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Today's Topics:
1. PCSat pass (TJ Campie)
2. HRD and linear birds (Ted)
3. W5PFG/P DM81/82 short notice - op tonight (Clayton Coleman)
4. Re: HRD and linear birds (Stefan Wagener)
5. Re: AO-7 (Jim Jerzycke)
6. Re: HRD and linear birds (David W0DHB)
7. For Sale 2m - 10m transverter (Connie Dodson)
8. Re: AO-7 (Joe)
9. Re: AO-7 (Daniel Cussen)
10. Re: HRD and linear birds (David)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 19:07:12 -0500
From: TJ Campie <tom.campie@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] PCSat pass
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I heard a packet, didn't decode but that was it. And a 90 deg pass too!
Tough cookie. Got a couple packets gated by ISS on the overlapping pass
and sent a few messages to the stations heard but nothing got ACK'd. Next
time!
GL out there.
73, W0EA
TJ
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 17:20:38 -0700
From: "Ted" <k7trkradio@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "'AMSAT BB'" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] HRD and linear birds
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Hi Michael ...good points, however, the fact is that HRD does not perform
the proper doppler adjustments. Does it look good? Does it integrate with
your log book? Does it have a better graphical presentation? YES to all
these questions. But, to prove to yourself the doppler problem, start HRD
Sat program and SATPC32 in the same window. Make sure all keps are updated
and apples are apples as they say. A radio hook up is not necessary. Now,
pick the same sat in a pass that is good for your location. As it tracks,
look at the data from SATPC32 and the data from HRD. You will see that the
AZ is virtually the same. BUT Note the figures for range, altitude and
elevation. You will Cleary see a huge difference. The graphic picture will
look like the sat is in the same place but something is clearly not right
with the HRD data. And, thus it does not tune the radio properly for linear
use. For some reason, it worked great on the old FM birds like AO51, etc.,
but again, not with linear.
I have personally discussed these issues with Rick Ruhl, the HRD co-owner. I
believe they intend to fix the issue sometime in the future, but to date,
they have concentrated on fixing and updating the basic program. It's an
issue of priorities based on 'supply and demand' from the user base. Sat
operation is a niche group, so they have put us at the back of the bus in
terms of development. That is just the way it is.
Also, HRD 's sat program DOES NOT work for the ISS (neither does SATPC32 but
they have the ISS add on.
What you can do, though, is take advantage of the great HRD graphic
presentation to visually follow things and use SATPC32 to run your radio. If
you have 2 screens or a TV in the shack, you can through the HRD picture to
those for a full screen graphic presentation and thus have full screen SATPC
on your main computer.
Good luck in the journey and congrats on the 9100
73, Ted
K7TRK
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From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On Behalf Of Mvivona via
AMSAT-BB
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 2:59 PM
To: Paul Stoetzer
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx Vivona, Michael (CMG-Orlando)
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] HRD and linear birds
Paul,
I am only giving my humble opinion here, but to answer your question of why
I want to use HRD over SatPC32.
After using both, my conclusions are that they are not even in the same
class.
HRD is a one stop full integrated software suite for everything a ham could
ever need. Logbook with synchronized web call lookup, digital mode module,
satellite module, mapping that visually shows all your logbook contacts, rig
control, remote access, rotor control, dual radio sync, built in solar cycle
progression, DX cluster window, built in calendar, fully configurable user
layouts throughout the entire suite.
SatPC32 is a satellite tracking program that has rig control via the sat
window, and rotor control. It to me is quite clunky and has that old timey
DOS look and feel.
Please, I don't want this to turn into a pi$$ing match. I am just trying to
be as true to myself as I can. Me being a life long systems administrator
and programmer have watched the upward progression of HRD over the years and
have been in awe with everything Simon has accomplished. If what I'm hearing
is that I just have to use SatPC32 for linear birds, then so be it. At the
same time I am also hearing from many users that they only use SatPC32 or
HRD just to track, but actually run their rigs by hand for the Doppler
offset. So, maybe it's a moot point, I don't know?
I really want to thank you guys for all your input in making me a better
operator.
