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Today's Topics:
1. Re: ORI receives half million dollar grant, and it's only the
first. (Phil Karn)
2. Re: ORI receives half million dollar grant, and it's only the
first. (Burns Fisher)
3. Re: ORI receives half million dollar grant, and it's only the
first. (Joseph Armbruster)
4. AMSAT-DL online symposium 2020 (Matthias Bopp)
5. Re: ORI receives half million dollar grant, and it's only the
first. (Phil Karn)
6. Re: ORI receives half million dollar grant, and, it's only
the first. (Michael Tondee)
7. Re: ORI receives half million dollar grant, and, it's only
the first. (Bruce Perens)
8. Re: ORI receives half million dollar grant, and it's only the
first. (Chris Thompson)
9. Re: ORI receives half million dollar grant, and, it's only
the first. (Zach Metzinger)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 06:04:22 -0700
From: Phil Karn <karn@????.???>
To: Joseph Armbruster <josepharmbruster@?????.???>
Cc: Amsat BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ORI receives half million dollar grant, and
it's only the first.
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On 9/11/20 05:47, Joseph Armbruster wrote:
> Phil,
>
> I appreciate your summary of all this.? Apparently, I am late to the
> game on this news story, but maybe I am?not the only one and hopefully
> others on the -bb learned something from this moment in?history.? I
> know I sure did!!
>
> Joseph Armbruster
> KJ4JIO
>
Sure.
It just occurred to me that I probably never posted this to amsat-bb. I
wrote it for Brian Kantor's memorial service back in early February
(which already seems a lifetime ago). It touches on the history of
amprnet and ARDC since that was so important to him.
http://www.ka9q.net/brian-eulogy.pages.pdf
--Phil
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 09:05:23 -0400
From: Burns Fisher <wb1fj-bb@??????.??>
To: Joseph Armbruster <josepharmbruster@?????.???>
Cc: Amsat BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ORI receives half million dollar grant, and
it's only the first.
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Indeed this is fascinating! Thanks for sharing it, Phil.
I wonder if there are any other non-commercial entities holding big blocks
of addresses. I suppose it would not be THAT hard to find out. (I'm
pretty sure HP via Digital holds a whole quad's worth unless they have sold
it off or split it among their various spin-offs since I worked there, but
this obviously a commercial entity).
MIT? Stanford?
73, Burns WB1FJ
On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 8:48 AM Joseph Armbruster via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> Phil,
>
> I appreciate your summary of all this. Apparently, I am late to the game
> on this news story, but maybe I am not the only one and hopefully others on
> the -bb learned something from this moment in history. I know I sure did!!
>
> Joseph Armbruster
> KJ4JIO
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 8:25 AM Phil Karn <karn@????.???> wrote:
>
> > On 9/11/20 03:43, Joseph Armbruster wrote:
> > >
> > > So Hank transferred the block of IPs to you, individually? Was that
> > > the kind of thing where you were all working on a campus together and
> > > it was all word-of-mouth or was it a more formal act on paper? In
> > > 2010 though, why did Brian need to ask Hank at all? I mean at that
> > > point, they were your individual property. I'm surprised whatever
> > > university you were attending did not try to stake a claim to them.
> > > Was there any paper trail regarding the ownership / transfer between
> > > the original 1980 phone call request and ARDC's inheritance?
> >
> > IP addresses were registered somewhat informally in the early days when
> > the Internet was a research project and address blocks were free, but
> > they were regularly published in various Internet documents like RFCs
> > (Requests for Comments). When the Internet grew up, more formal entities
> > like ARIN (American Registry for Internet Numbers) and ICANN (Internet
> > Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers), among others, were created
> > to register who owned what and to make those databases publicly
> > available. At various times, Hank, Brian and I were on all these lists
> > next to network 44, making us each at various times the legal owners.
> >
> > I haven't been a student anywhere since I graduated from CMU with my
> > MSEE in 1979.
