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Today's Topics:
1. Some benefits of open source sats that I envision
(Stephen DeVience)
2. Re: Open Source Satellite Work Determined to be Free of ITAR
(Bruce Perens)
3. Re: Transparency and Double Standards (John Brier)
4. Board Election Candidates (Gerald Payton)
5. Re: Transparency and Double Standards (E.Mike McCardel)
6. Re: Transparency and Double Standards (Bruce Perens)
7. List of Board Candidates? (Gerald Payton)
8. Re: Transparency and Double Standards (E.Mike McCardel)
9. Election Candidate List? (Gerald Payton)
10. Re: Transparency and Double Standards (Jeff Johns)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 17:24:45 -0500
From: Stephen DeVience <sjdevience@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: [amsat-bb] Some benefits of open source sats that I envision
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I think this is great news, but with our convoluted government, how big is
the impact of this determination? If I take this design, add my own
modifications, and publish those (keeping it open source), is it still
covered by the determination, or do I have to apply again for my new
version? How much modification is acceptable? We still need to find out how
much will be restricted by EAR. I agree with some commenters that it would
be nice to see a summary of exactly what's covered and what's not.
I'm glad ORI is pushing the government on this issue and trying to get the
landscape cleared up. It reminds me of the issues the cryptography people
had years ago.
-Stephen, N8URE
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 15:44:14 -0700
From: Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???>
To: Joseph Armbruster <josepharmbruster@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Open Source Satellite Work Determined to be
Free of ITAR
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Joseph wrote:
> I would argue that it should have been provided to the AMSAT -bb
community, back in February, BEFORE being submitted to the DDTC
AMSAT was asked to participate and did not respond. I personally tried to
get ARRL to participate, and unfortunately getting board items on the
agenda and voted upon takes a long time, and they were tied up with having
fired their CEO and deciding how to go forward.
Thanks
Bruce
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 18:49:55 -0400
From: John Brier <johnbrier@?????.???>
To: Joseph Armbruster <josepharmbruster@?????.???>
Cc: Amsat - BBs <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Transparency and Double Standards
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"This whole thing is functionally equivalent to some couple hiring an
attorney to help fill out immigration forms and then some family member
comes up to them and asks "hey can i see how you filled out section X?"
You don't trust Michelle so this comparison is not reasonable.
73, John Brier KG4AKV
On Wed, Aug 19, 2020, 18:00 Joseph Armbruster <josepharmbruster@?????.???>
wrote:
> John Brier,
>
> Anyone on the -bb can see right through this John, by simply examining the
> submission form from the DDTC themselves. Anyone on the -bb can register
> with the DDTC Right Now and submit the same form for some other request...
> and, send me, you and everyone else on the-bb a copy of the forms before,
> after, or during the submission. The DDTC does not require it to be kept a
> secret.
>
> And, an attorney was hired... whoopty doo! Did whoever is working with
> the attorney sign over all right, title and interest in the form submission
> to the attorney!? And if-so, do you really trust people that think having
> to ask an attorney for permission to handle their own information is a
> great idea!?! Just the thought of being pigeon holed into working with a
> single attorney or firm and having to check with them to get a release
> signed from them, before releasing information like this, is frightening to
> me! It's not like this is a criminal defense case... This whole thing is
> functionally equivalent to some couple hiring an attorney to help fill out
> immigration forms and then some family member comes up to them and asks
> "hey can i see how you filled out section X?"... and then, the couple turns
> around and says "Oh, no... I have to ask my attorney for a release before I
> let you see it".... seriously ?!!?
>
> Why, in all humanity... would you ever give an attorney leverage over your
> documents / information ?!?!
>
> She's going to be hard pressed to find anyone else that has publicized
> their DDTC submissions. But this is entirely besides the point and
> irrelevant, and YOU ALL KNOW IT. Most companies have a reason to protect
> the development of their (or others) defense articles. There are no
> defense articles or other IP to protect here, as-far-as-we-all-know?!!?!?
> Why does an organization focused on transparent open source development of
> amateur satellite technology care about protecting this submission to the
> DDTC? That's a more critical question. Why wasn't the DDTC submission
> provided to the -bb community before being sent out? So we could know what
> was being requested and why?
>
>
> Attach, select file, send already,
> Joseph Armbruster
> KJ4JIO
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 5:34 PM John Brier via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
>> This is not a double standard or a lack of transparency. Their lawyer
>> requested they not release certain information and they are doing as
>> requested.
