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Today's Topics:
1. report RX NO-84 (LW8EXS)
2. Re: SO-50 Yesterday at 1738Z (James Lea - WX4TV)
3. Re: SO-50 Yesterday at 1738Z (Gus)
4. Re: SO-50 Yesterday at 1738Z (Paul Stoetzer)
5. Re: SO-50 Yesterday at 1738Z (Dave Webb KB1PVH)
6. Re: SO-50 Yesterday at 1738Z (Egon)
7. Re: SO-50 Yesterday at 1738Z (John Brier)
8. Re: SO-50 Yesterday at 1738Z (Jim Walls)
9. Re: SO-50 Yesterday at 1738Z (John Geiger)
10. Portable rotator (Bill Attwood)
11. Re: SO-50 Yesterday at 1738Z (James Lea - WX4TV)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 12:44:38 -0300
From: "LW8EXS" <lw8exs@xxxxx.xxx.xx>
To: "AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] report RX NO-84
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15:42 UTC
1:Fm PSAT-1 To APOFF Via ARISS <UI R Pid=F0 Len=50> [12:38:07R]
!05 . S\078 . WS120/999/W3ADO s#013652,0z290
1:Fm PSAT-1 To APOFF Via ARISS <UI R Pid=F0 Len=52> [12:38:07R]
s#013652,0z290,efGhaadHAEDIcgGgceeI0AEJchGgdgeIbbFJ
1:Fm PSAT-1 To APOFF Via ARISS <UI R Pid=F0 Len=34> [12:39:24R]
T#172,896,073,615,789,834,00011100
1:Fm PSAT-1 To APOFF Via ARISS <UI R Pid=F0 Len=50> [12:39:41R]
!08 . S\072 . WS120/999/W3ADO s#013653,0z290
1:Fm PSAT-1 To APOFF Via ARISS <UI R Pid=F0 Len=52> [12:39:41R]
s#013653,0z290,aeHehEfbgeIAaDJdhFgdgfJacEKdiGfehfJc
1:Fm PSAT-1 To APOFF Via ARISS <UI R Pid=F0 Len=34> [12:41:26R]
T#174,894,071,628,768,832,00011100
1:Fm PSAT-1 To APOFF Via ARISS <UI R Pid=F0 Len=34> [12:42:27R]
T#175,902,074,633,763,830,00011100
73s LW8EXS
Mercedes ( Buenos Aires ) Argentina
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 11:47:42 -0400
From: James Lea - WX4TV <james@xxxxx.xxx>
To: John Brier <johnbrier@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] SO-50 Yesterday at 1738Z
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That is in the works, John. I am allowing her to learn and make her own
decisions about things. Simply giving it all to her upfront doesn?t
encourage learning. Nor does belittling a little girl, as was done in a
previous message.
Thanks for the advice.
> On Aug 24, 2015, at 11:44 AM, John Brier <johnbrier@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> Not saying anyone did anything wrong but if possible it is better to make
a external speaker out cable to go into an line input in, ideally an audio
recorder, or less ideally a voice recorder. I just got a Zoom H1 for this
purpose. You may also need an audio splitter.
>
> John, KG4AKV
>
> On Aug 24, 2015 11:29 AM, "James Lea - WX4TV" <james@xxxxx.xxx
<mailto:james@xxxxx.xxx>> wrote:
> OK, Bob? I will bite. Hope, who is 9 years old and was standing on the
beach, heard his callsign and expected that it was on the recording. I am
so sorry that for the sake of AMSAT and Ham Radio in general that a 9 year
old wasn?t able to write down the callsign while holding two radios and an
antenna. Since she is so inept, perhaps she should quit the hobby
altogether. I look forward to meeting you face to face, so you can belittle
my daughter to her face.
>
> Once Paul confirmed the callsign, we were able to make it out on the
recording.
>
>
>
> > On Aug 24, 2015, at 10:45 AM, skristof@xxxxxxx.xxx
<mailto:skristof@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Whoah! Thank you for the ruling Chief Justice Bob.
> >
> > Next time we want to scare kids away from ham radio, we'll be sure to
> > give you a call.
> >
> > Did you read the part that they had the contact, but a spectator covered
> > the rest of the call sign on the recording by asking a question?
> >
> > What should they have done? Tell the spectator to "shut up, I'm doing
> > ham radio!"? Great PR for the hobby.