> >
> > Since control had been passed informally between us over the years
> > according to whoever was then most willing to do the work, when IPv4
> > addresses began to get scarce we got concerned that someone might try to
> > grab them from us hams. So Brian proposed to create the nonprofit ARDC
> > to legally own network 44. Since Hank's name and mine had also been
> > associated with 44 at various times, Brian thought it important to make
> > sure all of us were OK with it. I for one never thought twice about it.
> > In fact, when it later dawned on us just *how* much this thing might
> > soon be worth, I was even more glad that we'd all agreed.
> >
> > For many years Brian rejected inquiries to buy or even lease part of
> > network 44, but eventually we (the ARDC board) realized that, with IPv6
> > finally being deployed, IPv4 addresses wouldn't be in demand forever. So
> > we authorized him to seek a buyer of the upper 1/4 that had never been
> > used. I never quite let myself believe that Brian would pull it off. But
> > he did, and now we have a pretty good endowment to do neat things with
> > in ham radio, open source and STEM education.
> >
> > What really ticks me off, and always will, is that Brian had the vision
> > and did all the hard work yet only lived long enough to see our first
> > two grants (TAPR student scholarships and the ARISS power supply
> > project). Fate has a truly wicked sense of humor.
> >
> > Phil
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 09:11:31 -0400
From: Joseph Armbruster <josepharmbruster@?????.???>
To: Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???>
Cc: drwoolweaver@?????.???? amsat bb <amsat-bb@?????.???>, Wally
Ritchie <wally.ritchie@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ORI receives half million dollar grant, and
it's only the first.
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Bruce,
When you say "everything that ARDC funds must be Open", as an observer, it
makes me squirm in my seat just a little bit. First, there's nothing in
their articles of incorporation about that, ref:
https://www.ampr.org/wp-content/uploads/articles.pdf. I know that only
means so much, and says nothing about it's membership and how they feel
about things, but it is sufficient to say, that it funded at least one
activity, namely the sale of some amateur IPs to a commercial entity, that
many would argue is not an "Open" activity. I suppose exceptions can
always be made when there are Mega-bucks involved :-). I get it. I
completely understand Phils response and how it is an action of financial
opportunity, which has and will continue to benefit the amateur community.
Nothing more to say except high-five to Phil and his crew for being in the
right place at the right time, maintaining good relationships and
leveraging a resource at a good time! Quite the story, indeed!
Joseph Armbruster
KJ4JIO
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 10:54 PM Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 7:40 PM Joseph Armbruster <
> josepharmbruster@?????.???> wrote:
>
>> If this figure is correct, can ARDC spare another, say... several million
>> for a launch for AMSAT?
>>
>
> Yeah, probably. One thing you need to be clear about. Everything that ARDC
> funds must be Open. It's their rule. So, it's going to need some change in
> the direction of AMSAT.
>
> I can't speak for the ARDC guys at all, but I know that some of them have
> reason to be upset with AMSAT and have said so. Over misdirected donations,
> and some organizational issues, and some of the technical direction, and
> definitely that "Open" thing.
>
> I knew this was happening for a long time, and it was always close to my
> mind during the election discussion, and I could not talk about it. Now you
> might understand more of were I was coming from.
>
> Thanks
>
> Bruce
>
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 13:04:06 +0000
From: Matthias Bopp <matthias.bopp@?????.??>
To: "AMSAT-BB@?????.???? <AMSAT-BB@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT-DL online symposium 2020
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AMSAT-DL Online Symposium
on September 26th 2020
Unfortunately, the AMSAT-DL Symposium planned for September 26th and 27th,
2020 cannot take place this year in the usual manner.
Since the health of everyone is very close to our hearts and the legal
framework currently leaves no other option, we have decided not to hold a
meeting on site in Bochum this year. We regret this very much, but the
premises only allow an occupancy of less than 20 persons.