Michael Vivona
KC4ZVA
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 24, 2015, at 5:14 PM, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
Even if you were to test it at AES, I doubt they have adequate antennas
(and, even more importantly, feedline) set up for decent satellite
reception, so it may not make a good test.
May I ask why you are so eager to use HRD for this purpose? An IC-9100 is
probably the best satellite transceiver on the market and many hams use them
very successfully as part of a fully computer controlled satellite station -
with SatPC32.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Andrew Glasbrenner
<glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> Repeated over a few high elevation passes, actually working stations. It
may work for you.
>
> Don't get me wrong, I like HRD. I used it last night with my IC-910 to
work 2m Eskip remotely while out of town. However, I don't know a single
active transponder op that uses it successfully. I invite them to step
forward and speak up.
>
> Myself, the response from HRD you got would give me significant pause. On
the other hand the author of SatPC32 is an active participant here, and has
provided outstanding, even custom, support.
>
> 73, Drew KO4MA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 24, 2015, at 4:55 PM, Mvivona <Mvivona@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Andrew,
>> OK, so the test would be for me to wait for a pass of an SSB bird like
FO-29. Let HRD take control of the transceiver, manually override till I
hear my return. Then let HRD take over and see if it holds the Doppler
offset lock for the entire pass. Is that the test Andrew?
>>
>> Michael Vivona
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jun 24, 2015, at 2:17 PM, Andrew Glasbrenner
<glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>>
>> In my case, from hearing a dozen+ ops try it on the air. The tuning does
not update the frequencies fast enough for use on SSB. In every case I've
been involved with, switching to SatPC32 solved the problem. $45 for SatPC32
will make that $2500 radio sing on the transponders.
>>
>> 73, Drew KO4MA
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 24, 2015, at 2:00 PM, Mvivona via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm confused. How do you know it doesn't work if you don't know what the
issue is? Just sayin'.
>>>
>>> Michael Vivona
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Jun 24, 2015, at 1:41 PM, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> The automatic Doppler control does not work properly. I've never
>>> tried it, so I'm not sure what the actual issue is.
>>>
>>> SatPC32 is the way to go for computer control on the linear
transponders.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> Paul, N8HM
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Vivona, Michael (CMG-Orlando)
>>> <michael.vivona@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
>>>> I am trying to get a clarification about using HamRadioDeluxe and
linear birds. I have heard on several occasions that HRD and its associated
satellite tracking module works fine for FM birds but not for linear birds.
Can someone please clarify what the actual issue is? I currently have HRD
version 6X and I am looking to purchase an IC9100 to mate it with. I have
contacted the HRD support folks, but the answer I get is: "not sure, try
it". Well, I don't have the IC9100 yet so I can't try it.
>>>> I have permission from my local AES outlet store to connect up my
laptop to one of there IC9100 before I buy it. So, I need to know what the
actual problem is with HRD and linear birds so I can try it in person.
>>>> I hope to get to the bottom of this once and for all.thanks in advance
for anyone that wants to jump in on this.
>>>>
>>>> Michael Vivona
>>>> Sent from my iPad
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 19:21:36 -0500
From: Clayton Coleman <kayakfishtx@xxxxx.xxx>
To: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] W5PFG/P DM81/82 short notice - op tonight
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I'll try SO-50 at 0100 UTC tonight (25-June) from the DM81/82 line near
Midland, TX.
73
Clayton
W5PFG
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 19:46:57 -0500
From: Stefan Wagener <wageners@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Mvivona <Mvivona@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>, Paul Stoetzer
<n8hm@xxxx.xxx>, "Vivona, Michael \(CMG-Orlando\)"
<michael.vivona@xxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] HRD and linear birds
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"
* I am only giving my humble opinion here, but to answer your question of
why I want to use HRD over SatPC32. After using both, my conclusions are
that they are not even in the same class."*
Hi Michael,
You are correct and your are also wrong, with due respect. "*They are not
even in the same class*"
*Yes, and SatPC32 delivers where HRD is a failure!* If you truly believe
that HRD is "*one stop full integrated software suite for everything a ham
could ever need*" you might want to check the forums and the constant need
for fixes. Having a shiny user interface does nothing if things don't work.
