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Today's Topics:
1. Re: N8HM Field Day Report - 1B MDC (Paul Stoetzer)
2. AMSAT Field Day Submissions (Bruce)
3. FV80DX from FJ92PV in AO7 (Juan Antonio)
4. LOTW nick of UKUBE-1? (Juan Antonio)
5. Topic Change -- Now FM Rule -- was -- RE: N8HM Field Day
Report - 1B MDC -- Topic Change FM Rule (Gary "Joe" Mayfield)
6. Re: LOTW nick of UKUBE-1? (Paul Stoetzer)
7. Re: Topic Change -- Now FM Rule -- was -- RE: N8HM Field Day
Report - 1B MDC -- Topic Change FM Rule (Paul Stoetzer)
8. Re: Topic Change -- Now FM Rule -- was -- RE: N8HM Field Day
Report - 1B MDC -- Topic Change FM Rule
(Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
9. Re: Southern CA Satellite Presentations (Michael)
10. Re: Southern CA Satellite Presentations (Arthur Feller)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 16:10:44 -0400
From: Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@xxxx.xxx>
To: Peter Laws <plaws0@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] N8HM Field Day Report - 1B MDC
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That's a great idea! A pre-Field Day event in April or May is
something that would certainly be doable.
Ultimately, poor operating during Field Day is pervasive. It's not
just unique to satellites. There are lots of hams that are rarely
active, but get set up for their club's Field Day.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 3:57 PM, Peter Laws <plaws0@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 2:12 PM, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
>> Operating satellites isn't difficult, but it does take some
>> practice and experience to understand the characteristics of each
>> satellite. Trying to figure it out at 1800Z on Field Day Saturday is
>> not the recipe for success.
>
> Not counting obsolete SAREX/MIR/AO-13 experience, I managed to make a
> few QSOs before I got the idea to try to get the bonus for the FD
> group I was with (W5YM, my alma mater, celebrating their centennial).
> Even though I stuck to FM 'phone and mostly SO-50 at that, it was
> still enough of a zoo (for the reasons you mentioned) to keep me from
> snagging the bonus.
>
> Next summer, I think it would behoove AMSAT to try to get the word
> out, probably via an ARRL bulletin, for folks NOT to try to figure it
> out at 1800Z on Field Day Saturday! Word it nicely, of course, "hey,
> try the easy sats this weekend". Heck, you could even bill it as a
> pre-FD tune-up exercise ...
>
> *Might* lessen the chaos on FD itself. *Might*. Certainly a low-cost
> effort with a good potential payoff ...
>
> In my case, I think enough folks were impressed just at how loud the
> signals are that we may see some new stations show up on the sats.
>
>
>
> --
> Peter Laws | N5UWY | plaws plaws net | Travel by Train!
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 15:40:02 -0500
From: Bruce <kk5do@xxxx.xxx>
To: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Field Day Submissions
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Now that Field Day is only a blur, it is time to prepare your score and
submit it for the AMSAT Field Day results. All submissions are due by
11:59PM Central Time on Monday, July 11, 2016. I will then prepare the
story and send it off to the editor of the AMSAT Journal who will have
it in the upcoming issue that goes to press shortly thereafter.
Please send your score sheet and photos to me
kk5do@xxxx.xxx or kk5do@xxxxx.xxx
You will receive an email back that day or the next day when I have
received your submission. If you do not receive the email from me, I did
not get it. Don't assume that because you sent it that I have received
it. Make sure you get the confirmation email.
73...bruce
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 23:33:21 +0200
From: "Juan Antonio" <ea4cyq@xxxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] FV80DX from FJ92PV in AO7
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Hello,
I worked FV80DX from FJ92PV through AO7 at 18.00z last Saturday 160625.
I have not seen any comment about this station in amsat-bb and I can not
find any info in the NET.
Signal was clear and I could copy clearly its callsign and locator.
Anybody knows about this station?
Juan Antonio
EA4CYQ
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 23:36:17 +0200
From: "Juan Antonio" <ea4cyq@xxxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] LOTW nick of UKUBE-1?
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Hello,
I made my first QSO with this new bird, What nick should I use to load it in
LOTW?
Juan Antonio
EA4CYQ
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 16:06:48 -0500
From: "Gary \"Joe\" Mayfield" <kk0sd1@xxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Topic Change -- Now FM Rule -- was -- RE: N8HM
Field Day Report - 1B MDC -- Topic Change FM Rule
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Awesome Field Day report Paul! Good Job!
Now the week after Field Day is the time for RATIONAL discussion of the
single contact FM satellite rule:
Does anyone think it works? Does anyone think it is better than the past?
