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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Another call for forensic accounting and an inventory
(Chris Hoffman)
2. Let's Talk Sats (Brad Smith)
3. ME to HI for WAS--Possible at present? (Stephen DeVience)
4. Re: ME to HI for WAS--Possible at present? (Jeff Johns)
5. Re: ME to HI for WAS--Possible at present? (Stephan Greene)
6. Re: Another call for forensic accounting and an inventory
(Joseph B. Fitzgerald)
7. Trying AGAIN (Gerald Payton)
8. Re: Another call for forensic accounting and an inventory
(Bruce Perens)
9. Re: Another call for forensic accounting and an inventory
(H. Stephen Nipper)
10. Re: Another call for forensic accounting and an inventory
(Bruce Perens)
11. Re: Another call for forensic accounting and an inventory
(H. Stephen Nipper)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 11:38:48 -0700
From: Chris Hoffman <cq.kg6o@?????.???>
To: Joseph Armbruster <josepharmbruster@?????.???>, AMSAT BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Another call for forensic accounting and an
inventory
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That was my mistake, Joseph.
I, too, am sorry for the misrepresentation.
/ch
On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 11:26 AM Joseph Armbruster <
josepharmbruster@?????.???> wrote:
> Chris,
>
> I am not in Any position of leadership within AMSAT. And I have not meant
> to mis-represent myself as one if I ever did. I'm just a life-member.
>
> Joseph Armbruster
> KJ4JIO
>
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 1:51 PM Chris Hoffman <cq.kg6o@?????.???> wrote:
>
>> Each thread has a topic, and members are not incapable of intentionally
>> ignoring threads by looking at the subject line.
>>
>>
>> Remember those little boxy things that are whipping around the world that
>>> we enjoy and have fun, learn, develop expertise, and just chat with like
>>> people. Please knock off the BS!
>>> 73 Bob W7LRD
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Bob and Joseph, as a dues-pyaing AMSAT member, I'm sorry to
>> inconvenience you with my own '...BS,' however, please understand that --to
>> me-- these "...the small things are complicated' or "...watch the birdie"
>> misdirections, and the "...everyone is tired of it, so please knock it
>> off!" comments can serve to undermine your standing as Trusted Leadership
>> in the eyes of Interested Members by making it look as if the board and
>> leadership really do have something to hide.
>>
>> If this is not the correct venue, then what is?
>>
>> Put another way, why even respond to these questions in the Email
>> Threads?
>>
>> Also, Is wishing people would just stop griping and just enjoy the view
>> really a successful strategy?
>>
>>
>> Seeing these comments as you both speak from a position of leadership
>> makes me worry that AMSAT may be lost in the woods, and not on an
>> intentional path. At the moment, I can see NO better forum than an email
>> list to express these concerns, and to suggest that this should not happen
>> is... galling. Fundamentally, I see your comment as deprecating and
>> dismissive of Members in Good Standing who are using the only venue
>> apparently available with any significant level of accountability to air
>> their concerns.
>>
>> There have been some important and simple questions asked: Why hasn't the
>> board of an organization to which members pay dues address some valid
>> questions and show that they are acting in good faith, let alone convene in
>> order to do so? What was really behind the irregular use of funds paid to a
>> law firm, and why was it handled that way? Your membership is smart enough
>> to gain their Ham Radio license, and information is shared more broadly and
>> easily than ever before, so it should be no surprise that a "...you just
>> would not understand, so trust us" response --or silence-- may not have the
>> desired effect.
>>
>> Do you understand that it is some of your comments, combined with
>> [in-]actions --and not the legitimate questions being raised-- which
>> undermine the confidence we have in the board and leadership? At this
>> point, given the proven and highly irregular actions of the board '... we
>> are making progress,' from the board may not be a sufficient answer to keep
>> the Rabble at a low din.
>>
>>
>> How about we turn this conversation to 'real' subject matter, then?
>> AMSAT is still the preeminent forum within the US to provide new Amateur
>> Radio Satellites. From my chair, however, given how seemingly few AMSAT
>> OSCAR satellites are work-able in-orbit, I'd say we are not as successful
>> in that effort as we have been in the past, and I would like to know why.
>> Can leadership answer these questions for me:
>> - Has a committee been convened to understand what happened with Husky
>> Sat?
