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Today's Topics:
1. Re: FT-736 power supply part. (Jim Walls)
2. Re: Who Let THIS Info Out? (David Swanson)
3. Re: Who Let THIS Info Out? (John Brier)
4. Re: Who Let THIS Info Out? (David Swanson)
5. Re: Who Let THIS Info Out? (Bruce Perens)
6. Re: FT-736 power supply part. (Vincenzo Mezzalira)
7. Re: Who Let THIS Info Out? (David Swanson)
8. Re: FT-736 power supply part (Gregory Beat)
9. Re: Who Let THIS Info Out? (Bruce Perens)
10. Re: Who Let THIS Info Out? (Joseph Armbruster)
11. Re: FS: 2019-2020 AMSAT Journal (4 issues) (Rick Walter)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 15:06:35 -0700
From: Jim Walls <jim@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FT-736 power supply part.
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On 08/07/2020 15:04, Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I walked into the shack about a month ago and smelled something
> really hot like the smell from a hot resistor.? Turned off all
> the equipment waited a while then turned everything back on.
>
> The FT-736 didn't come back on, so I assumed the power supply,
> as this is a common problem with the rigs as they get older.
>
> Bought a repair replacement kit for the electrolytic caps
> in the power supply, which is normally the problem. They get
> baked and fail.
>
> Got the power supply out last night to do the repairs and
> I discovered it was the SCR in the power supply that had
> totally burned up. Weird.
>
> Does anyone here have or know a Digi-key or Mouser part
> number for the SCR or an equivalent compatible part?
> It labeled SCR21 on P.C. board.
Vince,
Please either post results here or privately to me about fixing your 736
power supply.? I am in the same position except that I have not done the
caps & resistors replacements yet.? Therefore, I am in an information
sponge mode as I do want to get mine working again. I expect to do the
caps and resistors replacement.
According to the writeup I found for repairing the power supply, there
is a schematic from DL7VHF that shows the SCR that appears to be part of
an over voltage crowbar circuit to be a part 6P4M.? When I did a Google
search for that, there were lots of hits.? This page may be very useful.
https://category.alldatasheet.com/index.jsp?components=scr%25206P4M
Good luck with your repair...
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73
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Jim Walls - K6CCC
jim@?????.???
Ofc: 818-548-4804
http://members.dslextreme.com/users/k6ccc/
AMSAT Member 32537 - WSWSS Member 395
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 17:15:16 -0500
From: David Swanson <dave@?????????????.???>
Cc: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Who Let THIS Info Out?
Message-ID:
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Man I was hoping you'd deny this one.
July 19, 2019 @??????????? "Or, Mark, would you like to discuss this issue
before a fair legal expert? Courts have judges whose job it is to enforce
by-laws of corporations. I think you should back down and admit fault
before you are in a lot more hot water".
I can post screenshots if you'd like, but the thread doesn't get much
better from there.
-Dave, KG5CCI
On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 4:32 PM Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???> wrote:
> I made "numerous legal threats"? I don't think so.
>
> Given what a tremendous whopper that one is, I can't attach any
> credibility to the rest of your statement, except for one thing:
>
> It is true that Michelle and Patrick, and for that matter I, feel that
> AMSAT's NDAs prevent it from being able to achieve a workable ITAR strategy.
>
> You simply can't use the ITAR 120.11 and EAR 734.7 carve-outs AND have
> secret or proprietary portions of any technology listed under the United
> States Munitions List. Once there is secret or proprietary technology, all
> of the nasty restrictions of ITAR are unavoidable.
>
> It is possible to deal with secrets outside of the technology, such as
> launch schedules, and it is possible to compartmentalize some
> ITAR-protected information, for example technology specific to the launch
> which is not necessary for broader cooperations such as designing and
> constructing a satellite.
>
> Thus it is necessary for AMSAT to examine all existing NDAs, separate
> itself from ones that are no longer necessary, and carefully
> compartmentalize any which need to stand for the moment. Michelle and
> Patrick attempted to initiate this process, but have been blocked.
