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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Who Let THIS Info Out? (Joseph Armbruster)
2. Re: Who Let THIS Info Out? (Jeff Johns)
3. Yaeus G-5500 rotator boom mounting (Bob Hammond)
4. Re: Yaeus G-5500 rotator boom mounting (Graham Shirville)
5. Re: Yaeus G-5500 rotator boom mounting (Jean Marc Momple)
6. Re: Yaeus G-5500 rotator boom mounting (Ed Krome)
7. Re: Who Let THIS Info Out? (Joseph Armbruster)
8. Re: Who Let THIS Info Out? (Jeff Johns)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 07:41:36 -0400
From: Joseph Armbruster <josepharmbruster@?????.???>
To: Kenneth P Alexander <ve3hls@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>, Frank Bauer <ka3hdo@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Who Let THIS Info Out?
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Kenneth,
It doesn't look like the president is crippling the organization, reference
amsat-bb email "Reply to W5PFG's letter of 10 July 2020."
We're in the United States Ken and sadly a lot of people in the country are
attorney/sue-happy and some use that as a method/means of intimidation or
suppression of speech. If you want to see how bad this can get here, look
up what Judy Munro-Leighton did to Brett Kavanaugh,when he was being
appointed to the supreme court. The sad reality right now is that anyone
can sue anyone over anything and ruin everything someone has worked for,
over literally, Nothing. On the flip side, anyone that fears any form of
legal action against them, has to lawyer-up, in an effort to learn the law,
gather information and protect themselves.
When members or BOD members start hiring attorneys to write kind letters to
other members (like the one posted publically to the -bb), that's not an
invitation to engage in productive discussion. That's a clear threat of
legal action. I mean, when's the last time You hired an attorney to have
them write a letter on your behalf? I guess some people have time for that
nonsense... I would venture to say that for most of the good
keep-your-head-down-and-hack kindof engineers, if they receive a letter
like that while working with at a volunteer group, they are more likely to
just want to quit and move on and do something else with their life, rather
than deal with the potential social/financial headache or having their
names dragged through the mud unnecessarily. That just means it's more of
a push to get people to quit/leave... resulting in a potential loss of
talent for AMSAT. Which sucks.
I haven't been involved in any of the BOD meetings but I can see how if
it's gotten to the point to where they need to walk on eggshells the entire
meeting over fear of legal actions, then the activity comes to a halt.
Then people on the opposing side turn around and say "Hoorah! Hoorah! The
board isn't doing anything, look at how bad they are!!"... When in fact,
that's not the case at all, it's all really a symptom, of another
problem... From a third-party perspective, that's what this all looks like
to me.
Joseph Armbruster
KJ4JIO
On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 4:33 AM Kenneth P Alexander <ve3hls@?????.???> wrote:
> Well said John.
>
> In the mean time we're crippled with a President who refuses to discuss
> these issues in the only forum we have where can express our views,
> supposedly out of 'respect' for Amsat's membership.
>
> It's the membership's prerogative to speak out when we don't like
> decisions the Corporation makes, and it's the President's job to listen to
> the members and engage in ongoing discussions...not issue corporate edicts
> and then disengage from from the membership.
>
> Ken Alexander, VE3HLS
> So Phisai, Thailand
> Blog: bueng-ken.com
>
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020, 10:05 John Brier via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
> wrote:
>
>> Well you kind of answered your own question. You don't understand why a
>> group would be so disgruntled yet continue to be involved. Either they are
>> all trolls or they care and want to change things in a way they truly
>> believe is better. I don't doubt the incumbents have positive intentions
>> and mean no harm... Mostly they do positive things, but they have done a
>> few things I disagree with. You seem to be refusing to see why anyone
>> could
>> feel that way. Until then I guess it makes sense to just want it to go
>> away.
>>
>> As for your second paragraph, of course if you ask all the people who have
>> been in charge for the last several years who did the things that got
>> done,
>> they will all point at each other. That is not the point. The point is,
>> some people want to do new/different things that they haven't gotten an
>> adequate chance to do.
>>
>> 73, John Brier KG4AKV
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 5, 2020, 22:17 Joseph Armbruster <josepharmbruster@?????.???>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > John Brier is signed on to your campaign, per the reference link that I
>> > provided... and, he's replying to me saying "well, Bruce shouldn't
>> leave!"
>> > to my response. That's all i'm saying...
>> >
>> >
>> > I don't understand what could make a group of people so disgruntled
>> > against the AMSAT BOD or just generally against the organization,
>> > volunteers, membership, etc... Negativity at this level never brings
>> > results. I can not understand why such a group would continue to be
>> > involved with the organization. Your thoughts and opinions do not
>> > intersect well with what I have observed in the past of the volunteers
>> or
>> > members that i've known or my understanding of the present organization.
