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Just thinking out loud here: Which other AMSAT Ambassador puts out a 'press
release' about themself??
73, Ted
K7TRK
-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@?????.???? On Behalf Of Clint
Bradford via AMSAT-BB
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 9:42 PM
To: AMSAT BB
Subject: [amsat-bb] Sat Show in Georgia (US) 8/15/2020
ARRL instructor and AMSAT-NA Ambassador Clint Bradford, K6LCS,
will be presenting his "Working Amateur Satellites With Your HT?
session at the Saturday, August 15, 2020 meeting of the Team Radio
GA in southeast Georgia. The session will begin at 9AM Georgia time.
Team Radio GA (TRGA) is a growing ARES / EmComm group, whose
region covers the ARRL?s District 8 in Georgia. Led by Jerome Erickson
KK1JE, TRGA was featured in the July, 2020 issue of the ARRL Georgia
Section?s newsletter, ?Georgia on My Mind.?
The groups Jerome has organized focus on digital and emergency
communications. Refreshingly, Jerome told the newsletter editor, ?I
believe that the privilege to operate on the many frequencies we are
granted we should make an effort to give back to our communities
through radio communications.?
TRGA?s expanding Web site is ? http://trga.us/
Clint K6LCS has made it his mission in his amateur radio life to show
hams that they really can work a few FM voice satellites with equipment
they probably already own. To that end, he has given his presentation
more than 100 times to audiences who genuinely desire to expand their
ham experience - to clubs, conventions, and hamfests in North America
and Canada.
An attendee of Clint?s session at the club a couple years ago wrote:
"K6LCS gave a fantastic presentation on amateur satellites.
It was most informative and entertaining. Clint's passion
for the subject was evident, and I would imagine that the
club members individually and or in a group will be eager
to try satellite contacts in the near future.
?We will be using Zoom Video Communications to conduct our session,?
Clint advises. ?I would much rather be in a room, LIVE, with my audience,
but it?s cheaper with Zoom than air fare to Savannah's International Airport
? ?
Clint always welcomes questions before his presentations. Leave him a
voicemail at (909) 999-SATS or send email to: k6lcs@???????.????
Clint?s satellite support site - www.work-sat.com
If you are in the southeast region of TRGA, you will be notified of the
session?s Zoom meeting ID on TRGA's Web site. If you are not in the
region and would like to attend, please send email to k6lcs@???????.????
for the meeting ID.
/end/
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2020 01:48:45 +0000 (UTC)
From: Robert Bankston <ke4al@?????.???>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>, Ted Krempa <k7trkradio@???????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Sat Show in Georgia (US) 8/15/2020
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Ted,
Quite a few AMSAT Ambassadors publicize presentations, demonstrations, and
events.
They are donating their time to promote amateur radio in space.? We should
be inspired by their initiative and support them however we can.
Robert Bankston, KE4AL
Director, AMSAT Ambassadors
On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 08:41:30 PM CDT, Ted Krempa via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
Just thinking out loud here: Which other AMSAT Ambassador puts out a 'press
release' about themself??
73, Ted
K7TRK
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2020 22:19:03 -0400
From: Joseph Armbruster <josepharmbruster@?????.???>
To: Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???>
Cc: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>, Frank Bauer <ka3hdo@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Who Let THIS Info Out?
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John Brier is signed on to your campaign, per the reference link that I
provided... and, he's replying to me saying "well, Bruce shouldn't leave!"
to my response. That's all i'm saying...
I don't understand what could make a group of people so disgruntled against
the AMSAT BOD or just generally against the organization, volunteers,
membership, etc... Negativity at this level never brings results. I can
not understand why such a group would continue to be involved with the
organization. Your thoughts and opinions do not intersect well with what I
have observed in the past of the volunteers or members that i've known or
my understanding of the present organization. In addition, the
mis-characterizations of relationships and productivity is disheartening
and damaging.