>
> Thanks
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 18:21:27 -0400
From: John Brier <johnbrier@?????.???>
To: Joseph Armbruster <josepharmbruster@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Who Let THIS Info Out?
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In line response below..
On Fri, Aug 7, 2020, 15:21 Joseph Armbruster via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> Michelle seems like
> she'd be a wonderful PR kinda person.
>
If you watch some of her Phase 4 report videos you will see she is very
technical.
https://youtu.be/_ZNshry3sZU
https://youtu.be/ZxS1UTI0_xs
73, John Brier KG4AKV
>
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 17:28:09 -0500
From: David Swanson <dave@?????????????.???>
Cc: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Who Let THIS Info Out?
Message-ID:
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Since we've also just established you are willing to lie repeatedly even in
the face of evidence to the contrary, to address ITAR, you're simply wrong.
The last organization that tried your carve out (DefDist, who you
referenced btw) ended up in Prison. Sure, he 'beat' the US State Department
on his 1 little point, but 30+ State Attorney generals then went after him,
and trumped up charges completely unrelated to his ITAR fight, came out of
left field and got him. There is no "winning" when you make something
political - one way or another city hall will always get even. Since I'm
sure you'll just dig in with your typical "NUH UH" BS if you so righteously
believe you can get away with open sourcing everything, then why not take
ORI there and prove AMSAT wrong.... You of course won't, because you
wouldn't be able to walk away after 2 years and claim success while never
seeing something thru. You'd rather goad AMSAT into picking the fight,
claim how you 'invented' something and then move on to your next pot to
stir while AMSAT is left holding the bag.
In case this last lie wasn't enough, how about your claim that ARISS walked
away? Lie. How about the lie that people have been blocked from seeing the
BoD minutes? Lie. How about the lie about Brennen being pressured this
year? I mean seriously dude, do you actually know how to tell the truth? So
why in the world would we trust anything you have to say about ITAR?
-Dave, KG5CCI
On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 4:32 PM Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???> wrote:
> I made "numerous legal threats"? I don't think so.
>
> Given what a tremendous whopper that one is, I can't attach any
> credibility to the rest of your statement, except for one thing:
>
> It is true that Michelle and Patrick, and for that matter I, feel that
> AMSAT's NDAs prevent it from being able to achieve a workable ITAR strategy.
>
> You simply can't use the ITAR 120.11 and EAR 734.7 carve-outs AND have
> secret or proprietary portions of any technology listed under the United
> States Munitions List. Once there is secret or proprietary technology, all
> of the nasty restrictions of ITAR are unavoidable.
>
> It is possible to deal with secrets outside of the technology, such as
> launch schedules, and it is possible to compartmentalize some
> ITAR-protected information, for example technology specific to the launch
> which is not necessary for broader cooperations such as designing and
> constructing a satellite.
>
> Thus it is necessary for AMSAT to examine all existing NDAs, separate
> itself from ones that are no longer necessary, and carefully
> compartmentalize any which need to stand for the moment. Michelle and
> Patrick attempted to initiate this process, but have been blocked.
>
> Thanks
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 15:41:22 -0700
From: Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???>
To: David Swanson <dave@?????????????.???>
Cc: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Who Let THIS Info Out?
Message-ID:
<CAK2MWOs9_kzB_LqX2UhvGrp7GQZ1U9aK1FP6xey=aRPLWd-biw@????.?????.???>
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I haven't been deleting tweets, so send the URLs. Screenshots are easy to
fake.
On Fri, Aug 7, 2020, 3:36 PM David Swanson via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> Man I was hoping you'd deny this one.
>
> July 19, 2019 @??????????? "Or, Mark, would you like to discuss this issue
> before a fair legal expert? Courts have judges whose job it is to enforce
> by-laws of corporations. I think you should back down and admit fault
> before you are in a lot more hot water".