>>
>> Open source software companies work with security embargos on
>> vulnerabilities, and NDAs on prerelease hardware all the time. They keep
>> specific things secret for as long as they have to and then open it up as
>> soon as they can.
>>
>> Michelle even said she would double check with the lawyers to see if they
>> can release it. She is also looking into whether there are examples of
>> this
>> form being published online by other orgs. She is not saying flat out no
>> because I have a right to.
>>
>> 73, John Brier KG4AKV
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 19, 2020, 16:21 David Swanson via AMSAT-BB <
>> amsat-bb@?????.???>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I'm sorry - but this thread is absolutely hilarious, and the last reply
>> by
>> > Mr. Perens is the cherry on top of the stupidity cake.
>> >
>> > Michelle and her comrades have spouted all about transparency and
>> openness
>> > for the past year, but when they're presented with an opportunity to be
>> > transparent and open with their competing organizations they play the
>> 'Our
>> > Lawyers said not to share card'. When presented with their hypocrisy
>> they
>> > retreat to the completely expected position of politicians everywhere by
>> > claiming that while AMSAT should make everything open, ORI has a right
>> to
>> > keep things secret, because what they're doing is special and different.
>> > And then - amazingly - still have the audacity to somehow justify their
>> > position by claiming AMSAT isn't launching satellites? Unless I'm
>> mistaken,
>> > ORI/Perens Inc. have launched precisely *ZERO* birds ever - AMSAT has
>> put 4
>> > birds in orbit since I've been a member, and has provided parts and
>> > guidance to countless 3rd parties to launch their own birds. They have a
>> > realistic plan to get more birds into the orbits operators want despite
>> not
>> > being part of the in-crowd... I have complete faith that they will
>> deliver,
>> > because they already have. ORI has delivered jack all except promises
>> and
>> > chaos.
>> >
>> > Maybe - just MAYBE - this thread lays bare what the community will be
>> > getting with "the slate" of candidates. A whole bunch of "Thee, but not
>> for
>> > me" type of leadership, and a whole bunch of empty guarantees.
>> >
>> > -Dave, KG5CCI
>> >
>> > On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 2:17 PM Bruce Perens via AMSAT-BB <
>> > amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Sorry you feel that way. The unfortunate fact is that AMSAT has
>> already
>> > > been judged by its outside funding organizations, and is going to
>> have a
>> > > hard time surmounting that without a major change in leadership. It
>> isn't
>> > > going to matter much for you to stick with leadership who can't can't
>> > build
>> > > and launch enough satellites. That is what it is coming to. Fixing
>> that
>> > is
>> > > the only agenda.
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, Aug 19, 2020, 11:18 AM E.Mike McCardel via AMSAT-BB <
>> > > amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > My final word. At least some people on your agendized team, for the
>> > take
>> > > > over of AMSAT, I hold or have held in high respect. That is, at
>> least
>> > > until
>> > > > they allowed themselves to be associated with this travesty of ego.
>> I
>> > now
>> > > > question their judgement And motivation. That?s on you. TEAM
>> politics
>> > > isn?t
>> > > > what this is about. Character, track record, and how I have seen
>> > > candidates
>> > > > treat Me and others is how I will vote.
>> > > >
>> > > > I am highly disappointed that this has turned into a we / they
>> > campaign.
>> > > > The organization is better than that. Regardless of the outcome of
>> this
>> > > > election, I judge AMSAT and it reputation will be damaged moving
>> > forward.
>> > > >
>> > > > EMike, AA8EM
>> > > >
>> > > > EMike McCardel, AA8EM
>> > > > Past Senior Editor AMSAT News Service
>> > > > Past AMSAT-NA VP Educational Relations
>> > > > Former ARRL, Ohio Section, Affiliated Club Coordinator
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > > On Aug 19, 2020, at 1:11 PM, Michelle Thompson <
>> > > > mountain.michelle@?????.???> wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > ?