>> > In addition, the mis-characterizations of relationships and
>> productivity is
>> > disheartening and damaging.
>> >
>> >
>> > Anyhow, for all of you bb-members who just say "aw, well, I just want to
>> > discuss sats and no politics...."... understand that your vote will
>> > directly affect how AMSAT coordinates, communicates, negotiates and
>> > develops future satellite projects. It is a serious vote for the
>> future of
>> > the organization in many, many ways. It's a vote that should support
>> the
>> > engineers that put serious, difficult, hard work into many projects
>> > to-date. I suggest that you all reach out to the existing BOD members,
>> all
>> > of them and talk to them individually. Read what they have written,
>> talk
>> > to the engineers, talk to the project leads, seek their opinions, etc...
>> > ask who was writing software, designing hardware, working on schedules,
>> > logistics, launch requirements, testing, etc... Who worked
>> documentation,
>> > etc... see who those people are and who they rely on and circle back to,
>> > ask explicitly! Ask who they are voting for. Talk to previous board
>> > members also, and ask about what the bottlenecks were, who were the
>> > individuals getting stuff done. It's not hard, just do not read the
>> > opinions of others on the -bb (myself included). Make an informed
>> > decision, Skype, Zoom, jit.si, phone call, email, etc... whatever it
>> > takes. Make a serious effort to reach out and determine what is in the
>> > best interest of AMSAT. I know who is, in my opinion (Hammond, Paige,
>> > Stoetzer) but everyone needs to resolve this individually.
>> >
>> >
>> > 73s & NM,
>> >
>> > Joseph Armbruster
>> >
>> > KJ4JIO
>> >
>> > On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 8:06 PM Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Joseph,
>> >>
>> >> This is either ad-hominem or just incomprehensible. I know you are
>> >> capable of presenting credible arguments. Please endeavor to do so.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >>
>> >> Bruce
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 4:59 PM Joseph Armbruster <
>> >> josepharmbruster@?????.???> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> John,
>> >>>
>> >>> I can see it being unhelpful, if you signed on with the guy that i'm
>> >>> asking to go away :-)
>> >>> ref: https://perens.com/static/AMSAT/Election2020.html
>> >>>
>> >>> Cheers,
>> >>> Joseph Armbruster
>> >>> KJ4JIO
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 5:33 PM John Brier <johnbrier@?????.???>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> "wish you would just stop, go away and maybe work harder at growing
>> ORI"
>> >>>>
>> >>>> At this point it's clear there are big disagreements and issues that
>> >>>> must be worked out so wishing or suggesting people just go away seems
>> >>>> unhelpful. Might as well leave this point out as it just muddies the
>> >>>> waters around any reasonable points you have.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 73, John Brier KG4AKV
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 4:08 PM Joseph Armbruster via AMSAT-BB
>> >>>> <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Bruce,
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > All your statements about AMSAT leadership are a false narrative
>> that
>> >>>> you
>> >>>> > and your crew are constantly perpetuating to discredit the
>> >>>> organization,
>> >>>> > for the sake of securing like-minded individuals on the BOD. I can
>> >>>> only
>> >>>> > assume, with the intention of growing ORI? I mean, you did say
>> they
>> >>>> got
>> >>>> > three amateur radio in space grants, right? Why weren't those
>> pursued
>> >>>> > through AMSAT? What you're doing to AMSAT on the bb publicly is
>> quite
>> >>>> > sad, though no doubt, coordinated and with intent. There are many
>> of
>> >>>> us
>> >>>> > members (some vocal, many not) that really wish you would just
>> stop,
>> >>>> go
>> >>>> > away and maybe work harder at growing ORI. This action would
>> >>>> directly help
>> >>>> > preserve AMSATs integrity and give you a path to direct your effort
>> >>>> and
>> >>>> > energy more productively. Think of the problems you could solve if
>> >>>> you
>> >>>> > were just not being held back..? I know engineers personally that
>> >>>> helped
>> >>>> > developed that power supply for ARISS and they are really sharp,
>> >>>> *involved
>> >>>> > AMSAT members* that from my own observation have invested countless
>> >>>> years
>> >>>> > of their lives building kit for AMSAT. I saw it and it's some
>> >>>> amazing,
>> >>>> > amazing, amazing hardware. I speak per my observations of these
>> >>>> > individuals, not for them. Every volunteer organization gains and
>> >>>> looses
>> >>>> > members, all the time, depending on what's going on in their life,
>> >>>> state of
>> >>>> > the economy, etc...that's not surprising nor necessarily a
>> reflection
>> >>>> of
>> >>>> > the work taking place within the organization, or its leadership.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Joseph Armbruster
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > KJ4JIO
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 3:07 PM Bruce Perens via AMSAT-BB <
>> >>>> amsat-bb@?????.???>
>> >>>> > wrote:
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > > It is entirely not in ARISS-USA's and AREx's interest to involve
>> >>>> themselves
>> >>>> > > publicly in AMSAT politics, or indeed that of almost any other
>> >>>> > > organization. While I was curious about the "why now" and "was it
>> >>>> an AMSAT
>> >>>> > > issue", it is potentially damaging to ARISS-USA and AREx to
>> pursue
>> >>>> that,
>> >>>> > > and I respect Frank's request that we stop, which he first made
>> >>>> several
>> >>>> > > weeks ago.
