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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Two VU Hams successfully did QSOs via Six different FM
Satellites in single day (Jean Marc Momple)
2. Re: ORI receives half million dollar grant, and it's only the
first. (Phil Karn)
3. Re: ORI receives half million dollar grant, and it's only the
first. (John Brier)
4. Re: ORI receives half million dollar grant, and it's only the
first. (Phil Karn)
5. Re: ORI receives half million dollar grant, and it's only the
first. (Phil Karn)
6. Re: ORI receives half million dollar grant, and it's only the
first. (Joseph Armbruster)
7. Re: ORI receives half million dollar grant, and it's only the
first. (Phil Karn)
8. Re: ORI receives half million dollar grant, and it's only the
first. (Joseph Armbruster)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 09:11:14 +0400
From: Jean Marc Momple <jean.marc.momple@?????.???>
To: Rajesh Vagadia - VU2EXP <vu2exp@?????.???>
Cc: Patrick BENARD <patrick.benard@?????.???>, Patrice Momple 3B8FA
<patricemomple@?????.???>, "amsat-bb@????? org" <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Two VU Hams successfully did QSOs via Six
different FM Satellites in single day
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Congratulations Rajesh,
Let us know when you have such events and if passes favorable we may have
slight windows between VU and 3B8.
In such case put also the President of ARRA , Patrick FR5FC in Reunion
Island (in copy), in copy he may disseminate the info so that we promote
satellite operations in the region.
73
Jean Marc (3B8DU)
> On Sep 11, 2020, at 8:39 AM, Rajesh Vagadia - VU2EXP via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> Dear hams,
>
> We are enjoying AMSAT-UK OSCAR QSO Party from VU Land. 9th September 2020
> proved memorable day for myself Rajesh VU2EXP & Lucky VU2LBW from India.
>
> We successfully worked via Six different FM Satellites in single day from
> VU Land. It's personal record for us for such satellite activities in
> region. Some satellite were 18 year (SO-50) to 27 year (AO-27) old, which
> all favoured us.
>
> The list of satellite we worked through were AO-91 (0650Z), PO-101 (0830Z),
> AO-27 (1305Z), SO-50 (1514Z), AO-92 (1712Z) & ARISS - ISS (1714Z). That's
> all the satellites I am getting from my region (ML52jh) & have capabilities
> to work with my portable setup consisting pair of HT & Homebrew IOio
> Antenna!
>
> There were bit challenges like uncertainty of AO-92 switching to L mode or
> turning into safe mode during eclipse, some passes (AO-92 & ISS) were at
> the same time and in different directions, low elevation of 3? ISS pass at
> VU2LBW's end, power failure at partners end for some moments, possibility
> of raining which could have interrupted my portable operation etc! We did
> our best and continued chasing via each satellite & exchanged 59 reports
> from all 6 birds. So exciting experience for us. I am very thankful to
> VU2LBW for cooperating with lots of patience. I was on my portable setup
> operating from my terrace whereas I was benefited with decent setup of
> VU2LBW located at MK82tv.
>
> What a great memorable day!
>
> 73's
>
> Rajesh Vagadia VU2EXP
> Regional Coordinator
> West India Zone
> AMSAT-INDIA
> Rajkot (Gujarat) INDIA
> E: vu2exp@?????.???
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 22:41:39 -0700
From: Phil Karn <karn@????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ORI receives half million dollar grant, and
it's only the first.
Message-ID: <38f30c90-6874-b8bc-5855-9e27bbb3bf66@????.???>
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On 9/10/20 19:40, Bruce Perens via AMSAT-BB wrote:
>
> In the present time, people have grown to take the Internet a lot more
> seriously, and the world ran out of IPV4 addresses in their 32-bit space.
> We now have IPV6, which has a much larger address space, but IPV4 is still
> important. So, Brian and friends sold 3/4 of our addresses to Amazon for a
> lot of money, and formed a non-profit to manage it.
Correction: ARDC sold 1/4 (not 3/4) of its original IPv4 address block,
44.0.0.0/8. The part that was sold is 44.192.0.0/10, i.e., the top
quarter, which had never been used on the "real" Internet though it had
been used internally in some European ampr subnets.
ampr.org still has the bottom 3/4 of its original assignment: 44.0.0.0/9
and 44.128.0.0/10. Hams running IP are still able to use these two blocks.