SatPC32 works, it doesn't need fixes, it gets regular updates, that's what
is important. My request to Erich (the author) for an additional function
gets a positive response within days!!!!!
SatPC32 is simple (you call it clunky) and the functionality is right on.
It does what it promises and even better. It is fully supported, free
upgrades, supports AMSAT and yes, it is a satellite tracking radio and
rotor control program that simply works! That's all. HRD gives you a shiny
GUI and fails horrible on the satellite function, just to mention one
failure....
Rest my case,
73 Stefan, VE4NSA
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 4:58 PM, Mvivona via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
wrote:
> Paul,
> I am only giving my humble opinion here, but to answer your question of
> why I want to use HRD over SatPC32.
> After using both, my conclusions are that they are not even in the same
> class.
>
> HRD is a one stop full integrated software suite for everything a ham
> could ever need. Logbook with synchronized web call lookup, digital mode
> module, satellite module, mapping that visually shows all your logbook
> contacts, rig control, remote access, rotor control, dual radio sync, built
> in solar cycle progression, DX cluster window, built in calendar, fully
> configurable user layouts throughout the entire suite.
>
> SatPC32 is a satellite tracking program that has rig control via the sat
> window, and rotor control. It to me is quite clunky and has that old timey
> DOS look and feel.
>
> Please, I don't want this to turn into a pi$$ing match. I am just trying
> to be as true to myself as I can. Me being a life long systems
> administrator and programmer have watched the upward progression of HRD
> over the years and have been in awe with everything Simon has accomplished.
> If what I'm hearing is that I just have to use SatPC32 for linear birds,
> then so be it. At the same time I am also hearing from many users that they
> only use SatPC32 or HRD just to track, but actually run their rigs by hand
> for the Doppler offset. So, maybe it's a moot point, I don't know?
>
> I really want to thank you guys for all your input in making me a better
> operator.
>
> Michael Vivona
> KC4ZVA
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 24, 2015, at 5:14 PM, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> Even if you were to test it at AES, I doubt they have adequate
> antennas (and, even more importantly, feedline) set up for decent
> satellite reception, so it may not make a good test.
>
> May I ask why you are so eager to use HRD for this purpose? An IC-9100
> is probably the best satellite transceiver on the market and many hams
> use them very successfully as part of a fully computer controlled
> satellite station - with SatPC32.
>
> 73,
>
> Paul, N8HM
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Andrew Glasbrenner
> <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> > Repeated over a few high elevation passes, actually working stations. It
> may work for you.
> >
> > Don't get me wrong, I like HRD. I used it last night with my IC-910 to
> work 2m Eskip remotely while out of town. However, I don't know a single
> active transponder op that uses it successfully. I invite them to step
> forward and speak up.
> >
> > Myself, the response from HRD you got would give me significant pause.
> On the other hand the author of SatPC32 is an active participant here, and
> has provided outstanding, even custom, support.
> >
> > 73, Drew KO4MA
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jun 24, 2015, at 4:55 PM, Mvivona <Mvivona@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks Andrew,
> >> OK, so the test would be for me to wait for a pass of an SSB bird like
> FO-29. Let HRD take control of the transceiver, manually override till I
> hear my return. Then let HRD take over and see if it holds the Doppler
> offset lock for the entire pass. Is that the test Andrew?
> >>
> >> Michael Vivona
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >> On Jun 24, 2015, at 2:17 PM, Andrew Glasbrenner <
> glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> >>
> >> In my case, from hearing a dozen+ ops try it on the air. The tuning
> does not update the frequencies fast enough for use on SSB. In every case
> I've been involved with, switching to SatPC32 solved the problem. $45 for
> SatPC32 will make that $2500 radio sing on the transponders.
> >>
> >> 73, Drew KO4MA
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Jun 24, 2015, at 2:00 PM, Mvivona via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I'm confused. How do you know it doesn't work if you don't know what
> the issue is? Just sayin'.
> >>>
> >>> Michael Vivona
> >>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>
> >>> On Jun 24, 2015, at 1:41 PM, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> The automatic Doppler control does not work properly. I've never tried
> >>> it, so I'm not sure what the actual issue is.