>> >>>> > >
>> >>>> > > In contrast, my perception is that AMSAT leadership is pursuing a
>> >>>> course
>> >>>> > > that has so damaged its relationship with many previously-active
>> >>>> > > volunteers, at least one major donor, and a good portion of the
>> >>>> membership
>> >>>> > > and non-member hams; that public intervention is necessary - and
>> >>>> > > appropriate within the context of an election.
>> >>>> > >
>> >>>> > > Thanks
>> >>>> > >
>> >>>> > > Bruce
>> >>>> > >
>> >>>> > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 11:42 AM Fernando Ramirez via AMSAT-BB <
>> >>>> > > amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>> >>>> > >
>> >>>> > > > I understand Frank's concerns and agree that these matters
>> must be
>> >>>> > > handled
>> >>>> > > > very carefully.
>> >>>> > > >
>> >>>> > > > For that same reason I think two separate legally established
>> >>>> entities
>> >>>> > > must
>> >>>> > > > discuss their current partnership beyond of a press release.
>> >>>> Probably
>> >>>> > > > both AMSAT
>> >>>> > > > and ARISS USA need to draft and approve a Memorandum of
>> >>>> Understanding
>> >>>> > > > establishing, in writing, how are things going to work from now
>> >>>> on.
>> >>>> > > >
>> >>>> > > > Like we say in good ol' Castilian "well defined business
>> safeguard
>> >>>> > > > friendships)
>> >>>> > > >
>> >>>> > > > 73
>> >>>> > > >
>> >>>> > > > Fernando KF7R
>> >>>> > > >
>> >>>> > > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2020, 11:13 AM Michelle Thompson <
>> >>>> > > > mountain.michelle@?????.???>
>> >>>> > > > wrote:
>> >>>> > > >
>> >>>> > > > > Frank sums up the problems very well.
>> >>>> > > > >
>> >>>> > > > > An organization with unaddressed unauthorized spending could
>> >>>> lose
>> >>>> > > > > opportunities in space. Refusing to even meet to talk about
>> >>>> this and
>> >>>> > > > other
>> >>>> > > > > problems has put the organization at risk. That is what has
>> >>>> happened.
>> >>>> > > > >
>> >>>> > > > > We can't collaborate when we are denied meetings.
>> >>>> > > > >
>> >>>> > > > > We can't have teamwork without collaboration.
>> >>>> > > > >
>> >>>> > > > > I am optimistic things can and will improve.
>> >>>> > > > >
>> >>>> > > > > -Michelle W5NYV
>> >>>> > > > >
>> >>>> > > > >
>> >>>> > > > >
>> >>>> > > > >
>> >>>> > > > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 3:36 AM Frank Bauer via AMSAT-BB <
>> >>>> > > > > amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>> >>>> > > > >
>> >>>> > > > >> >>3. I had e-mailed Clayton Coleman and the Board on 13
>> June,
>> >>>> calling
>> >>>> > > > for
>> >>>> > > > >> a meeting to discuss the announcement of the formation of
>> the
>> >>>> new
>> >>>> > > > ARISS-USA
>> >>>> > > > >> organization, and the effect that would have on AMSAT.
>> >>>> > > > >>
>> >>>> > > > >> I would like to respectfully request for folks to stop
>> trying
>> >>>> to drag
>> >>>> > > > >> ARISS and the new AREx initiative into this political
>> battle.
>> >>>> > > > >>
>> >>>> > > > >> In previous posts, Dave Taylor, W8AAS, the AMSAT delegate to
>> >>>> ARISS,
>> >>>> > > and
>> >>>> > > > I
>> >>>> > > > >> have stated that ARISS-USA became an entity to allow ARISS
>> to
>> >>>> sign
>> >>>> > > > >> agreements (with NASA and others) and seek grants in the
>> ARISS
>> >>>> name.
>> >>>> > > In
>> >>>> > > > >> the past, AMSAT has done that in the US on behalf of ARISS.
>> >>>> The
>> >>>> > > > functional
>> >>>> > > > >> change is that ARISS is assuming for itself some of the
>> tasks
>> >>>> that
>> >>>> > > > AMSAT
>> >>>> > > > >> has donated support to accomplish. (and we thank AMSAT for
>> this
>> >>>> > > donated
>> >>>> > > > >> support!) The good working relationship that ARISS has had
>> >>>> with AMSAT
>> >>>> > > > over
>> >>>> > > > >> the years is NOT changing. For more information, read the
>> >>>> press
>> >>>> > > > release on
>> >>>> > > > >> the new ARISS-USA entity on the ARISS web site
>> www.ariss.org
>> >>>> (6th
>> >>>> > > > >> article down).