The 44.0.0.0/8 block was originally obtained by Hank Magnuski, KA6M, in
the early 1980s, literally for the cost of a phone call. It did not see
much use until the mid 1980s when I began work on my KA9Q NOS TCP/IP
package; at that time, Hank transferred control of the 44 block to me.
Brian Kantor WB6CYT and Wally Lindstruth WA6JPR soon joined in its
management, with Brian running much of the infrastructure out of the
University of California San Diego (UCSD) where he spent his entire career.
NONE of us had any idea whatsoever that these numbers would someday have
serious monetary value. We did amprnet simply because we really believed
in the potential of the Internet and, as hams, felt ham radio was the
perfect place to experiment with the Internet protocols. (Some of you
have fond memories of those days, as do I.) We thought it was a cool
idea that would find good uses, but we had no idea that the Internet
over radio would change the world as much as it did. It certainly
changed my life; in 1991 I moved from New Jersey to San Diego to accept
a position with Qualcomm largely on the basis of my work with TCP/IP
over ham radio, and Brian and I became very close friends.
In the early 2010s, Brian obtained Hank's and my consent to transfer
formal ownership of this address block to a nonprofit he created for the
purpose: Amateur Radio Digital Communications, or ARDC. (Wally
Lindstruth had passed away by this time). In 2018 and 2019, with full
knowledge and consent of the ARDC board, Brian negotiated the sale of
the 44.192.0.0/10 block with the proceeds to ARDC to be used for a wide
range of charitable grants to benefit ham radio, the Internet, and
especially the intersection of the two and their role in STEM education.
Unfortunately, the nature of the IP address market and the size of the
sale necessitated secrecy, which none of us liked. A nondisclosure
agreement still limits what we can publicly say about the terms of the
sale, though some facts can be readily determined from public sources
such as the "whois" database and IP address market data.
Brian passed away unexpectedly in November 2019 and I've taken over as
president and chair of ARDC. Hank continues to serve on the grant review
committee chaired by John Hays, K7VE.
Since ARDC is an IRS 501(c)(3) nonprofit foundation, it is required to
file detailed tax returns (990 forms) with the IRS; this will happen
very shortly. By law, nonprofit tax returns are publicly available.
Phil Karn, KA9Q
ARDC President & Chair
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 03:07:15 -0400
From: John Brier <johnbrier@?????.???>
To: Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???>
Cc: drwoolweaver@?????.???? amsat bb <amsat-bb@?????.???>, Wally
Ritchie <wally.ritchie@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ORI receives half million dollar grant, and
it's only the first.
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Since someone complained about not clipping emails. I will try to do
it when I can :-) It's harder to do on mobile.
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 11:58 PM Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 8:55 PM John Brier <johnbrier@?????.???> wrote:
>>
>> That's $2.5 million a year for 20 years.
>
>
> Actually, it is not limited to 20 years. Granting organizations invest
their funds, and grant from the income. This is probably meant to still be
going long from now.
>
Clearly you're talking to someone who doesn't invest. I imagine you
could make a lot of money off that amount of money. Good point!
73, John Brier KG4AKV
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 00:35:47 -0700
From: Phil Karn <karn@????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ORI receives half million dollar grant, and
it's only the first.
Message-ID: <f7dc12e1-66c7-95f8-4eca-043cff968d03@????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
On 9/10/20 20:55, John Brier via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> To me this is a huge reason for AMSAT to embrace open source.
Yes, ARDC funding is a reason but it's not the only one.
Everybody on the ARDC board and grant committee agrees that one of the
main reasons (if not THE main reason) for amateur radio's continued
existence is its unique value as an educational tool. Not just formal
classroom instruction but the kind of self-directed, hands-on tinkering
and experimentation with electronics and communications that is still
unique to ham radio.
When I became a ham in 1971 at age 14, I didn't want to just talk on the
radio. I wanted to know how radios worked, what was behind the knobs. I
carried a sheaf of Heathkit schematics around with me in school, peeking
at them in class as other kids might peek at comic books. I learned a
lot by studying them and by modifying and experimenting on the old ham
gear (much of it Heathkit) I could actually afford. It cemented my
decision to get my EE degrees and specifically to go into the
communications industry. Ham radio set the entire direction of my life.