>
> I can post screenshots if you'd like, but the thread doesn't get much
> better from there.
>
> -Dave, KG5CCI
>
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 4:32 PM Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???> wrote:
>
> > I made "numerous legal threats"? I don't think so.
> >
> > Given what a tremendous whopper that one is, I can't attach any
> > credibility to the rest of your statement, except for one thing:
> >
> > It is true that Michelle and Patrick, and for that matter I, feel that
> > AMSAT's NDAs prevent it from being able to achieve a workable ITAR
> strategy.
> >
> > You simply can't use the ITAR 120.11 and EAR 734.7 carve-outs AND have
> > secret or proprietary portions of any technology listed under the United
> > States Munitions List. Once there is secret or proprietary technology,
> all
> > of the nasty restrictions of ITAR are unavoidable.
> >
> > It is possible to deal with secrets outside of the technology, such as
> > launch schedules, and it is possible to compartmentalize some
> > ITAR-protected information, for example technology specific to the launch
> > which is not necessary for broader cooperations such as designing and
> > constructing a satellite.
> >
> > Thus it is necessary for AMSAT to examine all existing NDAs, separate
> > itself from ones that are no longer necessary, and carefully
> > compartmentalize any which need to stand for the moment. Michelle and
> > Patrick attempted to initiate this process, but have been blocked.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2020 00:50:04 +0200
From: Vincenzo Mezzalira <vincenzo.mezzalira@?????.??>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FT-736 power supply part.
Message-ID: <dd54e0fd-1525-5ba4-a469-dd39640685c0@?????.??>
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Hi Vince.
I don't think NEC thyristor 6P4M is in production yet but futurlec.com
seems to have it in stock.
Hope this helps.
73 Vincenzo IW3FOL
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"La vita e' come l'impronta che lascia una gru solitaria sulla neve,
visibile per un attimo e poi non piu'"
(Su Dongpo)
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Vincenzo Mezzalira
Universita' di Padova
Dipartimento di Fisica e Astronomia
Vicolo dell'Osservatorio n. 3
35122 PADOVA
ITALY
tel. +39-0498278249
fax +39-0498278212
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 17:53:17 -0500
From: David Swanson <dave@?????????????.???>
Cc: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Who Let THIS Info Out?
Message-ID:
<CANq+eyVJGq7TPtz7sFenpLidrBF=C2CMiMfkH8qA-3fV6KWXPg@????.?????.???>
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I can't post a link Bruce, you've blocked me on twitter. Just like Michelle
blocked me last year and swears she didn't, or it must have been a twitter
bug or something. Now I'm being accused of faking screenshots. When it
comes to you and your party up is down, left is right, and Oceania has
always been at war with Eastasia. Keep repeating your lies enough, and the
plebes will fall in line. Orwell would be so proud.
-Dave, KG5CCI
On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 5:42 PM Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???> wrote:
> I haven't been deleting tweets, so send the URLs. Screenshots are easy to
> fake.
>
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020, 3:36 PM David Swanson via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
>> Man I was hoping you'd deny this one.
>>
>> July 19, 2019 @??????????? "Or, Mark, would you like to discuss this issue
>> before a fair legal expert? Courts have judges whose job it is to enforce
>> by-laws of corporations. I think you should back down and admit fault
>> before you are in a lot more hot water".
>>
>> I can post screenshots if you'd like, but the thread doesn't get much
>> better from there.
>>
>> -Dave, KG5CCI
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 4:32 PM Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???> wrote:
>>
>> > I made "numerous legal threats"? I don't think so.
>> >
>> > Given what a tremendous whopper that one is, I can't attach any
>> > credibility to the rest of your statement, except for one thing:
>> >
>> > It is true that Michelle and Patrick, and for that matter I, feel that
>> > AMSAT's NDAs prevent it from being able to achieve a workable ITAR
>> strategy.
