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Today's Topics:
1. Election Timeline (Brennan Price)
2. Sat Show in Georgia (Clint Bradford)
3. Re: Election Timeline (Ev Tupis)
4. Re: Sat Show in Georgia (Zach Metzinger)
5. Sat Show in Georgia (Clint Bradford)
6. GridMaster Award in GridTracker (Don KB2YSI)
7. Hack-a-Sat finals this weekend - AMSAT volunteers
represented! (Michelle Thompson)
8. Re: Hack-a-Sat finals this weekend - AMSAT volunteers
represented! (Robert MacHale)
9. Re: Who Let THIS Info Out? (Kenneth P Alexander)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2020 12:00:42 +0000 (UTC)
From: Brennan Price <brennanprice@???????.???>
To: "amsat-bb@?????.???? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Election Timeline
Message-ID: <1737673867.641725.1596715242794@????.?????.???>
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Ev,
>From the instructions portion of the ballot:
"The ballots will be counted under the Secretary's supervision as soon after
September 15 as is reasonably practicable."
The bylaws further specify that the result be announced by September 30.?
I am afraid I am unable to be more specific at this time, as the ability to
conduct a standard scrutineering session may be impacted by facility and
teller availability depending on the state of public health at the time. If
I am unable to conduct a standard session, I have a plan to livestream my
solo operation to provide the confidence that comes from multiple sets of
eyes on the process. Most of such a stream would be of me opening face-down
envelopes and placing their contents in a ballot box for subsequent
counting. I hope it doesn't come to that. If it does, do not expect
entertainment.?
73 de Brennan N4QX
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2020 05:36:16 -0700
From: Clint Bradford <clintbradford@???.???>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Sat Show in Georgia
Message-ID: <BA62D555-F5E2-4349-8289-952B330D61A5@???.???>
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>> Just thinking out loud here: Which other AMSAT Ambassador puts out a
'press release' about themself??
I prefer to call is a ?media alert,? Ted. Hitting appropriate ?target
audiences."
It is all about ?effective communications.?
The local chamber of commerce is posting the announcement. You?ll see it on
QRZ and eHam, too.
The bottom line: spread the gospel of AMSAT-NA and educate, AND try to get a
couple ?first-time
visitors? to the clubs I speak to. It is always wonderful to draw those
potential new members for
clubs.
Any other questions?
Clint Bradford K6LCS
PS My Calendar of upcoming presentations is at
https://www.work-sat.com/hamjam-2018.html
<https://www.work-sat.com/hamjam-2018.html> for you!
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2020 13:19:26 +0000 (UTC)
From: Ev Tupis <w2ev@?????.???>
To: "amsat-bb@?????.???? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Election Timeline
Message-ID: <1085211730.824362.1596719966424@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Thank you, Brennan.
I'll now decide if all of this (quite unnecessary) on-list candidate-drama
will drive me to unsubscribe until October or not.? Especially if you are
not planning to make your potential live streamed task very entertaining. :- )
Kind regards,
Ev, W2EV
On Thursday, August 6, 2020, 08:08:50 AM EDT, Brennan Price via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
Ev,
>From the instructions portion of the ballot:
"The ballots will be counted under the Secretary's supervision as soon after
September 15 as is reasonably practicable."
The bylaws further specify that the result be announced by September 30.?
I am afraid I am unable to be more specific at this time, as the ability to
conduct a standard scrutineering session may be impacted by facility and
teller availability depending on the state of public health at the time. If
I am unable to conduct a standard session, I have a plan to livestream my
solo operation to provide the confidence that comes from multiple sets of
eyes on the process. Most of such a stream would be of me opening face-down
envelopes and placing their contents in a ballot box for subsequent
counting. I hope it doesn't come to that. If it does, do not expect
entertainment.?
73 de Brennan N4QX
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2020 09:35:43 -0500
From: Zach Metzinger <zmetzing@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Sat Show in Georgia
Message-ID: <c87abb4b-1646-4678-0491-fff5c3033c78@?????.???>
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On 08/06/20 07:36, Clint Bradford via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> The bottom line: spread the gospel of AMSAT-NA and educate, AND try to get
a couple ?first-time
> visitors? to the clubs I speak to. It is always wonderful to draw those
potential new members for
> clubs.