There's been a huge amount of progress in electronic communications over
50 years. But not all of it has been for the better when it comes to
learning by taking things apart. Take an iPhone apart and figure out how
it works. Good luck!
That's where open source comes in. It's become a very successful
development model, mainly for software but increasingly also for
hardware. It works because open source is above all an excellent
educational tool. Anybody -- even students with no money -- can get an
open source design, take it apart, study it, experiment with it, break
it, fix it. Maybe even improve it, share your work with others, build a
reputation and turn it into a career.
So, ARDC aside, open source is very much in keeping with the spirit and
history of ham radio. In fact, it's now essential to the survival of ham
radio, including the amateur satellite service. No, you don't *have* to
know anything about how a radio works just to use one. But what's the
point? If you want to talk on a satellite, and you only care that it
works, not *how* it works, you might be better served by Iridium (or
soon Starlink) than by amateur radio satellites. Quite frankly, ham
radio will never compete favorably with Iridium or Starlink, nor could
it because of FCC restrictions. So what's the point of developing an
amateur radio satellite unless it's all in the open?
ARDC is a nonprofit foundation so all of our grants must be for
charitable purposes. That does not include making money unless *that*
money is used for charitable purposes. (Our endowment income goes into
grants). But the development of open source technology freely available
to anyone for any purpose *is* a completely legitimate charitable
purpose; in fact, quite a few open source projects are already supported
by foundations.
And if one of our grants helps inspire a young person into a successful
STEM career, well, I personally can't think of a single better use for
our money.
--Phil
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 00:39:45 -0700
From: Phil Karn <karn@????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ORI receives half million dollar grant, and
it's only the first.
Message-ID: <a98999e3-aeca-545b-4dd7-a53038107d01@????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
On 9/11/20 00:07, John Brier via AMSAT-BB wrote:
>
>>> That's $2.5 million a year for 20 years.
>>
>> Actually, it is not limited to 20 years. Granting organizations invest
their funds, and grant from the income. This is probably meant to still be
going long from now.
>>
> Clearly you're talking to someone who doesn't invest. I imagine you
> could make a lot of money off that amount of money. Good point!
The IRS requires charitable foundations that earn most of their income
from investments (as opposed to public donations) to give away at least
5% of their assets every year. Unfortunately, that number doesn't seem
to change with inflation or the prevailing market returns so it may or
may not be possible to make grants in perpetuity without growing your
endowment from other sources.
Phil
------------------------------
Message: 6
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 06:43:10 -0400
From: Joseph Armbruster <josepharmbruster@?????.???>
To: Phil Karn <karn@????.???>
Cc: Amsat BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ORI receives half million dollar grant, and
it's only the first.
Message-ID:
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Phil,
This is one heckuva story! And, you filled in several of the gaps that I
was unable to dig up online, at least in a few minutes of
pointing/clicking/clacking. I did notice the 2019 tax forms were
unavailable, can't wait to diff 2018 2019 (the addition of 0's will be
magical). I had a hard time sleeping last night thinking about how one
little phone call back in 1980 could result in all this.
So Hank transferred the block of IPs to you, individually? Was that the
kind of thing where you were all working on a campus together and it was
all word-of-mouth or was it a more formal act on paper? In 2010 though,
why did Brian need to ask Hank at all? I mean at that point, they were
your individual property. I'm surprised whatever university you were
attending did not try to stake a claim to them. Was there any paper trail
regarding the ownership / transfer between the original 1980 phone call
request and ARDC's inheritance?
This is one of the most amazing stories and biggest mind-blowers I have
encountered in amateur radio history. Has anyone written an article /
short story about this? If-not, someone needs to etch this one into the
books, it's quite incredible.
Joseph Armbruster
KJ4JIO
On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 1:46 AM Phil Karn via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:
> On 9/10/20 19:40, Bruce Perens via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> >
> > In the present time, people have grown to take the Internet a lot more
> > seriously, and the world ran out of IPV4 addresses in their 32-bit space.