>> >>>> > > > >>
>> >>>> > > > >> One item I will remind all of you: Getting into space is
>> HARD.
>> >>>> > > > >> Collaboration and teamwork are essential elements of space
>> >>>> mission
>> >>>> > > > >> success. Infighting and back biting are a recipe for
>> disaster
>> >>>> in
>> >>>> > > > >> organizations and especially in space. If you all continue
>> >>>> these
>> >>>> > > > >> behaviors, you will lose your opportunities to fly your
>> space
>> >>>> missions
>> >>>> > > > of
>> >>>> > > > >> the future. Space agencies and space corporations only want
>> >>>> to work
>> >>>> > > > with
>> >>>> > > > >> folks that are dedicated to mission success. I ask all to
>> get
>> >>>> over
>> >>>> > > your
>> >>>> > > > >> grievances and start working as a team as I would hate to
>> see
>> >>>> AMSAT
>> >>>> > > lose
>> >>>> > > > >> space opportunities and space relationships that have taken
>> >>>> decades to
>> >>>> > > > >> build.
>> >>>> > > > >>
>> >>>> > > > >> 73, Frank Bauer, KA3HDO
>> >>>> > > > >> ARISS-USA Executive Director
>> >>>> > > > >> AMSAT-NA V.P. for Human Spaceflight Programs
>> >>>> > > > >>
>> >>>> > > > >>
>> >>>> > > > >> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>> > > > >> From: Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK) <amsat-bb@??????.???
>> >
>> >>>> > > > >> Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 1:30 AM
>> >>>> > > > >> To: Fernando Ramirez <framirezferrer@?????.???>; AMSAT <
>> >>>> > > > >> amsat-bb@?????.???>
>> >>>> > > > >> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Who Let THIS Info Out?
>> >>>> > > > >>
>> >>>> > > > >> Fernando,
>> >>>> > > > >>
>> >>>> > > > >> Thanks for asking. Yes, I have made calls for meetings, and
>> >>>> there
>> >>>> > > should
>> >>>> > > > >> have been meetings since the last special meeting at the end
>> >>>> of March.
>> >>>> > > > >>
>> >>>> > > > >> 1. Discuss the thousands of dollars in unauthorized spending
>> >>>> on legal
>> >>>> > > > >> expenses since 2018 - a point that is not disputed in the
>> >>>> letter AMSAT
>> >>>> > > > >> President Clayton Coleman sent to members last month.
>> >>>> > > > >>
>> >>>> > > > >> 2. After Robert Bankston's financial report was released in
>> >>>> > > mid-March, I
>> >>>> > > > >> asked for a meeting to discuss the "cost-saving and
>> budgetary
>> >>>> control
>> >>>> > > > >> measures" he started to implement. After many months, Robert
>> >>>> has not
>> >>>> > > > >> discussed these measures. Given the unauthorized spending,
>> it
>> >>>> appears
>> >>>> > > > AMSAT
>> >>>> > > > >> is in dire need of budgetary control measures.
>> >>>> > > > >>
>> >>>> > > > >> 3. I had e-mailed Clayton Coleman and the Board on 13 June,
>> >>>> calling
>> >>>> > > for
>> >>>> > > > a
>> >>>> > > > >> meeting to discuss the announcement of the formation of the
>> new
>> >>>> > > > ARISS-USA
>> >>>> > > > >> organization, and the effect that would have on AMSAT.
>> >>>> > > > >> Clayton informed the Board on 16 June that he would gather
>> his
>> >>>> notes
>> >>>> > > > >> regarding a discussion with Frank Bauer and ARISS-USA, and
>> >>>> review them
>> >>>> > > > with
>> >>>> > > > >> the Board. As of tonight, nothing from Clayton.
>> >>>> > > > >>
>> >>>> > > > >> Michelle has also made calls for meetings. Yet none of the
>> >>>> other 5
>> >>>> > > > >> directors - including the two running for reelection this
>> >>>> summer -
>> >>>> > > have
>> >>>> > > > >> joined our calls for meetings. Clayton could call meetings,
>> >>>> but has
>> >>>> > > > chosen
>> >>>> > > > >> not to. I would be more than happy to discuss these, and
>> other
>> >>>> issues,
>> >>>> > > > >> during an on-the-record Board meeting where minutes are made
>> >>>> available
>> >>>> > > > to
>> >>>> > > > >> AMSAT members.
>> >>>> > > > >>
>> >>>> > > > >> Thank you.