> >>>
> >>> SatPC32 is the way to go for computer control on the linear
> transponders.
> >>>
> >>> 73,
> >>>
> >>> Paul, N8HM
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Vivona, Michael (CMG-Orlando)
> >>> <michael.vivona@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
> >>>> I am trying to get a clarification about using HamRadioDeluxe and
> linear birds. I have heard on several occasions that HRD and its associated
> satellite tracking module works fine for FM birds but not for linear birds.
> Can someone please clarify what the actual issue is? I currently have HRD
> version 6X and I am looking to purchase an IC9100 to mate it with. I have
> contacted the HRD support folks, but the answer I get is: "not sure, try
> it". Well, I don't have the IC9100 yet so I can't try it.
> >>>> I have permission from my local AES outlet store to connect up my
> laptop to one of there IC9100 before I buy it. So, I need to know what the
> actual problem is with HRD and linear birds so I can try it in person.
> >>>> I hope to get to the bottom of this once and for all.thanks in
> advance for anyone that wants to jump in on this.
> >>>>
> >>>> Michael Vivona
> >>>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> >>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions expressed
> >>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
> of AMSAT-NA.
> >>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
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> >>> _______________________________________________
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 02:37:10 +0000
From: Jim Jerzycke <kq6ea@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO-7
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And as Drew mentioned the other day, if it gets hammered too hard with
excessive uplink power, it will either flip modes, or reset.
I'm taking my Buddipole and a length of coax for a 10 Meter antenna this
weekend, "Just In Case"!
73, Jim KQ6EA
On 06/24/2015 10:27 PM, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
> No. When the satellite powers up after losing power in eclipse, it
> comes up by default in Mode B and pretty much enters Mode A randomly,
> usually when someone transmits with too much power, causing a voltage
> drop that causes the satellite to switch modes.
>
> When the satellite is in constant sunlight, it does switch between
> Mode A and Mode B every 24 hours, but there are never very many users
> of Mode A.
>
> Between October and December of this year, this will be the case and
> Mode A should be available every other day, but after that, AO-7 will
> not be in constant sunlight for many years.
>
> 73,
>
> Paul, N8HM
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Joe <nss@xxx.xxx> wrote:
>> This has peaked my interest in this old bird.
>> Is there a schedule someplace that I can view to know when it will be in
>> mode "A"?
>>
>> Joe WB9SBD
>> --
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 22:53:12 -0600
From: "David W0DHB" <dave@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "'Vivona, Michael \(CMG-Orlando\)'" <michael.vivona@xxxx.xxx>,
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] HRD and linear birds
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Michael
My experience with HRD for linear birds got some different results than
others have observed.
- I found the Doppler tuning worked very well, I did test it side by side
with SATPC32 as well as QSOs with others using SATPC32 and we tracked each
other well.
- I did like the user interface
- I would recommend it for hf/Terrestrial operations
But... After a year or so of struggling with HRD for satellite operations, I
am now a happy SatPC32 user.
Several reasons:
HRD is focusing on their main products, HRD rig control and the logging
software
About halfway through the beta program they broke Doppler Tuning for
PowerSDR/SmartSDR (Flex Radios) and it still doesn't work.
Satellite Rig control for any radio I tried, TS2000 and IC9100 did not set
TX/RX modes.
I never could get IC9100 Satellite rig control working properly with it.
SatPC32 is not the most glamorous user interface, but is very feature rich,
I am still learning new things about its' capabilities.
SatPC32 was developed by an Amateur satellite expert who uses it for his own
operations, its' functionality has evolved over many years based on many
hours of operation by amateurs world-wide.
My $.02
Dave
W0DHB
-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On Behalf Of Vivona,
Michael (CMG-Orlando)
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 10:43 AM
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] HRD and linear birds
I am trying to get a clarification about using HamRadioDeluxe and linear
birds. I have heard on several occasions that HRD and its associated
satellite tracking module works fine for FM birds but not for linear birds.
Can someone please clarify what the actual issue is? I currently have HRD
version 6X and I am looking to purchase an IC9100 to mate it with. I have
contacted the HRD support folks, but the answer I get is: "not sure, try
it". Well, I don't have the IC9100 yet so I can't try it.
