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Today's Topics:
1. Re: It's here! (Jeff Johns)
2. Notice to All AMSAT-BB Subscribers (Robert Bankston)
3. DIWATA-2B (PO-101) - Tone setting in SubTone.sqf (Rafael Pena)
4. Re: Notice to All AMSAT-BB Subscribers (David Johnson)
5. Re: DIWATA-2B (PO-101) - Tone setting in SubTone.sqf
(Charles Reiche)
6. Re: DIWATA-2B (PO-101) - Tone setting in SubTone.sqf (Rafael Pena)
7. Re: HEO & Geo Orbits, (Jerry Buxton)
8. LEO Pack Antennas Questions (Jeff Davis)
9. Re: LEO Pack Antennas Questions (Bob Hammond)
10. Re: LEO Pack Antennas Questions (Jeff Davis)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 15:41:50 -0500
From: Jeff Johns <jeff30339@?????.???>
To: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] It's here!
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A ten minute meeting to vote on taking out a loan is not really the kind of
board meetings the membership desires. I think the vast majority of members
would want the Board to meet on a regular basis to conduct the business of
the organization. That has certainly NOT happened. If they had happened,
there would be published minutes. As an Officer of the organization, you
know that regular Board meeting have NOT occurred. To say otherwise is a
lie. This is one thing on the platform that several of us are using in our
campaigns. Vote for me, I?ll join others and call for meetings and provide
oversight. I will even attempt to have the bylaws changed so we can have
proper electronic voting. I can?t help but wonder why this hasn?t happened
before now. I will not rubber stamp items and will provide transparency to
the membership.
Jeff WE4B
http://we4bravo.com
>> On Aug 20, 2020, at 3:31 PM, Robert Bankston via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>>
>> ?On Thursday, August 20, 2020, 03:22:30 PM CDT, Jeff Moore via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>>
>> Moving to electronic balloting would require the BoD to meet - likely
>> multiple times to discuss and vote on it. Something they seem reluctant
>> to do lately! Vote accordingly.
>
> That is completely false. The Directors did have meetings. Please refer
to statements made by the AMSAT President.
>
> Also, electronic voting was discussed, but decided against due to cost.
>
> 73,
> Robert, KE4AL
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 21:44:32 +0000 (UTC)
From: Robert Bankston <ke4al@?????.???>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Notice to All AMSAT-BB Subscribers
Message-ID: <100468892.5216798.1597959872532@????.?????.???>
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ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
??
The AMSAT-BB Acceptable Use Policy is clear in stating appropriate content
is respectful of the members and readers of the AMSAT List.? Discussion of
AMSAT plans and policies must be in ways that foster better understanding of
the opportunities, trade-offs, and limitations that AMSAT faces, and
constructive suggestions for improvement.
??
https://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/AMSAT_AUP_061819.pd
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The AMSAT BB is NOT your personal soapbox or the place for you to make drive
by attacks on individuals or AMSAT.? There are over 2,500 subscribers to
this List, who are here to discuss, learn, and advance amateur satellites
service.
??
Henceforth, any subscriber who:
?
? * ?makes inflammatory posts containing attacks against individuals or AMSAT;
??
? * ?makes known false statements, whether to purposefully evoke a response
or not; or
??
? * ?makes posts that clearly does not add value to a discussion
??
will be removed from the subscriber list.
?
This is your one and only warning.
Robert Bankston, KE4AL
Vice-President, User Services
Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation (AMSAT)
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 22:47:07 +0000
From: Rafael Pena <pinoleronica@???????.???>
To: "amsat-bb@?????.???? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] DIWATA-2B (PO-101) - Tone setting in SubTone.sqf
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This might have been discuss / addressed before. I tried searching the BB
but I could not find a search engine?
I am using new Icom 9700 (yeay!) and I have not been able to TX on the above
subject sat. The T for tone in the software comes on automatically with
T1. My Tone setting in the SubTone.sqf file is:
PO-101,141.3,$08,22
I also use: PO-101,141.3,$3F,1
to no avail.
Any tips are appreciated.