Clint,
Keep it up! We need more evangelists to keep the hobby alive in the
minds of the younger/newer crowd.
If you can collect feedback, that would help too. What are prospective
hams looking for in the hobby, specifically for the satellite aspect of it?
73,
--- Zach
N0ZGO
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2020 08:56:27 -0700
From: Clint Bradford <clintbradford@???.???>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Sat Show in Georgia
Message-ID: <C0FFCAF7-81CB-400D-96B9-6368F08C7102@???.???>
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>> If you can collect feedback, that would help too ?
Absolutely. The Q&A duringnd after are always enlightening!
Clint K6LCS
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2020 12:20:21 -0400
From: Don KB2YSI <kb2ysi@?????.???>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] GridMaster Award in GridTracker
Message-ID:
<CAAJiE8MsD3o_eSkGUN168G5UGmnOuChvRzA+7m9kksKv9KxWug@????.?????.???>
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N0TTL has added the GridMaster Award as an award layer in his GridTracker
software ( https://tagloomis.com/downloads/ ). It is awesome when
developers work with users to help make their software appeal to a broader
audience!
Once you get your log into the software, there are many ways to do this.
Press J and it will highlight in your QSL'ed grids for GMA.
Press B to get the grid #'s to be filled in.
Move the map to how you want it, press SHIFT+F5 to save the position. At
any time press F5 and it will return to that position!
Press K to take a screenshot.
If you forget something, press F1 and a help screen with all of the key
presses is displayed; this is the #1 key press to remember!
I have posted my newest map here:
https://twitter.com/kb2ysi/status/1291408711987200002
If you happen to be an FT8 junkie and have not given the package a try, you
should check it out. There are many award layers available and a load of
features that I barely know how to utilize; check out the Callable Roster.
If you want to join the Discord server: https://discord.gg/j9Cv9XU
--
73,
Don KB2YSI
https://www.hamqth.com/kb2ysi
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2020 10:01:13 -0700
From: Michelle Thompson <mountain.michelle@?????.???>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Hack-a-Sat finals this weekend - AMSAT volunteers
represented!
Message-ID:
<CACvjz2XKXdvXQDpvB_CC-2wbrvm-=rOmK05biKOtB000Bwmxag@????.?????.???>
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Greetings all,
There's a major event happening this weekend with a very large amateur
radio satellite component.
It's DEFCON. This year it's virtual and free to attend!
https://www.defcon.org/
DEFCON draws 30,000 people interested in improving technology and
themselves.
In the past, amateur radio and AMSAT have been well represented, presented,
and promoted at WiFi Village, Ham Radio Village, and Hardware Hacking
Village. It's been a real pleasure to present amateur satellite work at
DEFCON because the audience is receptive, educated, interested, and
supportive. Every time we have a booth or talk, the feedback is
overwhelmingly positive.
The largest US amateur radio licensing session on record happened at DEFCON
a couple of years ago. Amateur radio is alive and well.
This year, a number of AMSAT members have participated in another aspect of
DEFCON: The competitions!
There are a lot of competitions at DEFCON. They range from silly to
extremely difficult multi-day technical ordeals.
This year, the Air Force sponsored a high-end competition called
Hack-a-Sat.
For the qualifying event, amateur radio satellite service enthusiasts were
recruited. Our practical knowledge and interdisciplinary can-do spirit was
something that I thought would provide a unique advantage in a competition
ordinarily dominated by networking and computing information security
professionals.
This strategy worked. An interdisciplinary team finished 20th out of over
1500. You can find reports about it in the -BB archive.
Unfortunately, while 20th place is a remarkable achievement, that meant
that team missed out on the finals, as only the top 10 moved on.
However, I have some news! A number of us hams were recruited by teams that
finished in the finals. There will be several AMSAT engineering volunteers
participating in the final event this weekend. I'm on ADDVulcan along with
several others.
We are very excited to represent amateur radio in an event put on by the
Air Force to explore current and pressing security issues with satellite
technology.
For the finals, the teams each received a flatsat. The challenges in the
competition are both "virtual", meaning code only, and also "real", meaning
having to do with the flatsat hardware.