>> >>>> > > > >>
>> >>>> > > > >> Patrick Stoddard, WD9EWK/VA7EWK
>> >>>> > > > >> http://www.wd9ewk.net/
>> >>>> > > > >> Twitter: @?????? or http://twitter.com/WD9EWK
>> >>>> > > > >>
>> >>>> > > > >>
>> >>>> > > > >> _______________________________________________
>> >>>> > > > >> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum
>> >>>> available
>> >>>> > > > >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring
>> >>>> membership.
>> >>>> > > > >> Opinions expressed
>> >>>> > > > >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the
>> >>>> official views
>> >>>> > > of
>> >>>> > > > >> AMSAT-NA.
>> >>>> > > > >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur
>> >>>> satellite
>> >>>> > > > program!
>> >>>> > > > >> Subscription settings:
>> >>>> > > https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>> >>>> > > > >>
>> >>>> > > > >
>> >>>> > > > _______________________________________________
>> >>>> > > > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum
>> >>>> available
>> >>>> > > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring
>> membership.
>> >>>> > > Opinions
>> >>>> > > > expressed
>> >>>> > > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
>> >>>> views of
>> >>>> > > > AMSAT-NA.
>> >>>> > > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur
>> satellite
>> >>>> > > program!
>> >>>> > > > Subscription settings:
>> >>>> https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>> >>>> > > >
>> >>>> > >
>> >>>> > >
>> >>>> > > --
>> >>>> > > Bruce Perens - CEO at stealth startup. I'll tell you what it is
>> >>>> eventually
>> >>>> > > :-)
>> >>>> > > _______________________________________________
>> >>>> > > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum
>> >>>> available
>> >>>> > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> >>>> Opinions
>> >>>> > > expressed
>> >>>> > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
>> >>>> views of
>> >>>> > > AMSAT-NA.
>> >>>> > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>> >>>> program!
>> >>>> > > Subscription settings:
>> >>>> https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>> >>>> > >
>> >>>> > _______________________________________________
>> >>>> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum
>> available
>> >>>> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> >>>> Opinions expressed
>> >>>> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
>> views
>> >>>> of AMSAT-NA.
>> >>>> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>> >>>> program!
>> >>>> > Subscription settings:
>> >>>> https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Bruce Perens - CEO at stealth startup. I'll tell you what it is
>> >> eventually :-)
>> >>
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> Opinions expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>> AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 11:31:21 -0500
From: Jeff Johns <jeff30339@?????.???>
To: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Who Let THIS Info Out?
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> and some use that as a method/means of intimidation or
> suppression of speech.
As admitted by the President in his infamous letter, it was legacy,
incumbent BoDs that were the first to seek legal advice by conspiring to
shut-out Michelle and Patrick in a manner which goes against AMSAT bylaws.
Do you not think that Michelle and Patrick had the right to defend
themselves against this action? Not only were they defending themselves,
they were defending the bylaws of the Corporation. We need more BoDs like
them that are willing to standup to the old guard and meet their bullying
with equal action. Sadly, many AMSAT members know they will be made a target
if they speak out against the old guard or have new ideas and opinions. This
must change or we will only have more of the same. I don?t see Michelle or
Patrick ?running off? any volunteers. In reality, they are trying to change
the culture of AMSAT and make it more welcoming for ALL volunteers, not just
those that are blessed by the old guard. To help continue this work of
change that Michelle and Patrick have sta
rted members can vote for me, Bob and Howie. Otherwise, we will end-up with
the same old, same old and the same culture of cliquish behavior by legacy
incumbents.
Jeff WE4B
http://we4bravo.com
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 09:33:37 -0700
From: Bob Hammond <propgrinder@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: [amsat-bb] Yaeus G-5500 rotator boom mounting
Message-ID:
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How do others attach their fiberglass boom to the elevation rotor on a
G-5500? Just use the boom clamps provided? Make a sleeve to fit between
the smaller fiberglass boom and elevation rotor inside diameter? Drill a
hole and pin it?
All ideas appreciated.
Bob W7OTJ
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 17:46:49 +0100
From: Graham Shirville <graham@?????????.???>
To: Bob Hammond <propgrinder@?????.???>, amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Yaeus G-5500 rotator boom mounting
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Hi Bob,
I had to use two shorter fibreglass poles so I found a short length of
ali pole which was a tight fit INSIDE the fibreglass one. This supports
the glass material where it is being clamped.
To further protect the fibreglass on the outside I slipped some slit
pieces of pvc downpipe underneath the clamps before tightening it.
I am not sure if it is the best answer but it has survived > ten years here.
Good luck
73
Graham G3VZV
On 07/08/2020 17:33, Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> How do others attach their fiberglass boom to the elevation rotor on a
> G-5500? Just use the boom clamps provided? Make a sleeve to fit between
> the smaller fiberglass boom and elevation rotor inside diameter? Drill a
> hole and pin it?