>> >
>> > You simply can't use the ITAR 120.11 and EAR 734.7 carve-outs AND have
>> > secret or proprietary portions of any technology listed under the United
>> > States Munitions List. Once there is secret or proprietary technology,
>> all
>> > of the nasty restrictions of ITAR are unavoidable.
>> >
>> > It is possible to deal with secrets outside of the technology, such as
>> > launch schedules, and it is possible to compartmentalize some
>> > ITAR-protected information, for example technology specific to the
>> launch
>> > which is not necessary for broader cooperations such as designing and
>> > constructing a satellite.
>> >
>> > Thus it is necessary for AMSAT to examine all existing NDAs, separate
>> > itself from ones that are no longer necessary, and carefully
>> > compartmentalize any which need to stand for the moment. Michelle and
>> > Patrick attempted to initiate this process, but have been blocked.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > Bruce
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> Opinions expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>> AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>
>
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 18:06:41 -0500
From: Gregory Beat <w9gb@??????.???>
To: vlfiscus@???.???? amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FT-736 power supply part
Message-ID: <C035113B-2B35-4852-9172-523ECF25020C@??????.???>
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DL7VHF placed the FT-736R SMPS schematic diagram on Last Pages
http://www.catlog.net/_Descarregas/Manuals/03-Yaesu/Yaesu%20FT-736R-PS-Repair.
pdf
SCR21 : marked: TH21 5P4M
NEC 5P4M, 5A, 400V Thyristor in a TO-220 case,
==
Possible substitutes: Phillips BT258-500R , STMicroelectronics TYN608
https://www.digikey.com/products/en/discrete-semiconductor-products/thyristors
-scrs/281
NTE 5424 appears to be suitable substitute.
https://www.nteinc.com/specs/5400to5499/pdf/nte5424.pdf
Digi-Key F7250-ND (Littlefuse S4008LTP)
SCR 400V, 8A Standard Recovery, TO-220AB-L, Isolated Tab
https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/littelfuse-inc/S4008LTP/F7250-ND/581
9416
Littlefuse Data Sheet
https://www.littelfuse.com/~/media/electronics/datasheets/switching_thyristors
/littelfuse_thyristor_sxx08xsx_sxx08x_datasheet.pdf.pdf
greg
w9gb
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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2020 16:04:16 -0600
From: "Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL" <vlfiscus@???.???>
To: AMSAT-BB
Subject: [amsat-bb] FT-736 power supply part
Hi All,
I walked into the shack about a month ago and smelled something
really hot like the smell from a hot resistor. Turned off all
the equipment waited a while then turned everything back on.
The FT-736 didn't come back on, so I assumed the power supply,
as this is a common problem with the rigs as they get older.
Bought a repair replacement kit for the electrolytic caps
in the power supply, which is normally the problem. They get
baked and fail.
Got the power supply out last night to do the repairs and
I discovered it was the SCR in the power supply that had
totally burned up. Weird.
Does anyone here have or know a Digi-key or Mouser part
number for the SCR or an equivalent compatible part?
It labeled SCR21 on P.C. board.
Thanks
Vince
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 16:16:32 -0700
From: Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???>
To: David Swanson <dave@?????????????.???>
Cc: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Who Let THIS Info Out?
Message-ID:
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On Fri, Aug 7, 2020, 3:42 PM David Swanson via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> Sure, he 'beat' the US State Department
> on his 1 little point, but 30+ State Attorney generals then went after him,
> and trumped up charges completely unrelated to his ITAR fight, came out of
> left field and got him.
So let's get this straight. Cody Wilson was sentenced to 7 years probation,
not prison, after he pleaded guilty to having sex with an underage girl.
There was plea-bargaining involved. However, it is really far from a sure
thing that this has anything to do with the defense distributed case.
To extend your argument, you are arguing that we should not use the
explicit carve-outs in ITAR and EAR because a state, not even the federal
government, might thus be inspired to bring specious sexual assault charges
against AMSAT.