If you want to follow along, there will be coverage and content at
https://www.hackasat.com/
Some inside baseball: The team that won the semifinals is a famous
engineering competition team called PPP. They have withdrawn from the
finals because they also have a team in the "main" computing CTF at DEFCON,
and could not field both teams at once.
ADDVulcan finished 4th, and has strengthened their position through
recruiting and practice.
So, I think it's fair to say that amateur radio satellite service people
have a chance to contribute to a possible win at an international elite
competition. Everyone here should be very proud of what our license and
hobby enables.
Some of the things we've had to learn with respect to tools are Core Flight
System (NASA open source) and COSMOS, from Ball Aerospace. We've also been
given an opportunity to see what the Air Force believes are the 1) current
capabilities of the technical community and 2) what the threat models might
be.
I look forward to sharing what we learn and how we do with all of you.
These are the sorts of things I think AMSAT should be supporting and
sponsoring. It's well within our capabilities as a community to host
competitions like this one, where the goal of the challenges is to produce
quality open source work that solves particular problems. If you are
interested in doing something like this, then I'm here to help make it
happen. Get in touch and let's see what we can come up with!
-Michelle W5NYV
------------------------------
Message: 8
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2020 20:11:44 +0000 (UTC)
From: Robert MacHale <robert.machale@?????.???>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>, Michelle Thompson
<mountain.michelle@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Hack-a-Sat finals this weekend - AMSAT
volunteers represented!
Message-ID: <757520660.1076281.1596744704664@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
VERY COOL - Michelle - glad to hear you are engaged with the hack-a-sat!
Robert MacHale
. KE6BLR FCC Licensed Radio Operator?
.?http://www.aprsat.com/predict
.?http://www.spaceCommunicator.club?
. Supporting Boy Scout Merit Badges in Radio, Robotics, and Space Exploration
Silly Joke:?What did the little mountain say to the bigger mountain? Hi Cliff!
He who dares not offend cannot be honest. -- THOMAS PAINE
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow men. True nobility
lies in being superior to your former self. -- ERNEST HEMINGWAY
On Thursday, August 6, 2020, 10:25:17 AM PDT, Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
Greetings all,
There's a major event happening this weekend with a very large amateur
radio satellite component.
It's DEFCON. This year it's virtual and free to attend!
https://www.defcon.org/
DEFCON draws 30,000 people interested in improving technology and
themselves.
In the past, amateur radio and AMSAT have been well represented, presented,
and promoted at WiFi Village, Ham Radio Village, and Hardware Hacking
Village. It's been a real pleasure to present amateur satellite work at
DEFCON because the audience is receptive, educated, interested, and
supportive. Every time we have a booth or talk, the feedback is
overwhelmingly positive.
The largest US amateur radio licensing session on record happened at DEFCON
a couple of years ago. Amateur radio is alive and well.
This year, a number of AMSAT members have participated in another aspect of
DEFCON: The competitions!
There are a lot of competitions at DEFCON. They range from silly to
extremely difficult multi-day technical ordeals.
This year, the Air Force sponsored a high-end competition called
Hack-a-Sat.
For the qualifying event, amateur radio satellite service enthusiasts were
recruited. Our practical knowledge and interdisciplinary can-do spirit was
something that I thought would provide a unique advantage in a competition
ordinarily dominated by networking and computing information security
professionals.
This strategy worked. An interdisciplinary team finished 20th out of over
1500. You can find reports about it in the -BB archive.
Unfortunately, while 20th place is a remarkable achievement, that meant
that team missed out on the finals, as only the top 10 moved on.
However, I have some news! A number of us hams were recruited by teams that
finished in the finals. There will be several AMSAT engineering volunteers
participating in the final event this weekend. I'm on ADDVulcan along with
several others.
We are very excited to represent amateur radio in an event put on by the
Air Force to explore current and pressing security issues with satellite
technology.
For the finals, the teams each received a flatsat. The challenges in the
competition are both "virtual", meaning code only, and also "real", meaning
having to do with the flatsat hardware.