Anyhow, for all of you bb-members who just say "aw, well, I just want to
discuss sats and no politics...."... understand that your vote will
directly affect how AMSAT coordinates, communicates, negotiates and
develops future satellite projects. It is a serious vote for the future of
the organization in many, many ways. It's a vote that should support the
engineers that put serious, difficult, hard work into many projects
to-date. I suggest that you all reach out to the existing BOD members, all
of them and talk to them individually. Read what they have written, talk
to the engineers, talk to the project leads, seek their opinions, etc...
ask who was writing software, designing hardware, working on schedules,
logistics, launch requirements, testing, etc... Who worked documentation,
etc... see who those people are and who they rely on and circle back to,
ask explicitly! Ask who they are voting for. Talk to previous board
members also, and ask about what the bottlenecks were, who were the
individuals getting stuff done. It's not hard, just do not read the
opinions of others on the -bb (myself included). Make an informed
decision, Skype, Zoom, jit.si, phone call, email, etc... whatever it
takes. Make a serious effort to reach out and determine what is in the
best interest of AMSAT. I know who is, in my opinion (Hammond, Paige,
Stoetzer) but everyone needs to resolve this individually.
73s & NM,
Joseph Armbruster
KJ4JIO
On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 8:06 PM Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???> wrote:
> Joseph,
>
> This is either ad-hominem or just incomprehensible. I know you are capable
> of presenting credible arguments. Please endeavor to do so.
>
> Thanks
>
> Bruce
>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 4:59 PM Joseph Armbruster <
> josepharmbruster@?????.???> wrote:
>
>> John,
>>
>> I can see it being unhelpful, if you signed on with the guy that i'm
>> asking to go away :-)
>> ref: https://perens.com/static/AMSAT/Election2020.html
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Joseph Armbruster
>> KJ4JIO
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 5:33 PM John Brier <johnbrier@?????.???> wrote:
>>
>>> "wish you would just stop, go away and maybe work harder at growing ORI"
>>>
>>> At this point it's clear there are big disagreements and issues that
>>> must be worked out so wishing or suggesting people just go away seems
>>> unhelpful. Might as well leave this point out as it just muddies the
>>> waters around any reasonable points you have.
>>>
>>> 73, John Brier KG4AKV
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 4:08 PM Joseph Armbruster via AMSAT-BB
>>> <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Bruce,
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > All your statements about AMSAT leadership are a false narrative that
>>> you
>>> > and your crew are constantly perpetuating to discredit the
>>> organization,
>>> > for the sake of securing like-minded individuals on the BOD. I can
>>> only
>>> > assume, with the intention of growing ORI? I mean, you did say they
>>> got
>>> > three amateur radio in space grants, right? Why weren't those pursued
>>> > through AMSAT? What you're doing to AMSAT on the bb publicly is quite
>>> > sad, though no doubt, coordinated and with intent. There are many of
>>> us
>>> > members (some vocal, many not) that really wish you would just stop, go
>>> > away and maybe work harder at growing ORI. This action would directly
>>> help
>>> > preserve AMSATs integrity and give you a path to direct your effort and
>>> > energy more productively. Think of the problems you could solve if you
>>> > were just not being held back..? I know engineers personally that
>>> helped
>>> > developed that power supply for ARISS and they are really sharp,
>>> *involved
>>> > AMSAT members* that from my own observation have invested countless
>>> years
>>> > of their lives building kit for AMSAT. I saw it and it's some amazing,
>>> > amazing, amazing hardware. I speak per my observations of these
>>> > individuals, not for them. Every volunteer organization gains and
>>> looses
>>> > members, all the time, depending on what's going on in their life,
>>> state of
>>> > the economy, etc...that's not surprising nor necessarily a reflection
>>> of
>>> > the work taking place within the organization, or its leadership.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Joseph Armbruster
>>> >
>>> > KJ4JIO
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 3:07 PM Bruce Perens via AMSAT-BB <
>>> amsat-bb@?????.???>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > It is entirely not in ARISS-USA's and AREx's interest to involve
>>> themselves
>>> > > publicly in AMSAT politics, or indeed that of almost any other
>>> > > organization. While I was curious about the "why now" and "was it an
>>> AMSAT
>>> > > issue", it is potentially damaging to ARISS-USA and AREx to pursue
>>> that,
>>> > > and I respect Frank's request that we stop, which he first made
>>> several
>>> > > weeks ago.
>>> > >
>>> > > In contrast, my perception is that AMSAT leadership is pursuing a
>>> course
>>> > > that has so damaged its relationship with many previously-active
>>> > > volunteers, at least one major donor, and a good portion of the
>>> membership
>>> > > and non-member hams; that public intervention is necessary - and
>>> > > appropriate within the context of an election.