>> - What is the full project plan, set of milestones, and real status of
>> GOLF-TEE?
>> - Where does AMSAT stand WRT launch strategies, and can we expect to see
>> more operational FM and Transponder birds any time soon?
>> - How is AMSAT now involved in helping schools get more satellites into
>> the sky, and how is that effort changing?
>> - What resources does AMSAT require to make these things happen?
>> - We are geeks and enthusiasts and funders, and we want to know: how we
>> can help?
>>
>> Respectfully,
>>
>> Chris Hoffman
>> N6QR
>> Amsat member # *54687432*
>>
>> (Please email me directly if you would like my cell phone number)
>>
>>
>>> > On 08/09/2020 5:07 PM Jeff Johns via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > > If AMSAT had regular board meetings, preferably monthly, then things
>>> like this would be taken care of quickly and efficiently.
>>> > >
>>> > > We would all be reading detailed minutes about all the "boring
>>> ordinary" stuff that should be going on - in the Journal.
>>> >
>>> > Exactly! A forensic audit may not be simple but I would hope that
>>> someone within AMSAT could produce a list of physical assets which could
be
>>> checked to make sure they are still in AMSAT?s control and inventory. Does
>>> a list of assets exist?
>>> >
>>> > It doesn?t matter who wins this election. The dark cloud over AMSAT
>>> will remain until the members and donors are satisfied that their is no
>>> malfeasance that has, or is, taking place within AMSAT. All the members
and
>>> donors can see the smoke and there?s no smoke unless there?s a fire.
>>> >
>>> > It saddens me that no legacy BoD member or Officer running against me
>>> will step-up and join me in requesting that a third-party audit AMSAT.
Like
>>> I said, there wouldn?t be any smoke if there wasn?t a fire. This leads
many
>>> members to wonder what else is being hidden. There may well be nothing
>>> being hidden but enough has been uncovered that a jury of average people
>>> would not be convinced. There?s a simple way to make the bad thoughts that
>>> members and donors have. Allow a full audit and inventory of AMSAT?s
>>> finances and inventory.
>>> >
>>> > Jeff WE4B
>>> > http://we4bravo.com
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>>> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>>> Opinions expressed
>>> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
>>> of AMSAT-NA.
>>> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>>> program!
>>> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>>> Opinions expressed
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>>> AMSAT-NA.
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>>>
>>
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 18:58:54 +0000 (UTC)
From: Brad Smith <corlissbs@???.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: [amsat-bb] Let's Talk Sats
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In a message dated 8/10/2020 1:43:51 PM Central Standard Time,
amsat-bb-request@?????.??? writes: ?<1) We need a separate mailing list for
campaign issues in campaign season.>?If there was a separate mailing list
for campaign issues, very few people would see or read them. Sadly, there
are enough of the uninterested and uninformed now. This organization has to
be more than just pointing an antenna into the sky and forgetting that
anything else exists, or sooner or later there will be nothing to point to.?
Brad KC9UQR
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 14:17:55 -0500
From: Stephen DeVience <sjdevience@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: [amsat-bb] ME to HI for WAS--Possible at present?
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Google maps shows that Bangor ME to the coast of Hawaii is about 8200 km.
Based on the QSO distance records, you're within range for AO-7 and RS-44.
*RS-44 ? 8,357 km.* W5CBF in EM30jf35qi <> DL4EA in JN48ko94cw. 26-May-2020
at 23:07 UTC. (Source: W5CBF)
*AO-7 (B) ? 8,204.592 km. *F4DXV in JN14CH76<> KE9AJ in DM79IQ58.
10-Aug-2020 at 17:49 UTC. (Source: F4DXV)
I know there's some software out there that can tell you what passes to use
given the two locations.
-Stephen, N8URE
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 14:50:09 -0500
From: Jeff Johns <jeff30339@?????.???>
To: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ME to HI for WAS--Possible at present?
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> I know there's some software out there that can tell you what passes to use
> given the two locations.
http://satmatch.com can easily let you know when it?s possible.
Jeff WE4B
http://we4bravo.com
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 16:54:40 -0400
From: Stephan Greene <ks1g04@?????.???>
To: Amsat-bb <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Cc: Wes Baden <badencapecod@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ME to HI for WAS--Possible at present?