If you want to follow along, there will be coverage and content at
https://www.hackasat.com/
Some inside baseball: The team that won the semifinals is a famous
engineering competition team called PPP. They have withdrawn from the
finals because they also have a team in the "main" computing CTF at DEFCON,
and could not field both teams at once.
ADDVulcan finished 4th, and has strengthened their position through
recruiting and practice.
So, I think it's fair to say that amateur radio satellite service people
have a chance to contribute to a possible win at an international elite
competition. Everyone here should be very proud of what our license and
hobby enables.
Some of the things we've had to learn with respect to tools are Core Flight
System (NASA open source) and COSMOS, from Ball Aerospace. We've also been
given an opportunity to see what the Air Force believes are the 1) current
capabilities of the technical community and 2) what the threat models might
be.
I look forward to sharing what we learn and how we do with all of you.
These are the sorts of things I think AMSAT should be supporting and
sponsoring. It's well within our capabilities as a community to host
competitions like this one, where the goal of the challenges is to produce
quality open source work that solves particular problems. If you are
interested in doing something like this, then I'm here to help make it
happen. Get in touch and let's see what we can come up with!
-Michelle W5NYV
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 15:33:18 +0700
From: Kenneth P Alexander <ve3hls@?????.???>
To: John Brier <johnbrier@?????.???>
Cc: Frank Bauer <ka3hdo@?????.???>, AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Who Let THIS Info Out?
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Well said John.
In the mean time we're crippled with a President who refuses to discuss
these issues in the only forum we have where can express our views,
supposedly out of 'respect' for Amsat's membership.
It's the membership's prerogative to speak out when we don't like decisions
the Corporation makes, and it's the President's job to listen to the
members and engage in ongoing discussions...not issue corporate edicts and
then disengage from from the membership.
Ken Alexander, VE3HLS
So Phisai, Thailand
Blog: bueng-ken.com
On Thu, Aug 6, 2020, 10:05 John Brier via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> Well you kind of answered your own question. You don't understand why a
> group would be so disgruntled yet continue to be involved. Either they are
> all trolls or they care and want to change things in a way they truly
> believe is better. I don't doubt the incumbents have positive intentions
> and mean no harm... Mostly they do positive things, but they have done a
> few things I disagree with. You seem to be refusing to see why anyone could
> feel that way. Until then I guess it makes sense to just want it to go
> away.
>
> As for your second paragraph, of course if you ask all the people who have
> been in charge for the last several years who did the things that got done,
> they will all point at each other. That is not the point. The point is,
> some people want to do new/different things that they haven't gotten an
> adequate chance to do.
>
> 73, John Brier KG4AKV
>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2020, 22:17 Joseph Armbruster <josepharmbruster@?????.???>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > John Brier is signed on to your campaign, per the reference link that I
> > provided... and, he's replying to me saying "well, Bruce shouldn't
> leave!"
> > to my response. That's all i'm saying...
> >
> >
> > I don't understand what could make a group of people so disgruntled
> > against the AMSAT BOD or just generally against the organization,
> > volunteers, membership, etc... Negativity at this level never brings
> > results. I can not understand why such a group would continue to be
> > involved with the organization. Your thoughts and opinions do not
> > intersect well with what I have observed in the past of the volunteers or
> > members that i've known or my understanding of the present organization.
> > In addition, the mis-characterizations of relationships and productivity
> is
> > disheartening and damaging.
> >
> >
> > Anyhow, for all of you bb-members who just say "aw, well, I just want to
> > discuss sats and no politics...."... understand that your vote will
> > directly affect how AMSAT coordinates, communicates, negotiates and
> > develops future satellite projects. It is a serious vote for the future
> of
> > the organization in many, many ways. It's a vote that should support the
> > engineers that put serious, difficult, hard work into many projects
> > to-date. I suggest that you all reach out to the existing BOD members,
> all
> > of them and talk to them individually. Read what they have written, talk
> > to the engineers, talk to the project leads, seek their opinions, etc...