> >
> > Steve AI9IN
> >
> > On 2015-08-24 10:25, KO6TZ Bob wrote:
> >
> >> Basic concept....
> >>
> >> If YOU did not copy the call sign, then YOU did not make the contact !!!
> >>
> >> BOB KO6TZ
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 11:59:27 -0400
From: Gus <gus@xxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] SO-50 Yesterday at 1738Z
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Bob is completely correct.
It doesn't matter how old you are, or where you're standing, or what
equipment you choose to burden your hands with, or who you invite to
stand next to you, blabbing loudly in your ear. If you didn't copy the
callsign yourself, then you didn't complete the QSO. No relays or
outside assistance are allowed. And IIRC, contacts made on SKED don't
count either, for contests or awards.
I'm sorry if young miss Hope is disappointed. I certainly wouldn't want
to discourage her and I doubt Bob (or anyone) does either. Nor would I
want to make any interested spectator feel unwelcome, either. But facts
are facts.
Ineptitude? Belittling? Really? Let's not go there.
On 08/24/2015 11:29 AM, James Lea - WX4TV wrote:
> OK, Bob? I will bite. Hope, who is 9 years old and was standing on the
beach, heard his callsign and expected that it was on the recording. I am
so sorry that for the sake of AMSAT and Ham Radio in general that a 9 year
old wasn?t able to write down the callsign while holding two radios and an
antenna. Since she is so inept, perhaps she should quit the hobby
altogether. I look forward to meeting you face to face, so you can belittle
my daughter to her face.
>
> Once Paul confirmed the callsign, we were able to make it out on the
recording.
>
>
>
>> On Aug 24, 2015, at 10:45 AM, skristof@xxxxxxx.xxx wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Whoah! Thank you for the ruling Chief Justice Bob.
>>
>> Next time we want to scare kids away from ham radio, we'll be sure to
>> give you a call.
>>
>> Did you read the part that they had the contact, but a spectator covered
>> the rest of the call sign on the recording by asking a question?
>>
>> What should they have done? Tell the spectator to "shut up, I'm doing
>> ham radio!"? Great PR for the hobby.
>>
>> Steve AI9IN
>>
>> On 2015-08-24 10:25, KO6TZ Bob wrote:
>>
>>> Basic concept....
>>>
>>> If YOU did not copy the call sign, then YOU did not make the contact !!!
>>>
>>> BOB KO6TZ
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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AMSAT-NA.
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>>
>> Links:
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 12:02:32 -0400
From: Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@xxxx.xxx>
To: Gus <gus@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] SO-50 Yesterday at 1738Z
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She copied the callsign, but since they relied on the recording to
log, she didn't remember it. The QSO is fine.
We all have logging failures like that!
As far as contacts on sked not counting - that's incorrect. They are
just as legit as any other contact.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 11:59 AM, Gus <gus@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> Bob is completely correct.
>
> It doesn't matter how old you are, or where you're standing, or what
> equipment you choose to burden your hands with, or who you invite to stand
> next to you, blabbing loudly in your ear. If you didn't copy the callsign
> yourself, then you didn't complete the QSO. No relays or outside assistance
> are allowed. And IIRC, contacts made on SKED don't count either, for
> contests or awards.
>
> I'm sorry if young miss Hope is disappointed. I certainly wouldn't want to
> discourage her and I doubt Bob (or anyone) does either. Nor would I want to
> make any interested spectator feel unwelcome, either. But facts are facts.
>
> Ineptitude? Belittling? Really? Let's not go there.
>
>
> On 08/24/2015 11:29 AM, James Lea - WX4TV wrote:
>>
>> OK, Bob? I will bite. Hope, who is 9 years old and was standing on the
>> beach, heard his callsign and expected that it was on the recording. I am
>> so sorry that for the sake of AMSAT and Ham Radio in general that a 9 year
>> old wasn?t able to write down the callsign while holding two radios and an
>> antenna. Since she is so inept, perhaps she should quit the hobby
>> altogether. I look forward to meeting you face to face, so you can
belittle
>> my daughter to her face.
>>
>> Once Paul confirmed the callsign, we were able to make it out on the
>> recording.
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 24, 2015, at 10:45 AM, skristof@xxxxxxx.xxx wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Whoah! Thank you for the ruling Chief Justice Bob.
>>>
>>> Next time we want to scare kids away from ham radio, we'll be sure to
>>> give you a call.