>> > > > > You might have missed the part where all of the information in
>> this
>> > > > particular CJ request is already publicly available. It's already
>> > > > transparent.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > The submitted form itself is not usually published. That's the
>> only
>> > > > restriction we are talking about.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > This is fundamentally different from refusing to allow Directors
>> > access
>> > > > to corporate records unless they sign NDAs, then showing up without
>> the
>> > > > actual NDAs, then continuing to deny access to records and
>> > communications
>> > > > after everyone signed a blank form that purported to be a signature
>> > form
>> > > > for these alleged NDAs. Some of which have yet to be produced and
>> you
>> > as
>> > > a
>> > > > member are not allowed to know about.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Your attack is off base and inaccurate. I'm sorry you feel the way
>> > you
>> > > > do. This work means that things can get dramatically better for the
>> > > > organization in highly visible and measurable ways.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > -Michelle W5NYV
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >> On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 9:33 AM E.Mike McCardel via AMSAT-BB <
>> > > > amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>> > > > >> Just an observation. Among all of this talk, during the past BOoD
>> > > > election
>> > > > >> cycle, about Transparency, I find it amazing that the excuse of
>> the
>> > > > Lawyers
>> > > > >> or others don't think it wise to disclose information can even
>> be an
>> > > > >> argument.
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> Michelle Wrote:
>> > > > >> "Unless, of course, this Information contained in CJ requests is
>> > not
>> > > > >> usually made public. The law firm would not file it unless it was
>> > > > presented
>> > > > >> to the State Department as private and confidential. This advice
>> was
>> > > > >> because virtually all requests are for proprietary programs and
>> > > > products.
>> > > > >> Sticking out in this regard, by doing something they advised
>> > strongly
>> > > > >> against, would not work to our
>> > > > >> advantage in any way. I want to win for open source, not die on
>> the
>> > > > wrong
>> > > > >> hill. as an admission that NDA's are indeed important and not
>> just
>> > > > >> convenient."
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> Is this not the very essence of Non-Disclosure Agreements?
>> Without
>> > the
>> > > > >> transparency which seems to be lacking here this comes across as
>> a
>> > > > simple
>> > > > >> political stunt. Enough already.
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> I am not voting for any TEAM, I'm putting my trust in individuals
>> > > whom I
>> > > > >> respect and trust and have no agenda other than serving AMSAT to
>> > keep
>> > > > >> amateur radio in space.
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> EMike, AA8EM
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> E. Michael McCardel, AA8EM, former KC8YLD
>> > > > >> Former Senior Editor for AMSAT News Service,
>> > > > >> Past VP Educational Relations for AMSAT-NA
>> > > > >> Former Ohio Section Affiliated Club Coordinator
>> > > > >> _______________________________________________
>> > > > >> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum
>> > available
>> > > > >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> > > > Opinions expressed
>> > > > >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
>> > views
>> > > > of AMSAT-NA.
>> > > > >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>> > > > program!
>> > > > >> Subscription settings:
>> > > https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>> > > > _______________________________________________
>> > > > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum
>> available
>> > > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> > > Opinions
>> > > > expressed
>> > > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
>> views
>> > of
>> > > > AMSAT-NA.
>> > > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>> > > program!
>> > > > Subscription settings:
>> https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>> > > >
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> > Opinions
>> > > expressed
>> > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
>> of
>> > > AMSAT-NA.
>> > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>> > program!
>> > > Subscription settings:
>> https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>> > >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> Opinions
>> > expressed
>> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>> > AMSAT-NA.
>> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>> program!
>> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> Opinions expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>> AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 22:57:51 +0000
From: Gerald Payton <gp_ab5r@???????.???>
To: "amsat-bb@?????.???? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Board Election Candidates
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As a recent (re-hashed) member re-joining too late for a vote, is it
possible to see a list of who is renewals or new candidates?
Using an OLD phrase, I am FLABERGASSED with all this back and forth!
Having said that,
Jerry AB5R
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 19:00:09 -0400
From: "E.Mike McCardel" <mccardelm@?????.???>
To: Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???>
Cc: Amsat - BBs <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Transparency and Double Standards
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Perhaps nothing indicts the agenda Of ?The Team? than This quote from Bruce
Perens.
?I am not convinced that I need to spend my time on convincing anyone at
AMSAT. At some point it becomes less effort to simply let AMSAT die and
carry on the work elsewhere.?
EMike McCardel, AA8EM
Past Senior Editor AMSAT News Service
Past AMSAT-NA VP Educational Relations
Former ARRL, Ohio Section, Affiliated Club Coordinator
> On Aug 19, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???> wrote:
>
> I am not convinced that I need to spend my time on convincing anyone at
AMSAT. At some point it becomes less effort to simply let AMSAT die and
carry on the work elsewhere.