A "social" meeting with dinner is unfortunately not possible either, nor is
a flea market and other activities, such as the QO-100 User Meeting, which
happened for the first time during the HAM Radio Fair in Friedrichshafen in
2019.
Instead, we will broadcast the symposium as an "online" meeting in DATV via
the broadband transponder of QO-100 and on the Internet on the YouTube
channel of AMSAT-DL (https://www.youtube.com/user/amsatdl).
Enclosed is the preliminary schedule for September 26th 2020 (all times in
CEST=UTC+2):
Start
Topic
Who
09:00
Welcome, Introduction, Agenda
Matthias DD1US
09:10
Interview with the AMSAT-DL Board of Directors:
Peter DB2OS (Chairman), Michael DD5ER, Thilo DJ5YM
Matthias DD1US
09:45
Introduction to Bochum Observatory and its Ham Radio activities
Thilo DJ5YM
10:10
The AMSAT-DL LunART project proposal to ESA
Peter DB2OS
10:35
The ADALM Pluto as part of the AMSAT-DL QO-100 control station in Bochum
Mario DL5MLO
11:10
Portable station for QO-100 based on the modules of AMSAT-DL
Matthias DD1US
12:00
Lunch break
12:45
QO-100 DX-pedition to Namibia/South Africa/Botswana
Charly DK3ZL
13:45
Digital Narrowband Operation via QO-100
Florian DF2ET
14:20
School contacts via QO-100 with DP0GVN in Antarctica
Heiner DD0KP
14:55
Update of ARISS and AREx activities
Oliver DG6BCE
15:45
Coffee break
16:00
Reception of the recently launched probes to Mars
Daniel EA4GPZ, Paul M0EYT, Achim DH2VA
16:50
Final interview with the AMSAT-DL BOD and conclusions:
Peter DB2OS (Chairman), Michael DD5ER, Thilo DJ5YM
Matthias DD1US
17:10
Introduction to the virtual QO-100 user meeting
Matthias DD1US
17:20
Virtual QO-100 user meeting via the QO-100 NB transponder
Florian DF2ET
17:50
Closing of the symposium and virtual QO-100 user meeting
Matthias DD1US
Due to the international audience, most of the lectures will be held in
English. The current schedule can be found on the AMSAT-DL homepage at
https://amsat-dl.org.
We would like to invite you all, also on behalf of the AMSAT-DL board, to
this year's AMSAT-DL online conference and the virtual QO-100 user meeting.
Jens DH6BB, Lenz DL8RDL, Florian DF2ET and Matthias DD1US
Please send any queries to Matthias DD1US
------------------------------
Message: 5
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 06:41:21 -0700
From: Phil Karn <karn@????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ORI receives half million dollar grant, and
it's only the first.
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On 9/11/20 06:11, Joseph Armbruster via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> Bruce,
>
> When you say "everything that ARDC funds must be Open", as an observer, it
> makes me squirm in my seat just a little bit. First, there's nothing in
> their articles of incorporation about that, ref:
> https://www.ampr.org/wp-content/uploads/articles.pdf.
Nonprofits are advised to keep their articles of incorporation as
general as possible and put the more specific stuff in the Bylaws where
they can be more easily changed as needed.
> I know that only
> means so much, and says nothing about it's membership and how they feel
> about things, but it is sufficient to say, that it funded at least one
> activity, namely the sale of some amateur IPs to a commercial entity, that
> many would argue is not an "Open" activity. I suppose exceptions can
> always be made when there are Mega-bucks involved :-). I get it. I
> completely understand Phils response and how it is an action of financial
> opportunity, which has and will continue to benefit the amateur community.
> Nothing more to say except high-five to Phil and his crew for being in the
> right place at the right time, maintaining good relationships and
> leveraging a resource at a good time! Quite the story, indeed!
ARDC is not a membership organization. Its policy is set by its board of
directors.