>>>
>>> Did you read the part that they had the contact, but a spectator covered
>>> the rest of the call sign on the recording by asking a question?
>>>
>>> What should they have done? Tell the spectator to "shut up, I'm doing
>>> ham radio!"? Great PR for the hobby.
>>>
>>> Steve AI9IN
>>>
>>> On 2015-08-24 10:25, KO6TZ Bob wrote:
>>>
>>>> Basic concept....
>>>>
>>>> If YOU did not copy the call sign, then YOU did not make the contact !!!
>>>>
>>>> BOB KO6TZ
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>>>> Opinions expressed
>>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>>>> AMSAT-NA.
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>>>> program!
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>>>
>>>
>>> Links:
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>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
> --
> Gus 8P6SM
> The Easternmost Isle
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 12:16:16 -0400
From: Dave Webb KB1PVH <kb1pvh@xxxxx.xxx>
To: AMSAT -BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] SO-50 Yesterday at 1738Z
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Why does everyone need to play satellite QSO police?
Maybe, just maybe they wanted to know the callsign so she could see where
on Earth he was. Ya know, she's 9 years old and she does a better job on
the birds than a few of the self proclaimed satellite ninjas that I hear.
I don't understand why people need to throw in their "If you didn't copy
it, it wasn't a contact" crap. Maybe we should say that listening to your
recording doesn't count because after all, it was the recorder that copied
it not you. If you weren't on the pass and don't have the info that was
asked for maybe you should just not reply.
It's a hobby...lay off.
Dave-KB1PVH
Sent from my Samsung S4
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 10:19:17 -0600
From: "Egon" <ve6egn@xxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "Dave Webb KB1PVH" <kb1pvh@xxxxx.xxx>, "AMSAT -BB"
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] SO-50 Yesterday at 1738Z
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Well said Dave.
Egon VE6EGN/SA3EGN
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Webb KB1PVH
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 10:16 AM
To: AMSAT -BB
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] SO-50 Yesterday at 1738Z
Why does everyone need to play satellite QSO police?
Maybe, just maybe they wanted to know the callsign so she could see where
on Earth he was. Ya know, she's 9 years old and she does a better job on
the birds than a few of the self proclaimed satellite ninjas that I hear.
I don't understand why people need to throw in their "If you didn't copy
it, it wasn't a contact" crap. Maybe we should say that listening to your
recording doesn't count because after all, it was the recorder that copied
it not you. If you weren't on the pass and don't have the info that was
asked for maybe you should just not reply.
It's a hobby...lay off.
Dave-KB1PVH
Sent from my Samsung S4
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 12:39:52 -0400
From: John Brier <johnbrier@xxxxx.xxx>
To: James Lea - WX4TV <james@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] SO-50 Yesterday at 1738Z
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That makes sense. Let her learn and understand through learning, even
failing sometimes.
On Aug 24, 2015 11:47 AM, "James Lea - WX4TV" <james@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> That is in the works, John. I am allowing her to learn and make her own
> decisions about things. Simply giving it all to her upfront doesn?t
> encourage learning. Nor does belittling a little girl, as was done in a
> previous message.
>
> Thanks for the advice.
>
>
> On Aug 24, 2015, at 11:44 AM, John Brier <johnbrier@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> Not saying anyone did anything wrong but if possible it is better to make
> a external speaker out cable to go into an line input in, ideally an audio
> recorder, or less ideally a voice recorder. I just got a Zoom H1 for this
> purpose. You may also need an audio splitter.
>
> John, KG4AKV
> On Aug 24, 2015 11:29 AM, "James Lea - WX4TV" <james@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
>> OK, Bob? I will bite. Hope, who is 9 years old and was standing on the
>> beach, heard his callsign and expected that it was on the recording. I am
>> so sorry that for the sake of AMSAT and Ham Radio in general that a 9 year
>> old wasn?t able to write down the callsign while holding two radios and an
>> antenna. Since she is so inept, perhaps she should quit the hobby
>> altogether. I look forward to meeting you face to face, so you can
>> belittle my daughter to her face.
>>
>> Once Paul confirmed the callsign, we were able to make it out on the
>> recording.
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Aug 24, 2015, at 10:45 AM, skristof@xxxxxxx.xxx wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Whoah! Thank you for the ruling Chief Justice Bob.
>> >
>> > Next time we want to scare kids away from ham radio, we'll be sure to
>> > give you a call.