> > ask who was writing software, designing hardware, working on schedules,
> > logistics, launch requirements, testing, etc... Who worked documentation,
> > etc... see who those people are and who they rely on and circle back to,
> > ask explicitly! Ask who they are voting for. Talk to previous board
> > members also, and ask about what the bottlenecks were, who were the
> > individuals getting stuff done. It's not hard, just do not read the
> > opinions of others on the -bb (myself included). Make an informed
> > decision, Skype, Zoom, jit.si, phone call, email, etc... whatever it
> > takes. Make a serious effort to reach out and determine what is in the
> > best interest of AMSAT. I know who is, in my opinion (Hammond, Paige,
> > Stoetzer) but everyone needs to resolve this individually.
> >
> >
> > 73s & NM,
> >
> > Joseph Armbruster
> >
> > KJ4JIO
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 8:06 PM Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???> wrote:
> >
> >> Joseph,
> >>
> >> This is either ad-hominem or just incomprehensible. I know you are
> >> capable of presenting credible arguments. Please endeavor to do so.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> Bruce
> >>
> >> On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 4:59 PM Joseph Armbruster <
> >> josepharmbruster@?????.???> wrote:
> >>
> >>> John,
> >>>
> >>> I can see it being unhelpful, if you signed on with the guy that i'm
> >>> asking to go away :-)
> >>> ref: https://perens.com/static/AMSAT/Election2020.html
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Joseph Armbruster
> >>> KJ4JIO
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 5:33 PM John Brier <johnbrier@?????.???> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> "wish you would just stop, go away and maybe work harder at growing
> ORI"
> >>>>
> >>>> At this point it's clear there are big disagreements and issues that
> >>>> must be worked out so wishing or suggesting people just go away seems
> >>>> unhelpful. Might as well leave this point out as it just muddies the
> >>>> waters around any reasonable points you have.
> >>>>
> >>>> 73, John Brier KG4AKV
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 4:08 PM Joseph Armbruster via AMSAT-BB
> >>>> <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Bruce,
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > All your statements about AMSAT leadership are a false narrative
> that
> >>>> you
> >>>> > and your crew are constantly perpetuating to discredit the
> >>>> organization,
> >>>> > for the sake of securing like-minded individuals on the BOD. I can
> >>>> only
> >>>> > assume, with the intention of growing ORI? I mean, you did say they
> >>>> got
> >>>> > three amateur radio in space grants, right? Why weren't those
> pursued
> >>>> > through AMSAT? What you're doing to AMSAT on the bb publicly is
> quite
> >>>> > sad, though no doubt, coordinated and with intent. There are many
> of
> >>>> us
> >>>> > members (some vocal, many not) that really wish you would just stop,
> >>>> go
> >>>> > away and maybe work harder at growing ORI. This action would
> >>>> directly help
> >>>> > preserve AMSATs integrity and give you a path to direct your effort
> >>>> and
> >>>> > energy more productively. Think of the problems you could solve if
> >>>> you
> >>>> > were just not being held back..? I know engineers personally that
> >>>> helped
> >>>> > developed that power supply for ARISS and they are really sharp,
> >>>> *involved
> >>>> > AMSAT members* that from my own observation have invested countless
> >>>> years
> >>>> > of their lives building kit for AMSAT. I saw it and it's some
> >>>> amazing,
> >>>> > amazing, amazing hardware. I speak per my observations of these
> >>>> > individuals, not for them. Every volunteer organization gains and
> >>>> looses
> >>>> > members, all the time, depending on what's going on in their life,
> >>>> state of
> >>>> > the economy, etc...that's not surprising nor necessarily a
> reflection
> >>>> of
> >>>> > the work taking place within the organization, or its leadership.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Joseph Armbruster
> >>>> >
> >>>> > KJ4JIO
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 3:07 PM Bruce Perens via AMSAT-BB <
> >>>> amsat-bb@?????.???>
> >>>> > wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> > > It is entirely not in ARISS-USA's and AREx's interest to involve
> >>>> themselves
> >>>> > > publicly in AMSAT politics, or indeed that of almost any other
> >>>> > > organization. While I was curious about the "why now" and "was it
> >>>> an AMSAT
> >>>> > > issue", it is potentially damaging to ARISS-USA and AREx to pursue
> >>>> that,
> >>>> > > and I respect Frank's request that we stop, which he first made
> >>>> several
> >>>> > > weeks ago.