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 16:18:49 -0700
From: Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???>
To: "E.Mike McCardel" <mccardelm@?????.???>
Cc: Amsat - BBs <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Transparency and Double Standards
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On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 4:00 PM E.Mike McCardel <mccardelm@?????.???> wrote:
> Perhaps nothing indicts the agenda Of ?The Team? than This quote from
> Bruce Perens.
Hm. Should I remind you that you wrote that your previous email would be
your last word?
I am not standing for election and the folks I have endorsed in this or the
previous election are not beholden to me. Just ask Brennan
I don't actually see that there are many other people around who originate
policies like this (or Open Source, or No-Code). One can't get things like
that done by asking permission. I am thus not on any "Team". It will be my
personal decision where to carry out my work.
Thanks
Bruce
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 23:40:51 +0000
From: Gerald Payton <gp_ab5r@???????.???>
To: "amsat-bb@?????.???? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] List of Board Candidates?
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As a recent (re-hashed) member re-joining too late for a vote, is it
possible to see a list of who is renewals or new candidates?
Using an OLD phrase, I am FLABERGASSED with all this back and forth!
Having said that,
Jerry AB5R
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 19:53:48 -0400
From: "E.Mike McCardel" <mccardelm@?????.???>
To: Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???>
Cc: Amsat - BBs <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Transparency and Double Standards
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Bruce,
Sorry to disappoint about reengaging, Bruce, I couldn?t let that pass. I?m
not running either.
What I find most nauseating it that you and Michelle are campaigning the
hardest for ?The Team?. She is not a candidate either.
Of the 6 candidates 5 could easily stand on their own. They really don?t
need to part the endorsement. In fact I can?t truly determine if all three
of the endorsed candidates actually asked to be lumped together. Why not
simply run on your own merit instead of forming a party with an agenda.
I just don?t understand!
What or who truly is ?The Team?? Dothe endorsees endorse their endorsers.
Were they handpicked? Did they collude together (or with help from others)
before they ran or were they simply caught up in ?the endorsement?? I?m
hoping the latter is the case because I really like two of the three
personally.
The strongest organizations are diverse ones who argue disagree compromise
then get over it.
In my working with several AMSAT boards I?ve seen this actually in play on
many occasions, first. I personally have had strong disagreements with board
members and officers, but when all is said an done I got back to work and
worked hard to promote the good of the organization, Even if I weren?t in
full agreement. That is how it is suppose to be
Only since the last board election the membership had Seen this model break
down. Why is that, Bruce? What is the one difference. Two board members who
can?t or won?t cooperate or the rest of the board changing their stripes?
In all my experiences I have seen that the absolute worse board members,
trustees, commissioners etc. are those with a gripe.
Now I?m done!
EMike, AA8EM
EMike McCardel, AA8EM
Past Senior Editor AMSAT News Service
Past AMSAT-NA VP Educational Relations
Former ARRL, Ohio Section, Affiliated Club Coordinator
> On Aug 19, 2020, at 7:19 PM, Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???> wrote:
>
> ?
>> On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 4:00 PM E.Mike McCardel <mccardelm@?????.???>
wrote:
>
>> Perhaps nothing indicts the agenda Of ?The Team? than This quote from
Bruce Perens.
>
> Hm. Should I remind you that you wrote that your previous email would be
your last word?
>
> I am not standing for election and the folks I have endorsed in this or
the previous election are not beholden to me. Just ask Brennan
>
> I don't actually see that there are many other people around who originate
policies like this (or Open Source, or No-Code). One can't get things like
that done by asking permission. I am thus not on any "Team". It will be my
personal decision where to carry out my work.
>
> Thanks
>
> Bruce
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 23:57:55 +0000
From: Gerald Payton <gp_ab5r@???????.???>
To: "amsat-bb@?????.???? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Election Candidate List?
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As a recent (re-hashed) member re-joining too late for a vote, is it
possible to see a list of who is renewals or new candidates?
Using an OLD phrase, I am FLABERGASSED with all this back and forth!