>
> All ideas appreciated.
>
> Bob W7OTJ
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 21:04:44 +0400
From: Jean Marc Momple <jean.marc.momple@?????.???>
To: Graham Shirville <graham@?????????.???>
Cc: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Yaeus G-5500 rotator boom mounting
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Bob,
Suggestion:
Roller paint extension (6m) works very well for booms and many other antenna
application and relatively cheap. In case more strength required one may use
the different size (as telescopic) with some epoxy glue to make the boom
more stiffer. I used same a lot for also collinear verticals, Yagi boom etc..
For the elevation motor boom I use aluminum tube over the fiberglass tube
secured with epoxy glue, so that the clamp does not crush the fiberglass
boom..
73
Jean Marc (3B8DU)
> On Aug 7, 2020, at 8:46 PM, Graham Shirville via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> Hi Bob,
>
> I had to use two shorter fibreglass poles so I found a short length of ali
pole which was a tight fit INSIDE the fibreglass one. This supports the
glass material where it is being clamped.
>
> To further protect the fibreglass on the outside I slipped some slit
pieces of pvc downpipe underneath the clamps before tightening it.
>
> I am not sure if it is the best answer but it has survived > ten years here.
>
> Good luck
>
> 73
>
> Graham G3VZV
>
> On 07/08/2020 17:33, Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB wrote:
>> How do others attach their fiberglass boom to the elevation rotor on a
>> G-5500? Just use the boom clamps provided? Make a sleeve to fit between
>> the smaller fiberglass boom and elevation rotor inside diameter? Drill a
>> hole and pin it?
>>
>> All ideas appreciated.
>>
>> Bob W7OTJ
>> _______________________________________________
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>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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AMSAT-NA.
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 14:02:03 -0400
From: Ed Krome <e.krome@???????.???>
To: Bob Hammond <propgrinder@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT-BB@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Yaeus G-5500 rotator boom mounting
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Just the included clamps have proven adequate for a pair of 12? long yagis.
Ed Krome K9EK
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> On Aug 7, 2020, at 12:35 PM, Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
>
> ?How do others attach their fiberglass boom to the elevation rotor on a
> G-5500? Just use the boom clamps provided? Make a sleeve to fit between
> the smaller fiberglass boom and elevation rotor inside diameter? Drill a
> hole and pin it?
>
> All ideas appreciated.
>
> Bob W7OTJ
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 15:19:00 -0400
From: Joseph Armbruster <josepharmbruster@?????.???>
To: Jeff Johns <jeff30339@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Who Let THIS Info Out?
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Jeff,
Based on the responses that I have received off the list, I really don't
think that's the case by any stretch of the imagination. Falsely
representing AMSATs relationships with other organizations is not going to
benefit AMSAT (or the individuals if they decide do go elsewhere) And, if
you look at some of the individuals who have made an effort to chime-in on
the -bb and then look at the -bb history to see how often those specific
individuals take their time to do so... that says something. The reality
is, AMSAT has good relationships.
I'm not going to play this whole old-guard, new-guard game, because it goes
against everything my prefrontal cortex tells me to do, but at the same
time I am also not going to stand by and remain silent while the
'old-guard' is badgered, until someone gives me a good, technical reason to
do so. So-far, from the -bb, i've learned that Bruce Perens made it 26
letters easier to pass an FCC exam (high five) and Michelle and Patrick are
busy stirring up legal issues for AMSAT. All I can say about that is,
AMSAT never needed to hire an attorney against me personally or anyone else
that I have known since 2008... That says something. Oh, not just me, but
tons of other people. People who built stuff, worked late, got angry at
each other, kicked, screamed, almost had our fingers cut off, burnt, eyes
almost poked out, etc... but, still seemed to have fun and get stuff done. I
will say this, from what I have seen of Patrick and Michelle (-bb and other
observations), they seem like extremely involved people and appear to have
a substantial amount of time on their hands to coordinate. Patrick seems
like he's done tons from an outreach standpoint and Michelle seems like
she'd be a wonderful PR kinda person. But based on the legal letter being
propagated to the -bb and other comments out there, their place is
absolutely not on the board. I think I met Michelle once at the Baltimore
or Orlando symposium, i'm not entirely sure, maybe she remembers. From a
practical standpoint though, I think everyone has a place and could
positively contribute to the group, but the way this is being done is not
right to me. This "fight against the old guard" is entirely fabricated and
appears to be created for political purposes and unfortunately, it's
damaging.