Rafael / NN3RP
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 17:48:41 -0500
From: David Johnson <david.johnson.bbq@?????.???>
To: Robert Bankston <ke4al@?????.???>, Robert Bankston
<ke4al@?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Notice to All AMSAT-BB Subscribers
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You were more than patient. Thanks for drawing the line.
Dave Johnson
W9DWJ
On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 4:46 PM Robert Bankston via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
>
> The AMSAT-BB Acceptable Use Policy is clear in stating appropriate content
> is respectful of the members and readers of the AMSAT List. Discussion of
> AMSAT plans and policies must be in ways that foster better understanding
> of the opportunities, trade-offs, and limitations that AMSAT faces, and
> constructive suggestions for improvement.
>
>
>
https://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/AMSAT_AUP_061819.pd
f
>
>
> The AMSAT BB is NOT your personal soapbox or the place for you to make
> drive by attacks on individuals or AMSAT. There are over 2,500 subscribers
> to this List, who are here to discuss, learn, and advance amateur
> satellites service.
>
> Henceforth, any subscriber who:
>
> * makes inflammatory posts containing attacks against individuals or
> AMSAT;
>
> * makes known false statements, whether to purposefully evoke a
> response or not; or
>
> * makes posts that clearly does not add value to a discussion
>
> will be removed from the subscriber list.
>
> This is your one and only warning.
>
> Robert Bankston, KE4AL
> Vice-President, User Services
> Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation (AMSAT)
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
--
David Johnson
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 19:52:56 -0400
From: Charles Reiche <charlieray@?????.???>
To: Rafael Pena <pinoleronica@???????.???>
Cc: "amsat-bb@?????.???? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] DIWATA-2B (PO-101) - Tone setting in
SubTone.sqf
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Hi Rafael,
I've been using:
PO-101,141.3,$3F,1
and it works on my 9700.
Make sure "PO-101" is the full name in your keps file or rename your
subtone.sqf entry to match the keps name
Parameter 3 and 4 ($3F and after) should be ignored by the software as
those are for Yaesu and Kenwood.
73
N3CRT
Charles Reiche
On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 7:45 PM Rafael Pena via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
>
> This might have been discuss / addressed before. I tried searching the
> BB but I could not find a search engine?
>
> I am using new Icom 9700 (yeay!) and I have not been able to TX on the
> above subject sat. The T for tone in the software comes on automatically
> with T1. My Tone setting in the SubTone.sqf file is:
>
> PO-101,141.3,$08,22
>
> I also use: PO-101,141.3,$3F,1
> to no avail.
>
> Any tips are appreciated.
>
> Rafael / NN3RP
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 23:55:10 +0000
From: Rafael Pena <pinoleronica@???????.???>
To: Charles Reiche <charlieray@?????.???>
Cc: "amsat-bb@?????.???? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] DIWATA-2B (PO-101) - Tone setting in
SubTone.sqf
Message-ID:
<DM5PR03MB3228ADEDA21190E6A0608E72C65A0@?????????????.????????.????.???????.??
?>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Thanks a bunch....I modify and test on next pass.
73 / Rafael
________________________________________
De: Charles Reiche <charlieray@?????.???>
Enviado: jueves, 20 de agosto de 2020 07:52 p. m.
Para: Rafael Pena
CC: amsat-bb@?????.???
Asunto: Re: [amsat-bb] DIWATA-2B (PO-101) - Tone setting in SubTone.sqf
Hi Rafael,
I've been using:
PO-101,141.3,$3F,1
and it works on my 9700.
Make sure "PO-101" is the full name in your keps file or rename your
subtone.sqf entry to match the keps name
Parameter 3 and 4 ($3F and after) should be ignored by the software as those
are for Yaesu and Kenwood.
73
N3CRT
Charles Reiche
On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 7:45 PM Rafael Pena via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???<???????????????@?????.???>> wrote:
This might have been discuss / addressed before. I tried searching the BB
but I could not find a search engine?