Having said that,
Jerry AB5R
------------------------------
Message: 10
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 19:15:48 -0500
From: Jeff Johns <jeff30339@?????.???>
To: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Transparency and Double Standards
Message-ID: <56293C99-D588-4124-B9B1-1DE1169C175A@?????.???>
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There shouldn?t be any ?scuffing? on this issue. An AMSAT volunteer member
has made strides on something that nobody else within AMSAT has done and
people want to attack her over it rather than celebrating successes. Legacy
leadership is quick to pat themselves on the back yet they, along with many
members, can?t even be civil enough to say ?good job?. All of this could
have been done under the AMSAT banner but nobody from AMSAT would answer
Michelle?s letters or proposals. I?ll ask again. Who else within AMSAT is
writing grant requests and working towards these types of goals? The silence
in answering these types of questions is deafening. However, those running
against me for election will promise members an HEO satellite. Given current
laws, rules and regulations there won?t be an HEO satellite launched by
AMSAT-NA until situations such as these that Michelle and ORI are working to
fix. I think it?s funny that some of my challengers are running on a
platform of an HEO satellite w
hen they have not been able to accomplish that during their term in office.
Going forward, without significant change, AMSAT will be lucky to get LEO
launches, much less an HEO satellite. Once again, Michelle and ORI, thank
you for the work you are doing. I?m sorry that nobody from within the legacy
leadership of AMSAT will thank you or celebrate with you. It?s quite telling
of the current state of affairs within AMSAT.
Jeff WE4B
http://we4bravo.com
> On Aug 19, 2020, at 5:39 PM, Ted Krempa <k7trkradio@???????.???> wrote:
>
> ?Yep, Jeff....and all this 'school yard' scuffling is , for sure, bound to
grow the AMSAT membership....I mean, who wouldn't want to pay $40+ to have
to read this nonsense every day !!!
>
> Not Me
> 73, Ted
> K7TRK
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@?????.???? On Behalf Of Jeff Johns
via AMSAT-BB
> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 11:57 AM
> To: AMSAT
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Transparency and Double Standards
>
> ?What does Michelle, an AMSAT volunteer and Board member, making an
announcement about something she raised funds for and accomplished that can
possibly benefit AMSAT have to do with politics?
>
> I?m not an EE or an ITAR/EAR expert but what I see is an enthusiastic
volunteer that is talking the talk and walking the walk and doing so in an
attempt to help AMSAT and anyone else wanting to build amateur satellites.
>
> What is anyone from within AMSAT doing in the same regards? Who is writing
grant requests? Who is working with legal teams (not the teams used to
muffle new Board members) to work on these carve outs? Maybe it is happening
within AMSAT but getting any news out of AMSAT is frustrating for members.
>
> Michelle says that she reached out to AMSAT at the Symposium and via other
methods but didn?t get any replies from within the organization? Why not?
Why isn?t AMSAT embracing someone that is obviously enthusiastic and has the
ability to raise funds on her own. Why isn?t AMSAT using these synergies
within the organization?
>
> I just think it?s sad to see so many basically attacking Michelle for
being proud of an accomplishment. An accomplishment that AMSAT could have
claimed under the AMSAT banner had they been willing to work with her. Why
is there such a fear from legacy leadership of new thoughts, ideas and
methods?
>
> We should all be thanking Michelle for working on this and encouraging and
helping rather than berating her. If an outsider where to look at this,
would they really want to volunteer for AMSAT or would they fear they would
be attacked for attempting to do great things?
>
> Some of those running for office against me are promising the world an HEO
satellite. Seems to me that we will need the work that Michelle is freely
doing and donating to the world to make that happen under current laws,
rules and regulations.
>
> Even though I may not be an ITAR expert, I can appreciate the fact that
Michelle has worked on her accomplishment and is freely sharing it with
AMSAT. Is it really that difficult for people to just say ?thank you?? It?s
not hard for me so, Michelle, thank you for donating your time and talents
to help further amateur satellites and for helping to keep amateur radio in
space. There are those in the community that can recognize your efforts and
appreciate them.
>
> Jeff WE4B
> http://we4bravo.com
>
>> On Aug 19, 2020, at 1:20 PM, E.Mike McCardel via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>>
>> ?My final word. At least some people on your agendized team, for the take
over of AMSAT, I hold or have held in high respect. That is, at least until
they allowed themselves to be associated with this travesty of ego. I now
question their judgement And motivation. That?s on you. TEAM politics isn?t
what this is about. Character, track record, and how I have seen candidates
treat Me and others is how I will vote.
>>
>> I am highly disappointed that this has turned into a we / they campaign.
The organization is better than that. Regardless of the outcome of this
election, I judge AMSAT and it reputation will be damaged moving forward.
>>
>> EMike, AA8EM
>>
>> EMike McCardel, AA8EM
>> Past Senior Editor AMSAT News Service
>> Past AMSAT-NA VP Educational Relations
>> Former ARRL, Ohio Section, Affiliated Club Coordinator
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