>>> > >
>>> > > Thanks
>>> > >
>>> > > Bruce
>>> > >
>>> > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 11:42 AM Fernando Ramirez via AMSAT-BB <
>>> > > amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > > I understand Frank's concerns and agree that these matters must be
>>> > > handled
>>> > > > very carefully.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > For that same reason I think two separate legally established
>>> entities
>>> > > must
>>> > > > discuss their current partnership beyond of a press release.
>>> Probably
>>> > > > both AMSAT
>>> > > > and ARISS USA need to draft and approve a Memorandum of
>>> Understanding
>>> > > > establishing, in writing, how are things going to work from now on.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Like we say in good ol' Castilian "well defined business safeguard
>>> > > > friendships)
>>> > > >
>>> > > > 73
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Fernando KF7R
>>> > > >
>>> > > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2020, 11:13 AM Michelle Thompson <
>>> > > > mountain.michelle@?????.???>
>>> > > > wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > > Frank sums up the problems very well.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > An organization with unaddressed unauthorized spending could lose
>>> > > > > opportunities in space. Refusing to even meet to talk about this
>>> and
>>> > > > other
>>> > > > > problems has put the organization at risk. That is what has
>>> happened.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > We can't collaborate when we are denied meetings.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > We can't have teamwork without collaboration.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > I am optimistic things can and will improve.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > -Michelle W5NYV
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 3:36 AM Frank Bauer via AMSAT-BB <
>>> > > > > amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >> >>3. I had e-mailed Clayton Coleman and the Board on 13 June,
>>> calling
>>> > > > for
>>> > > > >> a meeting to discuss the announcement of the formation of the
>>> new
>>> > > > ARISS-USA
>>> > > > >> organization, and the effect that would have on AMSAT.
>>> > > > >>
>>> > > > >> I would like to respectfully request for folks to stop trying
>>> to drag
>>> > > > >> ARISS and the new AREx initiative into this political battle.
>>> > > > >>
>>> > > > >> In previous posts, Dave Taylor, W8AAS, the AMSAT delegate to
>>> ARISS,
>>> > > and
>>> > > > I
>>> > > > >> have stated that ARISS-USA became an entity to allow ARISS to
>>> sign
>>> > > > >> agreements (with NASA and others) and seek grants in the ARISS
>>> name.
>>> > > In
>>> > > > >> the past, AMSAT has done that in the US on behalf of ARISS. The
>>> > > > functional
>>> > > > >> change is that ARISS is assuming for itself some of the tasks
>>> that
>>> > > > AMSAT
>>> > > > >> has donated support to accomplish. (and we thank AMSAT for this
>>> > > donated
>>> > > > >> support!) The good working relationship that ARISS has had
>>> with AMSAT
>>> > > > over
>>> > > > >> the years is NOT changing. For more information, read the press
>>> > > > release on
>>> > > > >> the new ARISS-USA entity on the ARISS web site www.ariss.org
>>> (6th
>>> > > > >> article down).
>>> > > > >>
>>> > > > >> One item I will remind all of you: Getting into space is HARD.
>>> > > > >> Collaboration and teamwork are essential elements of space
>>> mission
>>> > > > >> success. Infighting and back biting are a recipe for disaster
>>> in
>>> > > > >> organizations and especially in space. If you all continue
>>> these
>>> > > > >> behaviors, you will lose your opportunities to fly your space
>>> missions
>>> > > > of
>>> > > > >> the future. Space agencies and space corporations only want to
>>> work
>>> > > > with
>>> > > > >> folks that are dedicated to mission success. I ask all to get
>>> over
>>> > > your
>>> > > > >> grievances and start working as a team as I would hate to see
>>> AMSAT
>>> > > lose
>>> > > > >> space opportunities and space relationships that have taken
>>> decades to
>>> > > > >> build.