I am using new Icom 9700 (yeay!) and I have not been able to TX on the above
subject sat. The T for tone in the software comes on automatically with
T1. My Tone setting in the SubTone.sqf file is:
PO-101,141.3,$08,22
I also use: PO-101,141.3,$3F,1
to no avail.
Any tips are appreciated.
Rafael / NN3RP
_______________________________________________
Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???<???????????????@?????.???>. AMSAT-NA makes this
open forum available
to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 19:23:34 -0500
From: Jerry Buxton <n0jy@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] HEO & Geo Orbits,
Message-ID: <ef6e0b2f-c45d-ad27-c1b4-2fee999114b1@?????.???>
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On 8/19/2020 22:51, Jim Walls via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> It may not have been YOUR suggestion, but I recall that one has been
> answered.? As I recall reading here, AMSAT HAS been in contact with
> various launch providers.? And no, I'm not going to do the research
> for you to find it (I don't keep all messages on this reflector).
True.? And many of the new LV companies have contacted us/me regarding
their services both new and in development.
These are the movers and shakers although that definition probably
varies with the individuals who ask this question and my use of it here.
With the current demand for small satellite launches to LEO and the
situation regarding orbital debris, most of the new entries into the
launch industry are targeting low, Low Earth Orbit of 450-500 km.? There
are two good reasons for that.? One, these orbits take less fuel
mass/volume and smaller engines to reach.? Two these orbits provide
maybe 2-3 years of orbit lifetime which is favorable with the orbital
debris regulations.
In the latter, we are and have for many years been very good stewards of
the orbital debris requirements with absolutely no rogue intentions and
a record that has earned us opportunities to look for high orbits.? In
the former, we don't wish to go to those altitudes right now and the
clamor of public opinion here and elsewhere supports that point.
And so, while I am happy in knowing that AMSAT has a reputation that
warrants contact from at least some of these new movers and shakers,
they are not able to help us at this time.
There is also the process of gaining a ride on a launch vehicle and I
think that a lot of our members probably consider the launch provider to
be ULA, or SpaceX, ISRO, or our latest with Virgin Orbit.? And in all
four (covering five launches), Fox-1A & Fox-1B, Fox-1Cliff, Fox-1D, and
Fox-1E, respectively, in none of the launches is AMSAT dealing directly
with any of those launch vehicle providers.? Launch providers are NASA
through the ELaNa program on ULA and VO and Spaceflight through their
rideshare contracts with ISRO and SpaceX.? Further, we then work with
the payload integrator for that launch, Cal Poly, Tyvak, and TriSept for
the ELaNa launches and another division of Spaceflight for their ISRO
and SpaceX launches (that we purchased).
I have had the pleasure of meeting folks who work for ULA and SpaceX,
and look forward to the same with Virgin Orbit soon, at integration but
none are anywhere near the top of their corporation especially in the
context that I think "movers and shakers" is meant with these corporations.
Short of an invitation to a gala or otherwise someone who knows any of
those company senior officers or directors, there is no chance to ask if
they can extend a hand to AMSAT and just get us a ride please because we
are a bunch of good guys and gals.? And I have been in situations to ask
those not that high up because hey, it never hurts to ask, right?? And
their answer if any usually is exactly what works so well for their
industry; that we should contact one of the launch providers.
Consider what it might be like, were we able to ask Tony Bruno for
another ride on a ULA vehicle as a bit of a favor toward the good things
that us bunch of good guys and gals do for a sliver of the world
population, and he said yes!
I don't mean what it might be like for us, although that probably
follows a lot like what it would be like for ULA; having given a small
group a favor of a million dollars of launch in an act of compassion and
charity, and it being quite public of course since AMSAT has trouble
staying mum even when specifically told to by launch providers, suddenly
15,000 other organizations who deem themselves worthy of Tony or Elon or
Sir Richard sharing a bit of that type of charity with them come out of
the woodwork and bombard them with requests.? That later turn into
demands, that later turn into vilification...
Of course they then include AMSAT in that vilification because we got
something they can't have and that's not fair!
And we have all seen classic examples of all three of that progression
of love and teamwork on -bb lately, so you know what I mean.