> > We now have IPV6, which has a much larger address space, but IPV4 is
> still
> > important. So, Brian and friends sold 3/4 of our addresses to Amazon for
> a
> > lot of money, and formed a non-profit to manage it.
>
> Correction: ARDC sold 1/4 (not 3/4) of its original IPv4 address block,
> 44.0.0.0/8. The part that was sold is 44.192.0.0/10, i.e., the top
> quarter, which had never been used on the "real" Internet though it had
> been used internally in some European ampr subnets.
>
> ampr.org still has the bottom 3/4 of its original assignment: 44.0.0.0/9
> and 44.128.0.0/10. Hams running IP are still able to use these two blocks.
>
> The 44.0.0.0/8 block was originally obtained by Hank Magnuski, KA6M, in
> the early 1980s, literally for the cost of a phone call. It did not see
> much use until the mid 1980s when I began work on my KA9Q NOS TCP/IP
> package; at that time, Hank transferred control of the 44 block to me.
> Brian Kantor WB6CYT and Wally Lindstruth WA6JPR soon joined in its
> management, with Brian running much of the infrastructure out of the
> University of California San Diego (UCSD) where he spent his entire career.
>
> NONE of us had any idea whatsoever that these numbers would someday have
> serious monetary value. We did amprnet simply because we really believed
> in the potential of the Internet and, as hams, felt ham radio was the
> perfect place to experiment with the Internet protocols. (Some of you
> have fond memories of those days, as do I.) We thought it was a cool
> idea that would find good uses, but we had no idea that the Internet
> over radio would change the world as much as it did. It certainly
> changed my life; in 1991 I moved from New Jersey to San Diego to accept
> a position with Qualcomm largely on the basis of my work with TCP/IP
> over ham radio, and Brian and I became very close friends.
>
> In the early 2010s, Brian obtained Hank's and my consent to transfer
> formal ownership of this address block to a nonprofit he created for the
> purpose: Amateur Radio Digital Communications, or ARDC. (Wally
> Lindstruth had passed away by this time). In 2018 and 2019, with full
> knowledge and consent of the ARDC board, Brian negotiated the sale of
> the 44.192.0.0/10 block with the proceeds to ARDC to be used for a wide
> range of charitable grants to benefit ham radio, the Internet, and
> especially the intersection of the two and their role in STEM education.
> Unfortunately, the nature of the IP address market and the size of the
> sale necessitated secrecy, which none of us liked. A nondisclosure
> agreement still limits what we can publicly say about the terms of the
> sale, though some facts can be readily determined from public sources
> such as the "whois" database and IP address market data.
>
> Brian passed away unexpectedly in November 2019 and I've taken over as
> president and chair of ARDC. Hank continues to serve on the grant review
> committee chaired by John Hays, K7VE.
>
> Since ARDC is an IRS 501(c)(3) nonprofit foundation, it is required to
> file detailed tax returns (990 forms) with the IRS; this will happen
> very shortly. By law, nonprofit tax returns are publicly available.
>
> Phil Karn, KA9Q
>
> ARDC President & Chair
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 05:25:54 -0700
From: Phil Karn <karn@????.???>
To: Joseph Armbruster <josepharmbruster@?????.???>
Cc: Amsat BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ORI receives half million dollar grant, and
it's only the first.
Message-ID: <1ab72ac8-4346-f36d-71b7-65b1944fcde0@????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
On 9/11/20 03:43, Joseph Armbruster wrote:
>
> So Hank transferred the block of IPs to you, individually?? Was that
> the kind of thing where you were all working on a campus together and
> it was all word-of-mouth or was it a more formal act on paper?? In
> 2010 though, why did Brian need to ask Hank at all?? I mean at that
> point, they were your individual property.? I'm surprised whatever
> university you were attending did not try to stake a claim to them.?
> Was there any paper trail regarding the ownership / transfer between
> the original 1980 phone call request and ARDC's inheritance?
IP addresses were registered somewhat informally in the early days when
the Internet was a research project and address blocks were free, but
they were regularly published in various Internet documents like RFCs
(Requests for Comments). When the Internet grew up, more formal entities
like ARIN (American Registry for Internet Numbers) and ICANN (Internet
Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers), among others, were created
to register who owned what and to make those databases publicly
available. At various times, Hank, Brian and I were on all these lists
next to network 44, making us each at various times the legal owners.