>>> > > > >>
>>> > > > >> 73, Frank Bauer, KA3HDO
>>> > > > >> ARISS-USA Executive Director
>>> > > > >> AMSAT-NA V.P. for Human Spaceflight Programs
>>> > > > >>
>>> > > > >>
>>> > > > >> -----Original Message-----
>>> > > > >> From: Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK) <amsat-bb@??????.???>
>>> > > > >> Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 1:30 AM
>>> > > > >> To: Fernando Ramirez <framirezferrer@?????.???>; AMSAT <
>>> > > > >> amsat-bb@?????.???>
>>> > > > >> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Who Let THIS Info Out?
>>> > > > >>
>>> > > > >> Fernando,
>>> > > > >>
>>> > > > >> Thanks for asking. Yes, I have made calls for meetings, and
>>> there
>>> > > should
>>> > > > >> have been meetings since the last special meeting at the end of
>>> March.
>>> > > > >>
>>> > > > >> 1. Discuss the thousands of dollars in unauthorized spending on
>>> legal
>>> > > > >> expenses since 2018 - a point that is not disputed in the
>>> letter AMSAT
>>> > > > >> President Clayton Coleman sent to members last month.
>>> > > > >>
>>> > > > >> 2. After Robert Bankston's financial report was released in
>>> > > mid-March, I
>>> > > > >> asked for a meeting to discuss the "cost-saving and budgetary
>>> control
>>> > > > >> measures" he started to implement. After many months, Robert
>>> has not
>>> > > > >> discussed these measures. Given the unauthorized spending, it
>>> appears
>>> > > > AMSAT
>>> > > > >> is in dire need of budgetary control measures.
>>> > > > >>
>>> > > > >> 3. I had e-mailed Clayton Coleman and the Board on 13 June,
>>> calling
>>> > > for
>>> > > > a
>>> > > > >> meeting to discuss the announcement of the formation of the new
>>> > > > ARISS-USA
>>> > > > >> organization, and the effect that would have on AMSAT.
>>> > > > >> Clayton informed the Board on 16 June that he would gather his
>>> notes
>>> > > > >> regarding a discussion with Frank Bauer and ARISS-USA, and
>>> review them
>>> > > > with
>>> > > > >> the Board. As of tonight, nothing from Clayton.
>>> > > > >>
>>> > > > >> Michelle has also made calls for meetings. Yet none of the
>>> other 5
>>> > > > >> directors - including the two running for reelection this
>>> summer -
>>> > > have
>>> > > > >> joined our calls for meetings. Clayton could call meetings, but
>>> has
>>> > > > chosen
>>> > > > >> not to. I would be more than happy to discuss these, and other
>>> issues,
>>> > > > >> during an on-the-record Board meeting where minutes are made
>>> available
>>> > > > to
>>> > > > >> AMSAT members.
>>> > > > >>
>>> > > > >> Thank you.
>>> > > > >>
>>> > > > >> Patrick Stoddard, WD9EWK/VA7EWK
>>> > > > >> http://www.wd9ewk.net/
>>> > > > >> Twitter: @?????? or http://twitter.com/WD9EWK
>>> > > > >>
>>> > > > >>
>>> > > > >> _______________________________________________
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>>> > > > >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring
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>>> > > > >> Opinions expressed
>>> > > > >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
>>> views
>>> > > of
>>> > > > >> AMSAT-NA.
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>>> > > > >>
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > _______________________________________________
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>>> available
>>> > > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>>> > > Opinions
>>> > > > expressed
>>> > > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
>>> views of
>>> > > > AMSAT-NA.
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>>> > > program!
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>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > --
>>> > > Bruce Perens - CEO at stealth startup. I'll tell you what it is
>>> eventually
>>> > > :-)
>>> > > _______________________________________________
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>>> available
>>> > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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>>> > >
>>> > _______________________________________________
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>>> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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>>> of AMSAT-NA.
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>>> program!
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>>>
>>
>
> --
> Bruce Perens - CEO at stealth startup. I'll tell you what it is eventually
> :-)
>
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2020 22:55:35 -0400
From: John Brier <johnbrier@?????.???>
To: Joseph Armbruster <josepharmbruster@?????.???>
Cc: Frank Bauer <ka3hdo@?????.???>, AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Who Let THIS Info Out?
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Well you kind of answered your own question. You don't understand why a
group would be so disgruntled yet continue to be involved. Either they are
all trolls or they care and want to change things in a way they truly
believe is better. I don't doubt the incumbents have positive intentions
and mean no harm... Mostly they do positive things, but they have done a
few things I disagree with. You seem to be refusing to see why anyone could
feel that way. Until then I guess it makes sense to just want it to go away.