With respects to the public council letter sent to the -bb, that just shows
that for whatever reasons, they are unable to handle issues behind closed
doors. Handling issues like this should be done professionally to preserve
the integrity of the organization. That is a huge issue for me. It's
obviously being done more for political pandering / show than for
substance, hence the posting to the bb in the first place... And yes, you
can say blah-blah-blah about bylaws and claim whatever you want about the
'rule of law' and whatever.... but, laws are there for a reason and think
for a minute about how many other AMSAT members and engineers have
contributed,
helped out and never put AMSAT through any legal issues or threats, for
anything... This is all unfair and not something I want to see
individuals on the board doing. I want to see the engineering stack taken
to the next level. A pile of work went into developing the stack that went
into suitsat/arissat/fox/etc... none of that should be taken for granted
and that level of effort should not be diminished. Oh, and lots of those
in the 'old-guard' made that happen... but that's always conveniently left
out. It seems like everything that's politically been going on since 2018
has been counter to making AMSAT productive, at least politically. Jeff, I
don't really trust anyone you are recommending. Trust is extremely
important to me. People do not trust groups... they trust individuals.
And, trust is earned, on an individual basis, not demanded through legal
council letters. If you can't get a BOD to work with you, you're the
problem. Just imagine what will happen with external groups. Are they
going to get threatened with a legal council letter too?
Remember, a loose cannon can point every direction.
Joseph Armbruster
KJ4JIO
On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 12:35 PM Jeff Johns via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
>
> > and some use that as a method/means of intimidation or
> > suppression of speech.
>
> As admitted by the President in his infamous letter, it was legacy,
> incumbent BoDs that were the first to seek legal advice by conspiring to
> shut-out Michelle and Patrick in a manner which goes against AMSAT bylaws.
> Do you not think that Michelle and Patrick had the right to defend
> themselves against this action? Not only were they defending themselves,
> they were defending the bylaws of the Corporation. We need more BoDs like
> them that are willing to standup to the old guard and meet their bullying
> with equal action. Sadly, many AMSAT members know they will be made a
> target if they speak out against the old guard or have new ideas and
> opinions. This must change or we will only have more of the same. I don?t
> see Michelle or Patrick ?running off? any volunteers. In reality, they are
> trying to change the culture of AMSAT and make it more welcoming for ALL
> volunteers, not just those that are blessed by the old guard. To help
> continue this work of change that Michelle and Patrick have started members
> can vote for me, Bob and Howie. Otherwise, we will end-up with the same
> old, same old and the same culture of cliquish behavior by legacy
> incumbents.
>
> Jeff WE4B
> http://we4bravo.com
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 15:14:45 -0500
From: Jeff Johns <jeff30339@?????.???>
To: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Who Let THIS Info Out?
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Joseph, you most certainly have the right to your opinion just like everyone
else does. As I stated, the President admitted in his letter to the
membership that lawyers were hired in an attempt to shut-out Michelle and
Patrick. This is a fact. These lawyers were hired in violation of bylaws.
This is a fact. I feel quite certain that anyone who had that happen to them
would feel the need to defend themselves which is what Michelle and Patrick
did. Are you saying that, as Directors, they shouldn?t have let us, the
members know what was occurring? Why should they just stay quiet while
bylaws and Washington DC corporate code were broken?
I?m glad that they have been transparent and have exposed what so many of us
suspected was occurring within the clubhouse. The legacy incumbents do treat
it as their clubhouse. Many members feel that way as I also receive ?off the
list? emails.
There is quite a division within AMSAT right now. That?s obvious. This
division seems to stem from the way legacy Directors have been
managing/mismanaging the organization. Because of this, many members have
become disillusioned and upset. Some not renewing memberships. Some no
longer donating. Many members feel that AMSAT has fallen behind others in
our quest to keep amateur radio in space. Because of this, several of us
have decided to run for a spot on the Board. No doubt all of us running will
receive some votes. Some more than others but whomever wins they will need
to realize that there will be those with opposing views. Howie, Bob and I
are willing to listen to the opposition and consider their views. Obviously
they legacy BoDs aren?t because they hired legal counsel in an attempt to
shut out Michelle and Patrick.
We need this cloud removed from AMSAT. As long as the legacy BoD members
maintain power, the cloud will remain. Can you imagine what donors must be
thinking when they have seen the reports (validated by the President?s
letter) of misspending? Remember, the first letter the President published
stated that ?AMSAT denies false allegations?. The President did NOT say the
allegations were false. It was semantics and when he figured out that a lot
of members knew this he attempted to fix this with a second later but, once
again, never denied the allegations. This is what has brought the dark cloud
to AMSAT. If there was no fire, there would be no smoke to form the cloud
over AMSAT. The fire must be extinguished. This can easily be done by
electing me, Howie and Bob.
Once again, I appreciate the volunteer work you do and appreciate your
opinion. All I ask is that you also respect the opinions of others. Trust
me, there are a lot of people who have different views about the BoDs than
you do. Have a great weekend, it looks to be a nice one here which means it
will be great weather for going outside and making satellite QSOs.