I haven't been a student anywhere since I graduated from CMU with my
MSEE in 1979.
Since control had been passed informally between us over the years
according to whoever was then most willing to do the work, when IPv4
addresses began to get scarce we got concerned that someone might try to
grab them from us hams. So Brian proposed to create the nonprofit ARDC
to legally own network 44. Since Hank's name and mine had also been
associated with 44 at various times, Brian thought it important to make
sure all of us were OK with it. I for one never thought twice about it.
In fact, when it later dawned on us just *how* much this thing might
soon be worth, I was even more glad that we'd all agreed.
For many years Brian rejected inquiries to buy or even lease part of
network 44, but eventually we (the ARDC board) realized that, with IPv6
finally being deployed, IPv4 addresses wouldn't be in demand forever. So
we authorized him to seek a buyer of the upper 1/4 that had never been
used. I never quite let myself believe that Brian would pull it off. But
he did, and now we have a pretty good endowment to do neat things with
in ham radio, open source and STEM education.
What really ticks me off, and always will, is that Brian had the vision
and did all the hard work yet only lived long enough to see our first
two grants (TAPR student scholarships and the ARISS power supply
project).? Fate has a truly wicked sense of humor.
Phil
------------------------------
Message: 8
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 08:47:26 -0400
From: Joseph Armbruster <josepharmbruster@?????.???>
To: Phil Karn <karn@????.???>
Cc: Amsat BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ORI receives half million dollar grant, and
it's only the first.
Message-ID:
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Phil,
I appreciate your summary of all this. Apparently, I am late to the game
on this news story, but maybe I am not the only one and hopefully others on
the -bb learned something from this moment in history. I know I sure did!!
Joseph Armbruster
KJ4JIO
On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 8:25 AM Phil Karn <karn@????.???> wrote:
> On 9/11/20 03:43, Joseph Armbruster wrote:
> >
> > So Hank transferred the block of IPs to you, individually? Was that
> > the kind of thing where you were all working on a campus together and
> > it was all word-of-mouth or was it a more formal act on paper? In
> > 2010 though, why did Brian need to ask Hank at all? I mean at that
> > point, they were your individual property. I'm surprised whatever
> > university you were attending did not try to stake a claim to them.
> > Was there any paper trail regarding the ownership / transfer between
> > the original 1980 phone call request and ARDC's inheritance?
>
> IP addresses were registered somewhat informally in the early days when
> the Internet was a research project and address blocks were free, but
> they were regularly published in various Internet documents like RFCs
> (Requests for Comments). When the Internet grew up, more formal entities
> like ARIN (American Registry for Internet Numbers) and ICANN (Internet
> Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers), among others, were created
> to register who owned what and to make those databases publicly
> available. At various times, Hank, Brian and I were on all these lists
> next to network 44, making us each at various times the legal owners.
>
> I haven't been a student anywhere since I graduated from CMU with my
> MSEE in 1979.
>
> Since control had been passed informally between us over the years
> according to whoever was then most willing to do the work, when IPv4
> addresses began to get scarce we got concerned that someone might try to
> grab them from us hams. So Brian proposed to create the nonprofit ARDC
> to legally own network 44. Since Hank's name and mine had also been
> associated with 44 at various times, Brian thought it important to make
> sure all of us were OK with it. I for one never thought twice about it.
> In fact, when it later dawned on us just *how* much this thing might
> soon be worth, I was even more glad that we'd all agreed.
>
> For many years Brian rejected inquiries to buy or even lease part of
> network 44, but eventually we (the ARDC board) realized that, with IPv6
> finally being deployed, IPv4 addresses wouldn't be in demand forever. So
> we authorized him to seek a buyer of the upper 1/4 that had never been
> used. I never quite let myself believe that Brian would pull it off. But
> he did, and now we have a pretty good endowment to do neat things with
> in ham radio, open source and STEM education.
>
> What really ticks me off, and always will, is that Brian had the vision
> and did all the hard work yet only lived long enough to see our first
> two grants (TAPR student scholarships and the ARISS power supply
> project). Fate has a truly wicked sense of humor.
>
> Phil
>
>
>
>
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