>> >
>> > Did you read the part that they had the contact, but a spectator covered
>> > the rest of the call sign on the recording by asking a question?
>> >
>> > What should they have done? Tell the spectator to "shut up, I'm doing
>> > ham radio!"? Great PR for the hobby.
>> >
>> > Steve AI9IN
>> >
>> > On 2015-08-24 10:25, KO6TZ Bob wrote:
>> >
>> >> Basic concept....
>> >>
>> >> If YOU did not copy the call sign, then YOU did not make the contact
>> !!!
>> >>
>> >> BOB KO6TZ
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> Opinions expressed
>> >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
>> of AMSAT-NA.
>> >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>> program!
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>> [1]
>> >
>> >
>> > Links:
>> > ------
>> > [1] http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>> > _______________________________________________
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>> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 09:26:26 -0700
From: "Jim Walls" <jim@xxxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] SO-50 Yesterday at 1738Z
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Gus said (in part):
> And IIRC, contacts made on SKED don't count either, for contests or
awards.
You have clearly never operated a microwave contest. For all practical
purposes, all contacts are made using a lower frequency co-ordination
frequency or network. When you are operating in a mode where the dishes at
both ends of the path need to be pointed within a half degree of peak, and
are often at best able to get signals that are only a dB or two above ESP
level - and of course you need to be on the same frequency, it would be
almost impossible for two stations to make any contacts with co-ordination
via some means. The contacts are legitmately made on the microwave
frequencies, but getting the dishes pointed is done at lower frequencies.
BTW, I point out that the dishes are often not pointed at each other, but
rather something to bounce off of (such as a mountain, clouds or
airplanes).
Here is the Southwest US, a normally private linked UHF radio system that
covers most of the southwest opens the system for the microwave contest
operators for both weekends of the 10GHz and up contests. It's really
quite amazing to hear what they do, but there is no way they could make the
contacts that they do without co-ordinating them.
Jim - K6CCC
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 12:08:48 -0500
From: John Geiger <af5cc2@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Gus <gus@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] SO-50 Yesterday at 1738Z
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Sked QSOs do count for awards. Done all of the time for EME and meteor
scatter QSOs.
John AF5CC
On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 10:59 AM, Gus <gus@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> Bob is completely correct.
>
> It doesn't matter how old you are, or where you're standing, or what
> equipment you choose to burden your hands with, or who you invite to stand
> next to you, blabbing loudly in your ear. If you didn't copy the callsign
> yourself, then you didn't complete the QSO. No relays or outside
> assistance are allowed. And IIRC, contacts made on SKED don't count
> either, for contests or awards.
>
> I'm sorry if young miss Hope is disappointed. I certainly wouldn't want
> to discourage her and I doubt Bob (or anyone) does either. Nor would I
> want to make any interested spectator feel unwelcome, either. But facts
> are facts.
>
> Ineptitude? Belittling? Really? Let's not go there.
>
> On 08/24/2015 11:29 AM, James Lea - WX4TV wrote:
>
>> OK, Bob? I will bite. Hope, who is 9 years old and was standing on the
>> beach, heard his callsign and expected that it was on the recording. I am
>> so sorry that for the sake of AMSAT and Ham Radio in general that a 9 year
>> old wasn?t able to write down the callsign while holding two radios and an
>> antenna. Since she is so inept, perhaps she should quit the hobby
>> altogether. I look forward to meeting you face to face, so you can
>> belittle my daughter to her face.
>>
>> Once Paul confirmed the callsign, we were able to make it out on the
>> recording.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 24, 2015, at 10:45 AM, skristof@xxxxxxx.xxx wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Whoah! Thank you for the ruling Chief Justice Bob.
>>>
>>> Next time we want to scare kids away from ham radio, we'll be sure to
>>> give you a call.
>>>
>>> Did you read the part that they had the contact, but a spectator covered
>>> the rest of the call sign on the recording by asking a question?
>>>
>>> What should they have done? Tell the spectator to "shut up, I'm doing
>>> ham radio!"? Great PR for the hobby.
>>>
>>> Steve AI9IN
>>>
>>> On 2015-08-24 10:25, KO6TZ Bob wrote:
>>>
>>> Basic concept....
>>>>
>>>> If YOU did not copy the call sign, then YOU did not make the contact !!!