We have a pretty specific and widely accepted definition of "open": any
intellectual property we fund must be made freely available under one of
the accepted open source or Creative Commons licenses, as appropriate.
It does not mean that anything and everything ARDC has in its files must
be published. I don't think you'd expect us to openly publish access
credentials for our investment accounts, for example. But we will
release our financial information as required for any nonprofit.
ARDC expects to fund most open IP development through grants, but we may
also offer to "buy out" certain specific pieces of existing IP. E.g., we
may pay the publisher of a book or magazine or the author of a
proprietary computer program that we consider especially valuable to
make their work freely available under an open source or Creative
Commons license. Either way, ARDC's primary purpose is to increase the
amount of freely available technology, technical and educational
information available to hams and other experimenters.
Since our ultimate goal is education, we also contribute to scholarship
funds. This year we created a block of new scholarships through the
Foundation for Amateur Radio and we also matched, dollar for dollar,
every existing scholarship awarded by the ARRL Foundation.
Phil
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 11:02:47 -0400
From: Michael Tondee <mat_62@???????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ORI receives half million dollar grant, and,
it's only the first.
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Wow! Sounds like you guys have done and are doing an awful lot for the
hobby. My thanks to you. It appears there are resources out there if
AMSAT is willing to do what's necessary to have access to them. I guess
the question is what's that involve? Is it simply just going open source
or is there more to it than that? Are there other stumbling blocks that
they wouldn't be comfortable with for some reason?
73,
Michael, W4HIJ
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 22:41:39 -0700
> From: Phil Karn <karn@????.???>
> To: amsat-bb@?????.???
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ORI receives half million dollar grant, and
> it's only the first.
> Message-ID: <38f30c90-6874-b8bc-5855-9e27bbb3bf66@????.???>
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>
> On 9/10/20 19:40, Bruce Perens via AMSAT-BB wrote:
>> In the present time, people have grown to take the Internet a lot more
>> seriously, and the world ran out of IPV4 addresses in their 32-bit space.
>> We now have IPV6, which has a much larger address space, but IPV4 is still
>> important. So, Brian and friends sold 3/4 of our addresses to Amazon for a
>> lot of money, and formed a non-profit to manage it.
> Correction: ARDC sold 1/4 (not 3/4) of its original IPv4 address block,
> 44.0.0.0/8. The part that was sold is 44.192.0.0/10, i.e., the top
> quarter, which had never been used on the "real" Internet though it had
> been used internally in some European ampr subnets.
>
> ampr.org still has the bottom 3/4 of its original assignment: 44.0.0.0/9
> and 44.128.0.0/10. Hams running IP are still able to use these two blocks.
>
> The 44.0.0.0/8 block was originally obtained by Hank Magnuski, KA6M, in
> the early 1980s, literally for the cost of a phone call. It did not see
> much use until the mid 1980s when I began work on my KA9Q NOS TCP/IP
> package; at that time, Hank transferred control of the 44 block to me.
> Brian Kantor WB6CYT and Wally Lindstruth WA6JPR soon joined in its
> management, with Brian running much of the infrastructure out of the
> University of California San Diego (UCSD) where he spent his entire career.
>
> NONE of us had any idea whatsoever that these numbers would someday have
> serious monetary value. We did amprnet simply because we really believed
> in the potential of the Internet and, as hams, felt ham radio was the
> perfect place to experiment with the Internet protocols. (Some of you
> have fond memories of those days, as do I.) We thought it was a cool
> idea that would find good uses, but we had no idea that the Internet
> over radio would change the world as much as it did. It certainly
> changed my life; in 1991 I moved from New Jersey to San Diego to accept
> a position with Qualcomm largely on the basis of my work with TCP/IP
> over ham radio, and Brian and I became very close friends.