I will once again trot out my idea for the slings and arrows of others. + I
would love to hear your ideas.
Here is my idea:
We call on our membership to establish two well equipped stations for the FM
satellites on Field Day. A possibility would be a station using the call
W1AW in the east and another using K6KPH in the west. The only FM satellite
contacts that would 'count' would be those working W1AW or K6KPH. These
commanding stations would be able to hand out contacts quickly and many more
folks would be able to get a satellite contact in the log. As it is now the
best station to call is one that just completed a contact (because you heard
their exchange information) - but that station is prevented by the rules
from returning the call without going over their limit.
Think of it as two stations running and everyone else searching and
pouncing. It has got be better than what we have now.
My Opinion, 73,
Joe, kk0sd
-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On Behalf Of Paul
Stoetzer
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 2:12 PM
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] N8HM Field Day Report - 1B MDC
I only worked satellites during Field Day and I ended up making 97 QSOs on
24 passes of all active 10 voice satellites during the 24 hour period. My
score for AMSAT Field Day was 83 points.
The breakdown by satellite is below:
AO-7B - 2 QSOs
AO-73 - 10 QSOs, 1 dupe
AO-85 - 1 QSO, 5 excess FM QSOs
FO-29 - 37 QSOs, 4 dupes
LilacSat-2 - 1 QSO, 1 excess FM QSO
SO-50 - 1 QSO
Ukube-1 - 6 QSOs
XW-2A - 11 QSOs
XW-2C - 6 QSOs, 2 dupes
XW-2F - 8 QSOs, 1 dupe
Total - 83 valid phone QSOs, 8 dupes, 6 excess FM QSOs = 83 points
The major difference between AMSAT and ARRL Field Day rules for satellite is
that "satellite" is considered a single band while for AMSAT Field Day, each
satellite transponder is considered a separate band. For example, if I
worked WD9EWK in SSB on FO-29 and then in SSB on XW-2A, that would be worth
two points under AMSAT rules, but only one point under ARRL rules. VE3YRA
was my most worked station this year - I worked them on six different
satellites.
I was operating 1B from the parking lot/courtyard of my apartment building
in southwest Washington, DC.
The equipment I used was as follows:
2 x Yaesu FT-817 (with 3000 mAh internal LiPo batteries) Microset VUR-30
dual band amplifier
5100 mAh LiPo battery for the amplifier
High Sierra Microwave LNAA432 preamplifier High Sierra Microwave LNAA146FIL
filtered 2m preamp Arrow II 146/437-10BP Dual Band Handheld Yagi
All of this was carried in a camera bag and held by shoulder straps while I
held the Arrow in my hand.
It was lots of fun, though tiring to head downstairs and outside for
24 different passes. I only slept for about 2.5 hours between 3:30am and
6:00am (and skipped a pair of AO-7 passes as a result).
One big issue I notice during Field Day is the use of excess power on the
transponders and the inexperience and/or inadequate stations used by many of
the satellite operators. Many times I would call a station and not receive a
reply or someone would start CQing or tuning up on top of me. This was
especially noticeable on AO-73 and UKube-1 as the frequencies for the uplink
are somewhat different than published. It sounded like many were trying to
use their computers to correct for Doppler and did not have the experience
necessary to set the uplink offset. I heard several "ditters" trying to find
themselves for entire passes. Operating satellites isn't difficult, but it
does take some practice and experience to understand the characteristics of
each satellite. Trying to figure it out at 1800Z on Field Day Saturday is
not the recipe for success.
I would note that my excess FM QSOs (both ARRL and AMSAT rules allow only
one QSO per FM satellite, AMSAT rules further limit APRS digipeater QSOs to
one per satellite as well) were made because stations were calling and
attempting to make a contact with no one else replying and I wanted to make
sure they got their QSO.
It's fun doing Field Day from home, but next year I think I would like to
head to a Field Day site and help with satellite operations for a club (and
maybe fill in elsewhere between passes).
73,
Paul, N8HM
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 17:51:29 -0400
From: Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@xxxx.xxx>
To: Juan Antonio <ea4cyq@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] LOTW nick of UKUBE-1?
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Juan,
The satellite is not in LoTW yet. I've sent an email to the FUNcube
team to ask if they want it in LoTW as UKube-1 or if they want to wait
for a potential future OSCAR designation.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 5:36 PM, Juan Antonio <ea4cyq@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I made my first QSO with this new bird, What nick should I use to load it in
> LOTW?