I have permission from my local AES outlet store to connect up my laptop to
one of there IC9100 before I buy it. So, I need to know what the actual
problem is with HRD and linear birds so I can try it in person.
I hope to get to the bottom of this once and for all.thanks in advance for
anyone that wants to jump in on this.
Michael Vivona
Sent from my iPad
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 21:36:59 -0600
From: Connie Dodson <gcjd1947@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] For Sale 2m - 10m transverter
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I see the listing was Jan 2015.
Is it still available?
Connie
w7cjd
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 07:56:18 -0500
From: Joe <nss@xxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO-7
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I just downloaded and installed Orbitron.
Now, When I ran it last night, where it said AO-7 was, and where this page
http://www.n2yo.com/?s=7530
Says it is, was not even close to being the same. One had it over south
Africa, and the other way up northern Canada.
They both can't be right, how is one to find out what one is right?
Joe WB9SBD
Sig
The Original Rolling Ball Clock
Idle Tyme
Idle-Tyme.com
http://www.idle-tyme.com
On 6/24/2015 9:08 AM, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
> AO-7 Mode A was always a bit weak compared to AO-6 and the RS birds
> from what I have read.
>
> Here's audio of a QSO between me and AC0RA on a nice high pass back in
> December. I was using an AlexLoop Walkham Portable Magnetic Loop to
> receive the downlink.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpeJ-l_E1po
>
> 73.
>
> Paul, N8HM
>
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 9:02 AM, Joe <nss@xxx.xxx> wrote:
>> Ahhh OK,
>> I was thinking that,
>> So what is this old bird like when in Mode A,
>> How are signal levels as compared to when she was new in the 70's?
>>
>> Joe WB9SBD
>> Sig
>> The Original Rolling Ball Clock
>> Idle Tyme
>> Idle-Tyme.com
>> http://www.idle-tyme.com
>> On 6/24/2015 7:58 AM, Andrew Glasbrenner wrote:
>>> Mode B, vs. Mode A
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Jun 24, 2015, at 8:41 AM, Joe <nss@xxx.xxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> AO-7B
>>>>
>>>> "B"?
>>>>
>>>> Joe WB9SBD
>>>> Sig
>>>> The Original Rolling Ball Clock
>>>> Idle Tyme
>>>> Idle-Tyme.com
>>>> http://www.idle-tyme.com
>>>>> On 6/23/2015 10:13 PM, Jim Jerzycke wrote:
>>>>> It seemed to be working OK this afternoon, as I made several contacts on
>>>>> it.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73, Jim KQ6EA
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 06/24/2015 02:59 AM, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
>>>>>> It also seems like the past couple of days is when AO-7B really hasn't
>>>>>> been heard much. Perhaps the geomagnetic storms have been a factor
>>>>>> too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paul, N8HM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Andrew Glasbrenner
>>>>>> <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>>>>>>> AO-7 is switching to Mode A or off when stations are overtaxing the
>>>>>>> transponder with excessive uplink power, especially on CW. If you
plan on
>>>>>>> AO-7 for field day, plan on Mode A and have a backup.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 73, Drew KO4MA
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jun 23, 2015, at 4:50 PM, W. M. Willoughby <redski@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is anyone working AO-7B successfully? I am not hearing it and the
>>>>>>>> Live OSCAR Satellite Status Page is showing a variety of heard, not
heard
>>>>>>>> and conflicting reports. It also appears to be randomly switching
to mode A.
>>>>>>>> Does anyone have any info?
>>>>>>>> Thanks,RedKC4LE@xxxxx.xxx
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 14:14:14 +0100
From: Daniel Cussen <dan@xxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO-7
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Orbitron uses TLE files for prediction like everyone else. There are
options for sources of TLE's in the settings page.
Some of the options do not work, as some of the suppliers of TLEs have
changed the formats and requirements.
Download:
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ftp/keps/current/nasabare.txt
From:
http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/tools/keps.php
under "Bare NASA (2-line) format elements for all satellites of
interest to radio amateurs (updated 25 Jun, 2015)
Right click and save the txt file on your computer.
The on Orbitron's main page on the right click LOAD TLE (near the
time) and select the file.