>
> In the early 2010s, Brian obtained Hank's and my consent to transfer
> formal ownership of this address block to a nonprofit he created for the
> purpose: Amateur Radio Digital Communications, or ARDC. (Wally
> Lindstruth had passed away by this time). In 2018 and 2019, with full
> knowledge and consent of the ARDC board, Brian negotiated the sale of
> the 44.192.0.0/10 block with the proceeds to ARDC to be used for a wide
> range of charitable grants to benefit ham radio, the Internet, and
> especially the intersection of the two and their role in STEM education.
> Unfortunately, the nature of the IP address market and the size of the
> sale necessitated secrecy, which none of us liked. A nondisclosure
> agreement still limits what we can publicly say about the terms of the
> sale, though some facts can be readily determined from public sources
> such as the "whois" database and IP address market data.
>
> Brian passed away unexpectedly in November 2019 and I've taken over as
> president and chair of ARDC. Hank continues to serve on the grant review
> committee chaired by John Hays, K7VE.
>
> Since ARDC is an IRS 501(c)(3) nonprofit foundation, it is required to
> file detailed tax returns (990 forms) with the IRS; this will happen
> very shortly. By law, nonprofit tax returns are publicly available.
>
> Phil Karn, KA9Q
>
> ARDC President & Chair
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:04:56 -0700
From: Bruce Perens <bruce@??????.???>
To: Michael Tondee <mat_62@???????.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ORI receives half million dollar grant, and,
it's only the first.
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On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 8:29 AM Michael Tondee via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> Is it simply just going open source or is there more to it than that? Are
> there other stumbling blocks that they wouldn't be comfortable with for
> some reason?
:-)
We've sort of just had this discussion, and yes AMSAT is very
uncomfortable. Running the project as clear of ITAR and EAR is a
requirement if you are going to put software out under an Open Source
license and all of your other technical documentation under a Creative
Commons license, and we have told you how to do that but people seem to be
dubious so far. This also means the project has to be free of NDAs, at
least for the funded part, and if you remember from past discussion the
board found it really offensive that the new directors wanted to know what
AMSAT's NDAs were and were inclined to get rid of them wherever possible.
Essentially, you can copy what we are doing at ORI.
But now, AMSAT is going to do that.
AMSAT will not go Open Source because it is the right thing to do.
AMSAT will not go Open Source because it allows them to collaborate with
the international AMSAT organizations, LibreSpace, and ORI.
AMSAT will not go Open Source because it provides the maximum benefit to
Radio Amateurs.
AMSAT will not go Open Source because it allows them to dispense with the
pain of ITAR and EAR compliance.
NO!
AMSAT will go Open Source because THEY ARE BEING OFFERED MONEY TO DO SO,
and THAT is the AMERICAN WAY!
:-)
OK, excuse me for having some fun with you. But there is an element of
truth in that.
Thanks
Bruce
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 13:50:20 -0400
From: Chris Thompson <g0kla@????.???>
To: Burns Fisher <wb1fj-bb@??????.??>
Cc: Amsat BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ORI receives half million dollar grant, and
it's only the first.
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I had heard the story before, maybe from Phil at Symposium, but it is good
to hear it again. I remember fondly using KA9Q NOS TCP/IP when I was at
University. We used it to demo connecting to the PDP11 in the radio shack
from a Sinclair Z88 using a TNC and PYE Westminster with a packet crystal.
That was in front of all the incoming Electronic Eng and Comp Sci
students. The whole setup fitted in a brief case. We picked up quite a
few new members from that. It was great stuff.
We definitely need more of that type of thing today. Thanks for guiding
this money into a fund that benefits Amateur Radio and STEM. I think that
is fantastic,
73
Chris
On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 9:13 AM Burns Fisher via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> Indeed this is fascinating! Thanks for sharing it, Phil.
>
> I wonder if there are any other non-commercial entities holding big blocks
> of addresses. I suppose it would not be THAT hard to find out. (I'm
> pretty sure HP via Digital holds a whole quad's worth unless they have sold
> it off or split it among their various spin-offs since I worked there, but
> this obviously a commercial entity).