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > In contrast, my perception is that AMSAT leadership is pursuing a
> >>>> course
> >>>> > > that has so damaged its relationship with many previously-active
> >>>> > > volunteers, at least one major donor, and a good portion of the
> >>>> membership
> >>>> > > and non-member hams; that public intervention is necessary - and
> >>>> > > appropriate within the context of an election.
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > Thanks
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > Bruce
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 11:42 AM Fernando Ramirez via AMSAT-BB <
> >>>> > > amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > > I understand Frank's concerns and agree that these matters must
> be
> >>>> > > handled
> >>>> > > > very carefully.
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > For that same reason I think two separate legally established
> >>>> entities
> >>>> > > must
> >>>> > > > discuss their current partnership beyond of a press release.
> >>>> Probably
> >>>> > > > both AMSAT
> >>>> > > > and ARISS USA need to draft and approve a Memorandum of
> >>>> Understanding
> >>>> > > > establishing, in writing, how are things going to work from now
> >>>> on.
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > Like we say in good ol' Castilian "well defined business
> safeguard
> >>>> > > > friendships)
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > 73
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > Fernando KF7R
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2020, 11:13 AM Michelle Thompson <
> >>>> > > > mountain.michelle@?????.???>
> >>>> > > > wrote:
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > > Frank sums up the problems very well.
> >>>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > > An organization with unaddressed unauthorized spending could
> >>>> lose
> >>>> > > > > opportunities in space. Refusing to even meet to talk about
> >>>> this and
> >>>> > > > other
> >>>> > > > > problems has put the organization at risk. That is what has
> >>>> happened.
> >>>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > > We can't collaborate when we are denied meetings.
> >>>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > > We can't have teamwork without collaboration.
> >>>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > > I am optimistic things can and will improve.
> >>>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > > -Michelle W5NYV
> >>>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 3:36 AM Frank Bauer via AMSAT-BB <
> >>>> > > > > amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> >>>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > >> >>3. I had e-mailed Clayton Coleman and the Board on 13 June,
> >>>> calling
> >>>> > > > for
> >>>> > > > >> a meeting to discuss the announcement of the formation of the
> >>>> new
> >>>> > > > ARISS-USA
> >>>> > > > >> organization, and the effect that would have on AMSAT.
> >>>> > > > >>
> >>>> > > > >> I would like to respectfully request for folks to stop trying
> >>>> to drag
> >>>> > > > >> ARISS and the new AREx initiative into this political battle.
> >>>> > > > >>
> >>>> > > > >> In previous posts, Dave Taylor, W8AAS, the AMSAT delegate to
> >>>> ARISS,
> >>>> > > and
> >>>> > > > I
> >>>> > > > >> have stated that ARISS-USA became an entity to allow ARISS to
> >>>> sign
> >>>> > > > >> agreements (with NASA and others) and seek grants in the
> ARISS
> >>>> name.
> >>>> > > In
> >>>> > > > >> the past, AMSAT has done that in the US on behalf of ARISS.
> >>>> The
> >>>> > > > functional
> >>>> > > > >> change is that ARISS is assuming for itself some of the
> tasks
> >>>> that
> >>>> > > > AMSAT
> >>>> > > > >> has donated support to accomplish. (and we thank AMSAT for
> this
> >>>> > > donated
> >>>> > > > >> support!) The good working relationship that ARISS has had
> >>>> with AMSAT
> >>>> > > > over
> >>>> > > > >> the years is NOT changing. For more information, read the
> >>>> press
> >>>> > > > release on
> >>>> > > > >> the new ARISS-USA entity on the ARISS web site www.ariss.org
> >>>> (6th
> >>>> > > > >> article down).
> >>>> > > > >>
> >>>> > > > >> One item I will remind all of you: Getting into space is
> HARD.