My money is on Tony and the others most certainly having considered that
same scenario no matter who asks the favor, and that's why even if you
or I got to have two minutes with any of them at a gala some night it's
very likely that they will refer us to a launch provider, maybe put in a
plug for their favorite since they know now that we talked that we are
just a bunch of good guys and gals.? I'll also bet a small amount that
it is the reason that Elon launched his car, since the questions came up
about how ham radio could have been there and why not, at that time
too.? Can't upset anyone by using that space for a great big publicity
stunt, eh?
As Joe mentioned in his reply to GEO (George?) he is not the first to
ask and we have been in contact and remain active with our connections
and new connections that come along in the launch game.? We would not be
doing our job if we did not and besides, it's part of the fun of this
aspect of amateur radio to have the standing to be able to meet and talk
to many different folks about (especially) cheap rides to places very
high up.? Ask any of our launch providers and at least privately,
because of their NDAs of course, they might share the fact that have and
continue to ask and explore opportunities, even those that might be a
"what if" just to look for any openings.
Of course few of you know all of this, and it probably only comes up in
detail when this question inevitably comes around again.? I mention or
allude to it in the Journal or talks now and then, but of course none of
it is even in detail until something is signed.? Only fools brag about
that which they do not yet hold in their hand, or at least I think
that's true because I have burned myself and embarrassed others
(organizations too) by being too confident.
I'll QRT with little aside, the meeting that I will remember best out of
all of them in our adventures to orbit is the one at the Fox-1A (AO-85)
launch, which was an Air Force launch carrying NRO stuff on a ULA rocket
(so you kinda get the big launch provider picture I mentioned).?
The Captain in charge of that Air Force mission was there and I got to
talk to him at the launch party.? His name?? Captain Kirk.?
This part of the amateur radio hobby just doesn't get any more fun than
that.
73, and thank you all for your support.
Jerry Buxton, N?JY
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 20:39:53 -0400
From: Jeff Davis <jeff@????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: [amsat-bb] LEO Pack Antennas Questions
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Just a couple questions about the M2 LEO Pack antennas.
1. Does the "pack" include the cross-boom?
2. Has M2 made switches available yet to facilitate LH and RH circular
polarization?
Thanks.
--
73 de Jeff
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 18:04:22 -0700
From: Bob Hammond <propgrinder@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] LEO Pack Antennas Questions
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Jeff, what is your callsign?
Yes, the M2 LEOpack comes with a boom. https://www.m2inc.com/FGLEOPACK
Yes, they have polarity switches for both:
https://www.m2inc.com/FGPS70CM
https://www.m2inc.com/FGPS2MCP8A
Bob W7OTJ
On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 5:48 PM Jeff Davis via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> Just a couple questions about the M2 LEO Pack antennas.
>
> 1. Does the "pack" include the cross-boom?
> 2. Has M2 made switches available yet to facilitate LH and RH circular
> polarization?
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
> 73 de Jeff
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 21:28:20 -0400
From: Jeff Davis <jeff@????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] LEO Pack Antennas Questions
Message-ID:
<CA+m6R09C1G+DF5GbpDgi61zCPSUQksv-MNXZL2zWNsRO=VERyA@????.?????.???>
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Thanks for the answers Bob.
73, Jeff
On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:21 PM Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> Jeff, what is your callsign?
>
> Yes, the M2 LEOpack comes with a boom. https://www.m2inc.com/FGLEOPACK
> Yes, they have polarity switches for both:
> https://www.m2inc.com/FGPS70CM
> https://www.m2inc.com/FGPS2MCP8A
>
> Bob W7OTJ
>
> On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 5:48 PM Jeff Davis via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???>
> wrote:
>
> > Just a couple questions about the M2 LEO Pack antennas.
> >
> > 1. Does the "pack" include the cross-boom?
> > 2. Has M2 made switches available yet to facilitate LH and RH circular
> > polarization?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > --
> > 73 de Jeff
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions
> > expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> > AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
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>
--
73 de Jeff
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