> MIT? Stanford?
>
> 73, Burns WB1FJ
>
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 8:48 AM Joseph Armbruster via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
> > Phil,
> >
> > I appreciate your summary of all this. Apparently, I am late to the game
> > on this news story, but maybe I am not the only one and hopefully others
> on
> > the -bb learned something from this moment in history. I know I sure
> did!!
> >
> > Joseph Armbruster
> > KJ4JIO
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 8:25 AM Phil Karn <karn@????.???> wrote:
> >
> > > On 9/11/20 03:43, Joseph Armbruster wrote:
> > > >
> > > > So Hank transferred the block of IPs to you, individually? Was that
> > > > the kind of thing where you were all working on a campus together and
> > > > it was all word-of-mouth or was it a more formal act on paper? In
> > > > 2010 though, why did Brian need to ask Hank at all? I mean at that
> > > > point, they were your individual property. I'm surprised whatever
> > > > university you were attending did not try to stake a claim to them.
> > > > Was there any paper trail regarding the ownership / transfer between
> > > > the original 1980 phone call request and ARDC's inheritance?
> > >
> > > IP addresses were registered somewhat informally in the early days when
> > > the Internet was a research project and address blocks were free, but
> > > they were regularly published in various Internet documents like RFCs
> > > (Requests for Comments). When the Internet grew up, more formal
> entities
> > > like ARIN (American Registry for Internet Numbers) and ICANN (Internet
> > > Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers), among others, were created
> > > to register who owned what and to make those databases publicly
> > > available. At various times, Hank, Brian and I were on all these lists
> > > next to network 44, making us each at various times the legal owners.
> > >
> > > I haven't been a student anywhere since I graduated from CMU with my
> > > MSEE in 1979.
> > >
> > > Since control had been passed informally between us over the years
> > > according to whoever was then most willing to do the work, when IPv4
> > > addresses began to get scarce we got concerned that someone might try
> to
> > > grab them from us hams. So Brian proposed to create the nonprofit ARDC
> > > to legally own network 44. Since Hank's name and mine had also been
> > > associated with 44 at various times, Brian thought it important to make
> > > sure all of us were OK with it. I for one never thought twice about it.
> > > In fact, when it later dawned on us just *how* much this thing might
> > > soon be worth, I was even more glad that we'd all agreed.
> > >
> > > For many years Brian rejected inquiries to buy or even lease part of
> > > network 44, but eventually we (the ARDC board) realized that, with IPv6
> > > finally being deployed, IPv4 addresses wouldn't be in demand forever.
> So
> > > we authorized him to seek a buyer of the upper 1/4 that had never been
> > > used. I never quite let myself believe that Brian would pull it off.
> But
> > > he did, and now we have a pretty good endowment to do neat things with
> > > in ham radio, open source and STEM education.
> > >
> > > What really ticks me off, and always will, is that Brian had the vision
> > > and did all the hard work yet only lived long enough to see our first
> > > two grants (TAPR student scholarships and the ARISS power supply
> > > project). Fate has a truly wicked sense of humor.
> > >
> > > Phil
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 18:28:12 -0500
From: Zach Metzinger <zmetzing@?????.???>
To: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ORI receives half million dollar grant, and,
it's only the first.
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On 2020-09-11 12:04, Bruce Perens via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> OK, excuse me for having some fun with you. But there is an element of
> truth in that.
Bruce,
I speak only for myself and on behalf of none.
Irrespective of the bazillions that ARDC might be giving your
organization, but I and I suspect many potential volunteers are being
turned off by your incessant berating and criticizing of AMSAT (NA).
I've got a fixed number of hours to volunteer, and I prefer to give
those to an organization that isn't trying to undermine another. Live
and let live, and "vote with your feet" as a friend used to say.
ORI is not something I want to be associated with, at this point.
73,
--- Zach
N0ZGO
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