As for your second paragraph, of course if you ask all the people who have
been in charge for the last several years who did the things that got done,
they will all point at each other. That is not the point. The point is,
some people want to do new/different things that they haven't gotten an
adequate chance to do.
73, John Brier KG4AKV
On Wed, Aug 5, 2020, 22:17 Joseph Armbruster <josepharmbruster@?????.???>
wrote:
>
> John Brier is signed on to your campaign, per the reference link that I
> provided... and, he's replying to me saying "well, Bruce shouldn't leave!"
> to my response. That's all i'm saying...
>
>
> I don't understand what could make a group of people so disgruntled
> against the AMSAT BOD or just generally against the organization,
> volunteers, membership, etc... Negativity at this level never brings
> results. I can not understand why such a group would continue to be
> involved with the organization. Your thoughts and opinions do not
> intersect well with what I have observed in the past of the volunteers or
> members that i've known or my understanding of the present organization.
> In addition, the mis-characterizations of relationships and productivity is
> disheartening and damaging.
>
>
> Anyhow, for all of you bb-members who just say "aw, well, I just want to
> discuss sats and no politics...."... understand that your vote will
> directly affect how AMSAT coordinates, communicates, negotiates and
> develops future satellite projects. It is a serious vote for the future of
> the organization in many, many ways. It's a vote that should support the
> engineers that put serious, difficult, hard work into many projects
> to-date. I suggest that you all reach out to the existing BOD members, all
> of them and talk to them individually. Read what they have written, talk
> to the engineers, talk to the project leads, seek their opinions, etc...
> ask who was writing software, designing hardware, working on schedules,
> logistics, launch requirements, testing, etc... Who worked documentation,
> etc... see who those people are and who they rely on and circle back to,
> ask explicitly! Ask who they are voting for. Talk to previous board
> members also, and ask about what the bottlenecks were, who were the
> individuals getting stuff done. It's not hard, just do not read the
> opinions of others on the -bb (myself included). Make an informed
> decision, Skype, Zoom, jit.si, phone call, email, etc... whatever it
> takes. Make a serious effort to reach out and determine what is in the
> best interest of AMSAT. I know who is, in my opinion (Hammond, Paige,
> Stoetzer) but everyone needs to resolve this individually.
>
>
> 73s & NM,
>
> Joseph Armbruster
>
> KJ4JIO
>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 8:06 PM Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???> wrote:
>
>> Joseph,
>>
>> This is either ad-hominem or just incomprehensible. I know you are
>> capable of presenting credible arguments. Please endeavor to do so.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 4:59 PM Joseph Armbruster <
>> josepharmbruster@?????.???> wrote:
>>
>>> John,
>>>
>>> I can see it being unhelpful, if you signed on with the guy that i'm
>>> asking to go away :-)
>>> ref: https://perens.com/static/AMSAT/Election2020.html
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Joseph Armbruster
>>> KJ4JIO
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 5:33 PM John Brier <johnbrier@?????.???> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "wish you would just stop, go away and maybe work harder at growing ORI"
>>>>
>>>> At this point it's clear there are big disagreements and issues that
>>>> must be worked out so wishing or suggesting people just go away seems
>>>> unhelpful. Might as well leave this point out as it just muddies the
>>>> waters around any reasonable points you have.