>>>>
>>>> BOB KO6TZ
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>
> --
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 11:27:49 -0600
From: Bill Attwood <whattwood@xxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Portable rotator
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Hi all,
I posted a little too soon about my rotator "blog" on Friday - I've
since cleaned up the post and added some high resolution pics (plus a
short video). If you'd like to take another boo here's the link again:
https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=118737
It would be great to get some comments and thoughts (critical ones
welcome!) in the Pi forum.
73,
Bill VE6WK
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 14:33:33 -0400
From: James Lea - WX4TV <james@xxxxx.xxx>
To: John Geiger <af5cc2@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] SO-50 Yesterday at 1738Z
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We?re talking about a 9 year old girl who worked her tail off to learn the
material and earn her Technician license. She is now studying for her
General and learning Morse Code. She also likes to learn by doing. Hence,
she is making a few mistakes along the way as she operates. But, she
learns. I will leave it to Bob and Angus to figure out what she learned
about adults like them from reading these posts. (Yes, she does read them.)
As her dad, I will call it as I see it. You?re both being bullies to a
little girl who is excited about her new hobby. Way to go. I hope that you
feel superior to her by setting the record straight that this wasn?t a
valid contact.
She doesn?t really care about the grids or the contests or the awards. She
simply likes talking to people on the radio and figuring out where her
signal went. She likes to go to public places to operate because people ask
questions and she gets to tell them how fun Ham Radio is. This time, the
recording got covered up by someone asking a question. She is a little girl
who was excited that she spoke to someone in Mexico via Ham Radio. Bob and
Angus, you have dashed the excitement. Well done.
She bounced back, though? She determined on her own that if she is ever in
a grid that you need, she isn?t going to give it to you. (Grids are so
important, aren?t they?)
Heck, she is speaking about satellite ops at the Dayton Youth Forum next
year. Maybe you might make it into her speech.
> On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:08 PM, John Geiger <af5cc2@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> Sked QSOs do count for awards. Done all of the time for EME and meteor
> scatter QSOs.
>
> John AF5CC
>
> On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 10:59 AM, Gus <gus@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
>> Bob is completely correct.
>>
>> It doesn't matter how old you are, or where you're standing, or what
>> equipment you choose to burden your hands with, or who you invite to stand
>> next to you, blabbing loudly in your ear. If you didn't copy the callsign
>> yourself, then you didn't complete the QSO. No relays or outside
>> assistance are allowed. And IIRC, contacts made on SKED don't count
>> either, for contests or awards.
>>
>> I'm sorry if young miss Hope is disappointed. I certainly wouldn't want
>> to discourage her and I doubt Bob (or anyone) does either. Nor would I
>> want to make any interested spectator feel unwelcome, either. But facts
>> are facts.
>>
>> Ineptitude? Belittling? Really? Let's not go there.
>>
>> On 08/24/2015 11:29 AM, James Lea - WX4TV wrote:
>>
>>> OK, Bob? I will bite. Hope, who is 9 years old and was standing on the
>>> beach, heard his callsign and expected that it was on the recording. I am
>>> so sorry that for the sake of AMSAT and Ham Radio in general that a 9 year
>>> old wasn?t able to write down the callsign while holding two radios and an
>>> antenna. Since she is so inept, perhaps she should quit the hobby
>>> altogether. I look forward to meeting you face to face, so you can
>>> belittle my daughter to her face.
>>>
>>> Once Paul confirmed the callsign, we were able to make it out on the
>>> recording.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 24, 2015, at 10:45 AM, skristof@xxxxxxx.xxx wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Whoah! Thank you for the ruling Chief Justice Bob.
>>>>
>>>> Next time we want to scare kids away from ham radio, we'll be sure to
>>>> give you a call.
>>>>
>>>> Did you read the part that they had the contact, but a spectator covered
>>>> the rest of the call sign on the recording by asking a question?
>>>>
>>>> What should they have done? Tell the spectator to "shut up, I'm doing
>>>> ham radio!"? Great PR for the hobby.
>>>>
>>>> Steve AI9IN
>>>>
>>>> On 2015-08-24 10:25, KO6TZ Bob wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Basic concept....
>>>>>
>>>>> If YOU did not copy the call sign, then YOU did not make the contact !!!
>>>>>
>>>>> BOB KO6TZ
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>>>>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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>>>>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
>>>>> of AMSAT-NA.
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>>>>>
>>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Gus 8P6SM
>> The Easternmost Isle
>>
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