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Wes: I'm at 49 states on satellite and I've looked into this from FM18 and
sites within the 50 mile WAS radius, Take a look at satmatch.com, and try
AO-7 and RS-44 with various combinations of grids on the Big Island, maybe
eastern Oahu, etc., and locations within your 50 mile WAS circle (Mt W is
too far, would still be cool!) that have EXCELLENT horizons to the west
(I'm checking sites along Skyline Drive in VA as my best bet). For me,
there are possibilities with passes at 1-2 deg, and I may have to wait
until the orbital movement puts apogee in the right spot. There is an
active ham on Oahu, but he has terrain blocking the way for working low
elevations to the east.
So I STRONGLY support GOLF as a return to higher orbits; it's probably
cheaper than a GoFundMe to send someone with a 9700 to the Big Island for a
week or 2. Definitely cheaper than a time machine to gell my younger self
during the AO13 and 40 days to WORK SOMEONE IN HAWAII WHILE YOU CAN! :)
73 Steve KS1G
On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 2:23 PM <badencapecod@?????.???> wrote:
> From: Wes Baden <badencapecod@?????.???>
>
> Subject: [amsat-bb] ME to HI for WAS--Possible at present?
> Any ideas about the following? My QTH is in Maine, FN54, 120 feet ASL. I'm
> closing in on WAS, but the problem is going to be Hawaii. From my rough
> calculations, I need a SAT that has a 4500+ mile footprint, meaning an
> apogee of 1200+ miles, and even then any operating window will be pretty
> short. Current MEO satellites do not seem to offer a window quite that
> big, or am I missing something? In theory, I guess, I could go to Mt.
> Washington, NH (fortunately only 90 miles away) and a KH6 could go up on a
> volcanic peak there, to try to make use of over-the-horizon signal
> bending. But I'm not sure if even that would work at the present time, and
> in any case I can wait if a better MEO or an HEO bird is in the offing in
> the next few years. Does anyone know if ME-HI will be possible in the
> future, and if so when? WAS SAT is on my bucket list. Of course I envy
> all of you to the west of me, who can contact HI, but on the other hand it
> is nice to be only 3200 or so from London, 3800 miles from Berlin. We are
> all prisoners of our locations, at least until another HEO satellite is in
> orbit again. Thanks for feedback. And by the way, I'm always happy to
> sked with anyone needing FN54, not the rarest grid in ME but a challenge
> for many stations, especially out west or so they tell me.
>
> 73, Wes NA1ME
>
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 21:11:31 +0000
From: "Joseph B. Fitzgerald" <jfitzgerald@????.???.???>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Another call for forensic accounting and an
inventory
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Chris,
To be clear, I am another Joseph who is just an AMSAT member/worker bee.
The answers to some of your questions are available from official AMSAT
sources.
>>
>> If this is not the correct venue, then what is?
>>
>From the "Acceptable Use Policy for the AMSAT Public Mailing Lists" in
relevant part:
"Examples of on-topic posts include ... [d]iscussion of AMSAT plans and
policies ..."
>> - Has a committee been convened to understand what happened with Husky
>> Sat?
See the report from AMSAT Vice President - Engineering Jerry Buxton, N0JY at:
https://www.amsat.org/ans-194-amsat-news-service-weekly-bulletins-for-july-12t
h/
>> - What is the full project plan, set of milestones, and real status of
>> GOLF-TEE?
https://www.amsat.org/greater-orbit-larger-footprint-an-introduction-to-the-am
sat-golf-program/
>> - Where does AMSAT stand WRT launch strategies, and can we expect to see
>> more operational FM and Transponder birds any time soon?
>> - How is AMSAT now involved in helping schools get more satellites into
>> the sky, and how is that effort changing?
RadFXSat-2/Fox1E is completed and waiting for launch on the NASA's ELaNa 20
mission.
Launch date is "TBD". See:
https://www.nasa.gov/content/upcoming-elana-cubesat-launches
Additionally, AMSAT recently announced a partnership with the University of
Maine:
https://www.amsat.org/amsat-partners-with-umaines-wise-net-lab-to-develop-main
es-first-small-satellite/
>> - What resources does AMSAT require to make these things happen?