> >>>> > > > >> Collaboration and teamwork are essential elements of space
> >>>> mission
> >>>> > > > >> success. Infighting and back biting are a recipe for
> disaster
> >>>> in
> >>>> > > > >> organizations and especially in space. If you all continue
> >>>> these
> >>>> > > > >> behaviors, you will lose your opportunities to fly your space
> >>>> missions
> >>>> > > > of
> >>>> > > > >> the future. Space agencies and space corporations only want
> >>>> to work
> >>>> > > > with
> >>>> > > > >> folks that are dedicated to mission success. I ask all to
> get
> >>>> over
> >>>> > > your
> >>>> > > > >> grievances and start working as a team as I would hate to see
> >>>> AMSAT
> >>>> > > lose
> >>>> > > > >> space opportunities and space relationships that have taken
> >>>> decades to
> >>>> > > > >> build.
> >>>> > > > >>
> >>>> > > > >> 73, Frank Bauer, KA3HDO
> >>>> > > > >> ARISS-USA Executive Director
> >>>> > > > >> AMSAT-NA V.P. for Human Spaceflight Programs
> >>>> > > > >>
> >>>> > > > >>
> >>>> > > > >> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> > > > >> From: Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK) <amsat-bb@??????.???>
> >>>> > > > >> Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 1:30 AM
> >>>> > > > >> To: Fernando Ramirez <framirezferrer@?????.???>; AMSAT <
> >>>> > > > >> amsat-bb@?????.???>
> >>>> > > > >> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Who Let THIS Info Out?
> >>>> > > > >>
> >>>> > > > >> Fernando,
> >>>> > > > >>
> >>>> > > > >> Thanks for asking. Yes, I have made calls for meetings, and
> >>>> there
> >>>> > > should
> >>>> > > > >> have been meetings since the last special meeting at the end
> >>>> of March.
> >>>> > > > >>
> >>>> > > > >> 1. Discuss the thousands of dollars in unauthorized spending
> >>>> on legal
> >>>> > > > >> expenses since 2018 - a point that is not disputed in the
> >>>> letter AMSAT
> >>>> > > > >> President Clayton Coleman sent to members last month.
> >>>> > > > >>
> >>>> > > > >> 2. After Robert Bankston's financial report was released in
> >>>> > > mid-March, I
> >>>> > > > >> asked for a meeting to discuss the "cost-saving and budgetary
> >>>> control
> >>>> > > > >> measures" he started to implement. After many months, Robert
> >>>> has not
> >>>> > > > >> discussed these measures. Given the unauthorized spending, it
> >>>> appears
> >>>> > > > AMSAT
> >>>> > > > >> is in dire need of budgetary control measures.
> >>>> > > > >>
> >>>> > > > >> 3. I had e-mailed Clayton Coleman and the Board on 13 June,
> >>>> calling
> >>>> > > for
> >>>> > > > a
> >>>> > > > >> meeting to discuss the announcement of the formation of the
> new
> >>>> > > > ARISS-USA
> >>>> > > > >> organization, and the effect that would have on AMSAT.
> >>>> > > > >> Clayton informed the Board on 16 June that he would gather
> his
> >>>> notes
> >>>> > > > >> regarding a discussion with Frank Bauer and ARISS-USA, and
> >>>> review them
> >>>> > > > with
> >>>> > > > >> the Board. As of tonight, nothing from Clayton.
> >>>> > > > >>
> >>>> > > > >> Michelle has also made calls for meetings. Yet none of the
> >>>> other 5
> >>>> > > > >> directors - including the two running for reelection this
> >>>> summer -
> >>>> > > have
> >>>> > > > >> joined our calls for meetings. Clayton could call meetings,
> >>>> but has
> >>>> > > > chosen
> >>>> > > > >> not to. I would be more than happy to discuss these, and
> other
> >>>> issues,
> >>>> > > > >> during an on-the-record Board meeting where minutes are made
> >>>> available
> >>>> > > > to
> >>>> > > > >> AMSAT members.
> >>>> > > > >>
> >>>> > > > >> Thank you.
> >>>> > > > >>
> >>>> > > > >> Patrick Stoddard, WD9EWK/VA7EWK
> >>>> > > > >> http://www.wd9ewk.net/
> >>>> > > > >> Twitter: @?????? or http://twitter.com/WD9EWK
> >>>> > > > >>
> >>>> > > > >>
> >>>> > > > >> _______________________________________________
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> >>>> > > --
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> >>>> eventually
> >>>> > > :-)
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> >> eventually :-)
> >>
> >
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