>>>>
>>>> 73, John Brier KG4AKV
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 4:08 PM Joseph Armbruster via AMSAT-BB
>>>> <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Bruce,
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > All your statements about AMSAT leadership are a false narrative that
>>>> you
>>>> > and your crew are constantly perpetuating to discredit the
>>>> organization,
>>>> > for the sake of securing like-minded individuals on the BOD. I can
>>>> only
>>>> > assume, with the intention of growing ORI? I mean, you did say they
>>>> got
>>>> > three amateur radio in space grants, right? Why weren't those pursued
>>>> > through AMSAT? What you're doing to AMSAT on the bb publicly is quite
>>>> > sad, though no doubt, coordinated and with intent. There are many of
>>>> us
>>>> > members (some vocal, many not) that really wish you would just stop,
>>>> go
>>>> > away and maybe work harder at growing ORI. This action would
>>>> directly help
>>>> > preserve AMSATs integrity and give you a path to direct your effort
>>>> and
>>>> > energy more productively. Think of the problems you could solve if
>>>> you
>>>> > were just not being held back..? I know engineers personally that
>>>> helped
>>>> > developed that power supply for ARISS and they are really sharp,
>>>> *involved
>>>> > AMSAT members* that from my own observation have invested countless
>>>> years
>>>> > of their lives building kit for AMSAT. I saw it and it's some
>>>> amazing,
>>>> > amazing, amazing hardware. I speak per my observations of these
>>>> > individuals, not for them. Every volunteer organization gains and
>>>> looses
>>>> > members, all the time, depending on what's going on in their life,
>>>> state of
>>>> > the economy, etc...that's not surprising nor necessarily a reflection
>>>> of
>>>> > the work taking place within the organization, or its leadership.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Joseph Armbruster
>>>> >
>>>> > KJ4JIO
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 3:07 PM Bruce Perens via AMSAT-BB <
>>>> amsat-bb@?????.???>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > > It is entirely not in ARISS-USA's and AREx's interest to involve
>>>> themselves
>>>> > > publicly in AMSAT politics, or indeed that of almost any other
>>>> > > organization. While I was curious about the "why now" and "was it
>>>> an AMSAT
>>>> > > issue", it is potentially damaging to ARISS-USA and AREx to pursue
>>>> that,
>>>> > > and I respect Frank's request that we stop, which he first made
>>>> several
>>>> > > weeks ago.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > In contrast, my perception is that AMSAT leadership is pursuing a
>>>> course
>>>> > > that has so damaged its relationship with many previously-active
>>>> > > volunteers, at least one major donor, and a good portion of the
>>>> membership
>>>> > > and non-member hams; that public intervention is necessary - and
>>>> > > appropriate within the context of an election.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Thanks
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Bruce
>>>> > >
>>>> > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 11:42 AM Fernando Ramirez via AMSAT-BB <
>>>> > > amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > > I understand Frank's concerns and agree that these matters must be
>>>> > > handled
>>>> > > > very carefully.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > For that same reason I think two separate legally established
>>>> entities
>>>> > > must
>>>> > > > discuss their current partnership beyond of a press release.
>>>> Probably
>>>> > > > both AMSAT
>>>> > > > and ARISS USA need to draft and approve a Memorandum of
>>>> Understanding
>>>> > > > establishing, in writing, how are things going to work from now
>>>> on.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Like we say in good ol' Castilian "well defined business safeguard
>>>> > > > friendships)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 73
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Fernando KF7R
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2020, 11:13 AM Michelle Thompson <
>>>> > > > mountain.michelle@?????.???>
>>>> > > > wrote:
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > > Frank sums up the problems very well.
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > An organization with unaddressed unauthorized spending could
>>>> lose
>>>> > > > > opportunities in space. Refusing to even meet to talk about
>>>> this and
>>>> > > > other
>>>> > > > > problems has put the organization at risk. That is what has
>>>> happened.
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > We can't collaborate when we are denied meetings.
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > We can't have teamwork without collaboration.
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > I am optimistic things can and will improve.
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > -Michelle W5NYV
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 3:36 AM Frank Bauer via AMSAT-BB <
>>>> > > > > amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > >> >>3. I had e-mailed Clayton Coleman and the Board on 13 June,
>>>> calling
>>>> > > > for
>>>> > > > >> a meeting to discuss the announcement of the formation of the
>>>> new
>>>> > > > ARISS-USA
>>>> > > > >> organization, and the effect that would have on AMSAT.
>>>> > > > >>
>>>> > > > >> I would like to respectfully request for folks to stop trying
>>>> to drag
>>>> > > > >> ARISS and the new AREx initiative into this political battle.
>>>> > > > >>
>>>> > > > >> In previous posts, Dave Taylor, W8AAS, the AMSAT delegate to
>>>> ARISS,
>>>> > > and
>>>> > > > I
>>>> > > > >> have stated that ARISS-USA became an entity to allow ARISS to
>>>> sign
>>>> > > > >> agreements (with NASA and others) and seek grants in the ARISS
>>>> name.