>> - We are geeks and enthusiasts and funders, and we want to know: how we
>> can help?
>>
Volunteers and donations are key to making things happen:
https://www.amsat.org/volunteer-for-amsat/
https://www.amsat.org/donate/
73 de KM1P Joe
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 22:51:27 +0000
From: Gerald Payton <gp_ab5r@???????.???>
To: "amsat-bb@?????.???? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Trying AGAIN
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I've tried several times to post to the BB but nothing ever showed! I'll
try again, please Mr. Moderator, whoever you are.
I purchased and downloaded the "Getting Started" booklet but having problems
printing the PDF. It successfully printed pages through Chapter 8 "Digital
Modes" and quit. Regardless what I have tried, printing the remainder has
been fruitless. As you know that eliminates the "Satellite Reference Guide"
and "appendices" sections.
I do not believe that this is a local printer problem as it works perfectly
on any and all documents and PDFs that I try.
Has anyone else experienced this problem? A fix?
73,
Jerry AB5R
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 16:49:31 -0700
From: Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???>
To: "Joseph B. Fitzgerald" <jfitzgerald@????.???.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Another call for forensic accounting and an
inventory
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On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 2:14 PM Joseph B. Fitzgerald via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> Volunteers and donations are key to making things happen:
>
Even in normal times, we would like to see that our donations are properly
and efficiently directed to projects that matter. Members and other donors
become reluctant when they see the organization:
* Spends money from its general fund on a legal pursuit against its own
members.
* Diverts a large earmarked donation from an individual to another purpose
than that specified by the donor.
* Makes significant financial decisions that do not appear in any board or
committee minutes.
* Declines calls to hold board meetings regularly, or when requested by
directors, which would make decisions visible to the membership.
* Spends 3/4 of membership dues on salary (from 2018 Form 990).
* Declines calls to make a full financial accounting to the membership.
Thanks
Bruce
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 18:17:55 -0600
From: "H. Stephen Nipper" <stephennipper@?????.???>
To: Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Another call for forensic accounting and an
inventory
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Give us a break. You can only beat the horse so many times, that people
stop listening.
On Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 5:51 PM Bruce Perens via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 2:14 PM Joseph B. Fitzgerald via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> >
> > Volunteers and donations are key to making things happen:
> >
>
> Even in normal times, we would like to see that our donations are properly
> and efficiently directed to projects that matter. Members and other donors
> become reluctant when they see the organization:
>
> * Spends money from its general fund on a legal pursuit against its own
> members.
> * Diverts a large earmarked donation from an individual to another purpose
> than that specified by the donor.
> * Makes significant financial decisions that do not appear in any board or
> committee minutes.
> * Declines calls to hold board meetings regularly, or when requested by
> directors, which would make decisions visible to the membership.
> * Spends 3/4 of membership dues on salary (from 2018 Form 990).
> * Declines calls to make a full financial accounting to the membership.
>
> Thanks
>
> Bruce
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 17:26:43 -0700
From: Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???>
To: "H. Stephen Nipper" <stephennipper@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Another call for forensic accounting and an
inventory
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On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 5:18 PM H. Stephen Nipper <stephennipper@?????.???>
wrote:
> Give us a break. You can only beat the horse so many times, that people
> stop listening.
>
OK. I was trying to respond to Joseph's point, which was, to paraphrase,
that nothing happens without donations. My point is that you have to appear
worthy of donations. I will assume that you understand that now :-)
Thanks
Bruce
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 18:32:17 -0600
From: "H. Stephen Nipper" <stephennipper@?????.???>
To: Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Another call for forensic accounting and an
inventory
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Correct. That is why I made a cash donation to the legal fund. I think we
realize that in September more money will be needed.
I read your webpage where you told people to keep posting this stuff. We
have heard it so many times you are hurting your cause.
On Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 6:26 PM Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???> wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 5:18 PM H. Stephen Nipper <stephennipper@?????.???>
> wrote:
>
>> Give us a break. You can only beat the horse so many times, that people
>> stop listening.
>>
>
> OK. I was trying to respond to Joseph's point, which was, to paraphrase,
> that nothing happens without donations. My point is that you have to appear
> worthy of donations. I will assume that you understand that now :-)
>
> Thanks
>
> Bruce
>
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