You can get Orbitron to download some automatically, but many of the
options no longer work. You should also synchronise your PC clock
which is another option in the settings.
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 09:55:01 -0400
From: "David" <dwarnberg@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "'David W0DHB'" <dave@xxxxx.xxx>, "'Vivona, Michael
\(CMG-Orlando\)'" <michael.vivona@xxxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] HRD and linear birds
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I'll throw in 2 cents of my own based on my experiences as a newbie to the
whole SAT communication world, I'm no expert.
First I started with an HT and an Arrow antenna just wanting to listen...
naturally after a few short successful passes where I heard conversations I
was hooked.
I already had HRD (latest version) that I used with my TS-590 so the SAT
portion of it was a shoe in for me I thought. So I did my research and
stepped up and bought a shiny new IC-9100. So here is where it all starts.
Hooked up the new IC9100 and started playing.. HRD would control the rig
without issue, but it didn't put it in "SAT" mode when I was attempting to
track a sat pass.. after several attempts I finally figured it out...
mostly, it does track and control your rig "ok" with SATS like SO-50, but no
tone control, attempted FO-29.. no go, it would control receive side but not
the transmit side correctly.. more testing.. my ultimate goal here (being a
newbie) was to have software control the rig so I could concentrate on the
communication without having to deal with radio tuning as well (although the
IC-9100 makes that very easy now that I have it figured out)..
Anyway, to make a long story short I got frustrated with HRD (keep in mind
I'm using egg beaters with pre amps, no rotator control necessary), so I
gave SATPC32 a shot.. As most have stated the learning curve it higher with
SATPC32 however it does handle the IC-9100 SAT control quite well, puts the
rig in SAT mode, tunes both receive and transmit sides correctly regardless
of SAT mode (FM, linear inverting, etc).. it's not pretty but it works
well..
So bottom line, to each his own... My suggestion is to do your research,
check out all options and test.. then test some more, find what works for
you.
My preference for SAT work is SATPC32 to control the rig, Heavens Above on
my tablet to see what's coming...
Thanks
David, KK4QOE
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From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On Behalf Of David W0DHB
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 12:53 AM
To: 'Vivona, Michael (CMG-Orlando)'; amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] HRD and linear birds
Michael
My experience with HRD for linear birds got some different results than
others have observed.
- I found the Doppler tuning worked very well, I did test it side by side
with SATPC32 as well as QSOs with others using SATPC32 and we tracked each
other well.
- I did like the user interface
- I would recommend it for hf/Terrestrial operations
But... After a year or so of struggling with HRD for satellite operations, I
am now a happy SatPC32 user.
Several reasons:
HRD is focusing on their main products, HRD rig control and the logging
software About halfway through the beta program they broke Doppler Tuning
for PowerSDR/SmartSDR (Flex Radios) and it still doesn't work.
Satellite Rig control for any radio I tried, TS2000 and IC9100 did not set
TX/RX modes.
I never could get IC9100 Satellite rig control working properly with it.
SatPC32 is not the most glamorous user interface, but is very feature rich,
I am still learning new things about its' capabilities.
SatPC32 was developed by an Amateur satellite expert who uses it for his own
operations, its' functionality has evolved over many years based on many
hours of operation by amateurs world-wide.
My $.02
Dave
W0DHB
-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On Behalf Of Vivona,
Michael (CMG-Orlando)
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 10:43 AM
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] HRD and linear birds
I am trying to get a clarification about using HamRadioDeluxe and linear
birds. I have heard on several occasions that HRD and its associated
satellite tracking module works fine for FM birds but not for linear birds.
Can someone please clarify what the actual issue is? I currently have HRD
version 6X and I am looking to purchase an IC9100 to mate it with. I have
contacted the HRD support folks, but the answer I get is: "not sure, try
it". Well, I don't have the IC9100 yet so I can't try it.
I have permission from my local AES outlet store to connect up my laptop to
one of there IC9100 before I buy it. So, I need to know what the actual
problem is with HRD and linear birds so I can try it in person.
I hope to get to the bottom of this once and for all.thanks in advance for
anyone that wants to jump in on this.
Michael Vivona
Sent from my iPad
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