>>>> > > In
>>>> > > > >> the past, AMSAT has done that in the US on behalf of ARISS.
>>>> The
>>>> > > > functional
>>>> > > > >> change is that ARISS is assuming for itself some of the tasks
>>>> that
>>>> > > > AMSAT
>>>> > > > >> has donated support to accomplish. (and we thank AMSAT for this
>>>> > > donated
>>>> > > > >> support!) The good working relationship that ARISS has had
>>>> with AMSAT
>>>> > > > over
>>>> > > > >> the years is NOT changing. For more information, read the
>>>> press
>>>> > > > release on
>>>> > > > >> the new ARISS-USA entity on the ARISS web site www.ariss.org
>>>> (6th
>>>> > > > >> article down).
>>>> > > > >>
>>>> > > > >> One item I will remind all of you: Getting into space is HARD.
>>>> > > > >> Collaboration and teamwork are essential elements of space
>>>> mission
>>>> > > > >> success. Infighting and back biting are a recipe for disaster
>>>> in
>>>> > > > >> organizations and especially in space. If you all continue
>>>> these
>>>> > > > >> behaviors, you will lose your opportunities to fly your space
>>>> missions
>>>> > > > of
>>>> > > > >> the future. Space agencies and space corporations only want
>>>> to work
>>>> > > > with
>>>> > > > >> folks that are dedicated to mission success. I ask all to get
>>>> over
>>>> > > your
>>>> > > > >> grievances and start working as a team as I would hate to see
>>>> AMSAT
>>>> > > lose
>>>> > > > >> space opportunities and space relationships that have taken
>>>> decades to
>>>> > > > >> build.
>>>> > > > >>
>>>> > > > >> 73, Frank Bauer, KA3HDO
>>>> > > > >> ARISS-USA Executive Director
>>>> > > > >> AMSAT-NA V.P. for Human Spaceflight Programs
>>>> > > > >>
>>>> > > > >>
>>>> > > > >> -----Original Message-----
>>>> > > > >> From: Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK) <amsat-bb@??????.???>
>>>> > > > >> Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 1:30 AM
>>>> > > > >> To: Fernando Ramirez <framirezferrer@?????.???>; AMSAT <
>>>> > > > >> amsat-bb@?????.???>
>>>> > > > >> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Who Let THIS Info Out?
>>>> > > > >>
>>>> > > > >> Fernando,
>>>> > > > >>
>>>> > > > >> Thanks for asking. Yes, I have made calls for meetings, and
>>>> there
>>>> > > should
>>>> > > > >> have been meetings since the last special meeting at the end
>>>> of March.
>>>> > > > >>
>>>> > > > >> 1. Discuss the thousands of dollars in unauthorized spending
>>>> on legal
>>>> > > > >> expenses since 2018 - a point that is not disputed in the
>>>> letter AMSAT
>>>> > > > >> President Clayton Coleman sent to members last month.
>>>> > > > >>
>>>> > > > >> 2. After Robert Bankston's financial report was released in
>>>> > > mid-March, I
>>>> > > > >> asked for a meeting to discuss the "cost-saving and budgetary
>>>> control
>>>> > > > >> measures" he started to implement. After many months, Robert
>>>> has not
>>>> > > > >> discussed these measures. Given the unauthorized spending, it
>>>> appears
>>>> > > > AMSAT
>>>> > > > >> is in dire need of budgetary control measures.
>>>> > > > >>
>>>> > > > >> 3. I had e-mailed Clayton Coleman and the Board on 13 June,
>>>> calling
>>>> > > for
>>>> > > > a
>>>> > > > >> meeting to discuss the announcement of the formation of the new
>>>> > > > ARISS-USA
>>>> > > > >> organization, and the effect that would have on AMSAT.
>>>> > > > >> Clayton informed the Board on 16 June that he would gather his
>>>> notes
>>>> > > > >> regarding a discussion with Frank Bauer and ARISS-USA, and
>>>> review them
>>>> > > > with
>>>> > > > >> the Board. As of tonight, nothing from Clayton.