Jeff WE4B
http://we4bravo.com
> On Aug 7, 2020, at 2:17 PM, Joseph Armbruster <josepharmbruster@?????.???>
wrote:
>
> ?
> Jeff,
>
> Based on the responses that I have received off the list, I really don't
think that's the case by any stretch of the imagination. Falsely
representing AMSATs relationships with other organizations is not going to
benefit AMSAT (or the individuals if they decide do go elsewhere) And, if
you look at some of the individuals who have made an effort to chime-in on
the -bb and then look at the -bb history to see how often those specific
individuals take their time to do so... that says something. The reality
is, AMSAT has good relationships.
>
> I'm not going to play this whole old-guard, new-guard game, because it
goes against everything my prefrontal cortex tells me to do, but at the same
time I am also not going to stand by and remain silent while the 'old-guard'
is badgered, until someone gives me a good, technical reason to do so.
So-far, from the -bb, i've learned that Bruce Perens made it 26 letters
easier to pass an FCC exam (high five) and Michelle and Patrick are busy
stirring up legal issues for AMSAT. All I can say about that is, AMSAT
never needed to hire an attorney against me personally or anyone else that I
have known since 2008... That says something. Oh, not just me, but tons of
other people. People who built stuff, worked late, got angry at each other,
kicked, screamed, almost had our fingers cut off, burnt, eyes almost poked
out, etc... but, still seemed to have fun and get stuff done. I will say
this, from what I have seen of Patrick and Michelle (-bb and other
observations), they seem like extrem
ely involved people and appear to have a substantial amount of time on
their hands to coordinate. Patrick seems like he's done tons from an
outreach standpoint and Michelle seems like she'd be a wonderful PR kinda
person. But based on the legal letter being propagated to the -bb and other
comments out there, their place is absolutely not on the board. I think I
met Michelle once at the Baltimore or Orlando symposium, i'm not entirely
sure, maybe she remembers. From a practical standpoint though, I think
everyone has a place and could positively contribute to the group, but the
way this is being done is not right to me. This "fight against the old
guard" is entirely fabricated and appears to be created for political
purposes and unfortunately, it's damaging.
>
> With respects to the public council letter sent to the -bb, that just
shows that for whatever reasons, they are unable to handle issues behind
closed doors. Handling issues like this should be done professionally to
preserve the integrity of the organization. That is a huge issue for me.
It's obviously being done more for political pandering / show than for
substance, hence the posting to the bb in the first place... And yes, you
can say blah-blah-blah about bylaws and claim whatever you want about the
'rule of law' and whatever.... but, laws are there for a reason and think
for a minute about how many other AMSAT members and engineers have
contributed, helped out and never put AMSAT through any legal issues or
threats, for anything... This is all unfair and not something I want to
see individuals on the board doing. I want to see the engineering stack
taken to the next level. A pile of work went into developing the stack that
went into suitsat/arissat/fox/etc... none of tha
t should be taken for granted and that level of effort should not be
diminished. Oh, and lots of those in the 'old-guard' made that happen...
but that's always conveniently left out. It seems like everything that's
politically been going on since 2018 has been counter to making AMSAT
productive, at least politically. Jeff, I don't really trust anyone you are
recommending. Trust is extremely important to me. People do not trust
groups... they trust individuals. And, trust is earned, on an individual
basis, not demanded through legal council letters. If you can't get a BOD
to work with you, you're the problem. Just imagine what will happen with
external groups. Are they going to get threatened with a legal council
letter too?
>
> Remember, a loose cannon can point every direction.
>
> Joseph Armbruster
> KJ4JIO
>
>
>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 12:35 PM Jeff Johns via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>>
>> > and some use that as a method/means of intimidation or
>> > suppression of speech.
>>
>> As admitted by the President in his infamous letter, it was legacy,
incumbent BoDs that were the first to seek legal advice by conspiring to
shut-out Michelle and Patrick in a manner which goes against AMSAT bylaws.
Do you not think that Michelle and Patrick had the right to defend
themselves against this action? Not only were they defending themselves,
they were defending the bylaws of the Corporation. We need more BoDs like
them that are willing to standup to the old guard and meet their bullying
with equal action. Sadly, many AMSAT members know they will be made a target
if they speak out against the old guard or have new ideas and opinions. This
must change or we will only have more of the same. I don?t see Michelle or
Patrick ?running off? any volunteers. In reality, they are trying to change
the culture of AMSAT and make it more welcoming for ALL volunteers, not just
those that are blessed by the old guard. To help continue this work of
change that Michelle and Patrick have
started members can vote for me, Bob and Howie. Otherwise, we will end-up
with the same old, same old and the same culture of cliquish behavior by
legacy incumbents.
>>
>> Jeff WE4B
>> http://we4bravo.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
Opinions expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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