I think it's fair to say this is out of left field conspiracy theorism
rather than any sort of legal strategy.
how about your claim that ARISS walked away?
I wrote that I was going to assume they walked off until told otherwise.
This falls pretty far short of a "claim". Frank immediately corrected me
and I accepted his correction quite publicly.
How about the lie about Brennen being pressured this year?
>
You mean "Brennan". His reply was: "I have made decisions on a number of
issues that warranted discussion both before and after the fact, and I
believe I've made at least one call with which every candidate would have
rather me made another by now. These discussions, even when ending in
disagreement, have universally been conducted with professionalism and in
the absence of the vigor that one may detect here."
I also accepted Brennan's report quite publicly.
In both cases I said something a little inflammatory in order to draw out
the people involved to make their own reports. It worked in both cases.
When they made those reports, I was quick to publicly show my acceptance
and support of them. This is a strategy I learned in rhetorics class. Yes,
it's manipulative. No, its purpose is not to propagate a lie.
Thanks
Bruce
>
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 19:30:57 -0400
From: Joseph Armbruster <josepharmbruster@?????.???>
To: Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???>
Cc: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Who Let THIS Info Out?
Message-ID:
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Bruce,
I'll be Frank with you (no pun intended...). But, I really had to take a
deep breath just now and release it slowly a few times, and re-read this
email, completely, before sending it... I witnessed my dad being shot in an
armed robbery down in liberty city (south FL) when I was 9 years old. It
happened at my grandmas house on the car port, right across miami dade
community college, south campus. My dad took a point blank bullet to the
head after we got home from picking up groceries. So, no... a police
officer never kneeled on MY neck but I have seen the absolute worst that
humanity has to offer. And I treat every single human, with the same
suspicion that those guys instilled in me on that day while approaching my
family up the driveway. He was shot for $0.75c out of my moms purse. Oh!
And, the officers falsely accused my parents of a drug-deal gone bad...
which was a false accusation.... But, this didn't make me hate every gun
owner, nor police officer on Earth.
That being said, I really had no opportunities of doing any amateur radio
stuff as a kid or through college mostly due to life circumstances /
finance. I graduated from high school in 1999, graduated from UCF in
2004. At UCF I hung out with many of the HAMs there, hung out in the
physics lab, hacked at code/hardware with many... This is back when the
amateur radio group was on the top floor of the math and physics building
at UCF and when the campus administration allowed antennas on top of the
building and allowed the club to maintain them. I remember going to the
top of the building and looking down, it was cool! I remember at some
point, the administration people told the club they had to take their
antennas down because they "didn't like the view" from the admin building
(which was within their view across the reflection pond in front of the
library). I wasn't very involved with radio much back then, but I remember
hearing my friends complain and thinking to myself "these admin people are
really angry about people wanting to mess with radio at a college
campus??!? Don't they have better things to worry about?!?!?" It was
wrong, but I didn't know any better at the time and didn't bother trying to
do anything about it. I was busy just trying to pass my classes... In the
end, the antennas had to be moved. Looking back at this now, I feel this
was a failure of UCF Administration. UCF gets a lot of attention today and
they are my school, but they really screwed the amateur radio club there
when I was present and i'll never forget that. The location of the ham
club was perfect and so was the location of the antennas, admin really
destroyed a perfectly good thing, in the name of "looking nice". At that
time in college, I was never really motivated to get a license for any
reason (it cost $). I worked the entire time throughout college, various
jobs, from LA Fittness, Barnes and Noble, the math lab at UCF, the computer
labs on campus, as a teaching assistant and a programmer at the Institute
for Simulation and Training here in Orlando. After I graduated college, I
started working, got married and started a family around 2007. We took a
vacation and my uncle was showing me his ham HF equipment (this was in a
different country in south america) while I was on vacation, which really
got me interested in it. After that exposure, I decided to get my license
when I returned and I got serious about it. After contacting a local
amateur radio club about getting a license, there were some AMSAT guys
there and they took me under their wing... without any reservation. And
let me be clear, Several AMSAT Volunteers (and club members) took me under
their wing and taught me almost everything I know about radio).. These
"OLD" volunteers taught me machining, tons of interesting electronics/fab
tricks, propagation, network analyzer intricacies, cable creation. These
people asked for nothing in return, Nothing!! These are really amazing,
giving, people. I even went to a teach-in with a few people at a school
here in Orlando with the local school. This group of people exposed me to
a world of knowledge that I did not receive as a kid in high school or even
in college. I went through an entire computer science program, with all
the math / physics (more graduate level than most), and never was exposed
to RF.... Really... AMSAT (and the local amateur radio groups) are really
the root-cause of my advancement. And, AMSAT was the primer.