>>>> > > > >>
>>>> > > > >> Michelle has also made calls for meetings. Yet none of the
>>>> other 5
>>>> > > > >> directors - including the two running for reelection this
>>>> summer -
>>>> > > have
>>>> > > > >> joined our calls for meetings. Clayton could call meetings,
>>>> but has
>>>> > > > chosen
>>>> > > > >> not to. I would be more than happy to discuss these, and other
>>>> issues,
>>>> > > > >> during an on-the-record Board meeting where minutes are made
>>>> available
>>>> > > > to
>>>> > > > >> AMSAT members.
>>>> > > > >>
>>>> > > > >> Thank you.
>>>> > > > >>
>>>> > > > >> Patrick Stoddard, WD9EWK/VA7EWK
>>>> > > > >> http://www.wd9ewk.net/
>>>> > > > >> Twitter: @?????? or http://twitter.com/WD9EWK
>>>> > > > >>
>>>> > > > >>
>>>> > > > >> _______________________________________________
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>>>> available
>>>> > > > >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring
>>>> membership.
>>>> > > > >> Opinions expressed
>>>> > > > >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the
>>>> official views
>>>> > > of
>>>> > > > >> AMSAT-NA.
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>>>> satellite
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>>>> > > > >>
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > _______________________________________________
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>>>> available
>>>> > > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>>>> > > Opinions
>>>> > > > expressed
>>>> > > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
>>>> views of
>>>> > > > AMSAT-NA.
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>>>> > > program!
>>>> > > > Subscription settings:
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>>>> > > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > --
>>>> > > Bruce Perens - CEO at stealth startup. I'll tell you what it is
>>>> eventually
>>>> > > :-)
>>>> > > _______________________________________________
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>>>> available
>>>> > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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>>>> > > expressed
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>>>> > >
>>>> > _______________________________________________
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>>>> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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>>>
>>
>> --
>> Bruce Perens - CEO at stealth startup. I'll tell you what it is
>> eventually :-)
>>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2020 21:20:08 -0700
From: W3AB/GEO <w3ab@?????.???>
To: Robert Bankston <ke4al@?????.???>,ke4al@?????.???
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>, Ted Krempa <k7trkradio@???????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Sat Show in Georgia (US) 8/15/2020
Message-ID: <9fd85945-751a-421d-89a3-b4f758c11d05@?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Thanks Bob. That's exactly what I have seen.
The ambassadors are doing a very good job at presenting "amateur radio in
space" seminars all around.
I for one, appreciate everything they do.
I tried to do one at Burning Man a number of years ago but reality raised
its ugly head. Such is life in the real world.
?___
Sent from my two way wrist watch
73 de W3AB/GEO?
On Aug 5, 2020, 18:50, at 18:50, Robert Bankston via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
>
>Ted,
>
>Quite a few AMSAT Ambassadors publicize presentations, demonstrations,
>and events.
>
>They are donating their time to promote amateur radio in space.? We
>should be inspired by their initiative and support them however we can.
>
>Robert Bankston, KE4AL
>Director, AMSAT Ambassadors
>
>
>On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 08:41:30 PM CDT, Ted Krempa via AMSAT-BB
><amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
>Just thinking out loud here: Which other AMSAT Ambassador puts out a
>'press release' about themself??
>
>73, Ted
>K7TRK
>_______________________________________________
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2020 11:14:44 +0000 (UTC)
From: Ev Tupis <w2ev@?????.???>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Election Timeline
Message-ID: <314663745.790827.1596712484639@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Hello.
May I ask when the results from the election will be (or are scheduled to
be) announced?
Ev, W2EV
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2020 12:28:42 +0100
From: "Peter Goodhall (2M0SQL)" <peter@????????.??.??>
To: Michael Walker <va3mw@??????????.???>
Cc: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] XW-2D
Message-ID:
<CAFvUaiqD4RVVStq3nsw9X6bMtXEdp_U+Guie7Zj-ResbN5ZzFQ@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Correct XW-2C & D transponders seem to be intermittently on and off, you
can make QSOs via them but it's all about timing.
Peter, 2M0SQL
On Wed, 5 Aug 2020, 23:29 Michael Walker via AMSAT-BB, <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> All
>
> Just to confirm that XW-2D is non-usable?
>
> I seems to transpond for a few seconds and then goes mute for 10 seconds or
> so?
>
> Mike va3mw
> _______________________________________________
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