On a side-note, they also exposed me to what it means to volunteer for
something. What it actually means to volunteer. I had never seen people
'donate time' or 'donate effort' ever in my youth, because that concept
didn't exist... I don't know if many on the -b actually get this or not,
but everyone I observed in my youth was always just working and focused on
surviving financially. The volunteers at AMSAT, were just giving awaytheir
time, for the love of the game.... to a bunch of people they didn't
know!!!! Umm... that's an incredible concept. Time is the most valuable
commodity in life, hence, why I feel the way I do. I've seen nothing but
positive, constructive, helpful representation from AMSAT. And, I am
indebted to the individuals and organization for this and I will be for the
rest of my life. If I didn't feel this way, I wouldn't spend my time
writing this (and i'm a fast typer, average 110wpm on my daily keyboard, 80
maybe on someone else' without practice).
So, fast-foward to 2014 and right now. I'm not a hundred-thousandaire or
millionaire, but I run my own small business, have employees and I am
focused on software + hardware + machining. Some of the skills that I
utilize now, I picked up as a result of these "old guys" who volunteered
their time to teach me. So many people at AMSAT donated their time,
to unknowingly Educate me, in one way or another. AMSAT has an absolutely
amazing conglomeration of personalities, engineering experiences, political
beliefs, technical and non-technical experiences. None of these should be
overshadowed. Many people in AMSAT have really changed my life and I know
that I am not the only one that feels this way. As a result, I take all of
this very personally. Maybe this is just my own experience and maybe i'm
the only one... but.. None of these people hired lawyers against me, ever.
Like anything else in life, all that really matters is the people. I hope
the people that prevail in this election are able to propagate the same
characteristics and values that the people of AMSAT have shown me in the
past.
Joseph Armbruster
KJ4JIO
On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 5:42 PM Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???> wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020, 2:11 PM Joseph Armbruster via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
>>
>> This sure makes me wonder, why didn't AMSAT ever do this against me or the
>> tons of volunteers and engineers before me? You can't tell me this is the
>> first case of some problem...
>>
>
> Joseph,
>
> And no police officer ever kneeled on _your_ neck, or your friends, so it
> must be the Black person's problem, right?
>
> It's the exact same argument.
>
> There has been no shortage of conflict between AMSAT management and
> volunteers. I have a long list of people whom I know were the major
> developers of previous AMSAT missions, who we don't see here any longer.
>
> As I said previously, no one hired lawyers against you because you did not
> act as opposition to the incumbent board.
>
>>
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 19:31:01 -0400
From: Rick Walter <wb3csy@?????.???>
To: John Geiger <af5cc2@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FS: 2019-2020 AMSAT Journal (4 issues)
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John, I assume you realize members can download them for free.
RIck
On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 5:23 PM John Geiger via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> I have for sale 4 issues of the AMSAT journal from 2019-2020, which
> include the July/August 2019, September/October 2019, November/December
> 2019, and January/February 2020 issues. These are all in good condition and
> contain lots of good information about the satellites and amateur radio in
> space. I am asking $12 shipped for the set and can take paypal/check/MO.
>
> 73 John AF5CC
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