>
> Juan Antonio
> EA4CYQ
>
>
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 17:58:40 -0400
From: Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@xxxx.xxx>
To: Gary Joe Mayfield <kk0sd1@xxx.xxx>
Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Topic Change -- Now FM Rule -- was -- RE: N8HM
Field Day Report - 1B MDC -- Topic Change FM Rule
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Gary,
That has been suggested in the past, but I'm not sure it would work. I
heard several stations ignoring the one QSO rule on the one pass of
SO-50 that I listened to. That rule is longstanding and well known, so
I don't know how you'd actually implement some sort of net control
system.
The best solution is having many options available to try. Hopefully
next year will be better with the addition of Fox-1Cliff, Fox-1D, and
RadFxSat / Fox-1B to the FM satellite fleet.
By the way, LilacSat-2 passes during Field Day were quite
underutilized. I called for several minutes on the first East Coast
pass before working one station. I then heard another station call
with no reply, so I worked them as well. Many more stations could have
gotten the satellite bonus by checking the AMSAT status page and
seeing that it was on. This brings me back to my original point, if
people can't be bothered to check which satellites are active, how are
you going to coordinate a net control system as suggested? A couple of
us were joking that people were probably still trying to work AO-27
and AO-51 during Field Day.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 5:06 PM, Gary "Joe" Mayfield <kk0sd1@xxx.xxx> wrote:
> Awesome Field Day report Paul! Good Job!
>
> Now the week after Field Day is the time for RATIONAL discussion of the
> single contact FM satellite rule:
>
> Does anyone think it works? Does anyone think it is better than the past?
>
> I will once again trot out my idea for the slings and arrows of others. + I
> would love to hear your ideas.
>
> Here is my idea:
>
> We call on our membership to establish two well equipped stations for the FM
> satellites on Field Day. A possibility would be a station using the call
> W1AW in the east and another using K6KPH in the west. The only FM satellite
> contacts that would 'count' would be those working W1AW or K6KPH. These
> commanding stations would be able to hand out contacts quickly and many more
> folks would be able to get a satellite contact in the log. As it is now the
> best station to call is one that just completed a contact (because you heard
> their exchange information) - but that station is prevented by the rules
> from returning the call without going over their limit.
>
> Think of it as two stations running and everyone else searching and
> pouncing. It has got be better than what we have now.
>
> My Opinion, 73,
> Joe, kk0sd
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On Behalf Of Paul
> Stoetzer
> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 2:12 PM
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: [amsat-bb] N8HM Field Day Report - 1B MDC
>
> I only worked satellites during Field Day and I ended up making 97 QSOs on
> 24 passes of all active 10 voice satellites during the 24 hour period. My
> score for AMSAT Field Day was 83 points.
>
> The breakdown by satellite is below:
>
> AO-7B - 2 QSOs
> AO-73 - 10 QSOs, 1 dupe
> AO-85 - 1 QSO, 5 excess FM QSOs
> FO-29 - 37 QSOs, 4 dupes
> LilacSat-2 - 1 QSO, 1 excess FM QSO
> SO-50 - 1 QSO
> Ukube-1 - 6 QSOs
> XW-2A - 11 QSOs
> XW-2C - 6 QSOs, 2 dupes
> XW-2F - 8 QSOs, 1 dupe
>
> Total - 83 valid phone QSOs, 8 dupes, 6 excess FM QSOs = 83 points
>
> The major difference between AMSAT and ARRL Field Day rules for satellite is
> that "satellite" is considered a single band while for AMSAT Field Day, each
> satellite transponder is considered a separate band. For example, if I
> worked WD9EWK in SSB on FO-29 and then in SSB on XW-2A, that would be worth
> two points under AMSAT rules, but only one point under ARRL rules. VE3YRA
> was my most worked station this year - I worked them on six different
> satellites.
>
> I was operating 1B from the parking lot/courtyard of my apartment building
> in southwest Washington, DC.
>
> The equipment I used was as follows:
>
> 2 x Yaesu FT-817 (with 3000 mAh internal LiPo batteries) Microset VUR-30
> dual band amplifier
> 5100 mAh LiPo battery for the amplifier
> High Sierra Microwave LNAA432 preamplifier High Sierra Microwave LNAA146FIL
> filtered 2m preamp Arrow II 146/437-10BP Dual Band Handheld Yagi
>
> All of this was carried in a camera bag and held by shoulder straps while I
> held the Arrow in my hand.
>
> It was lots of fun, though tiring to head downstairs and outside for
> 24 different passes. I only slept for about 2.5 hours between 3:30am and
> 6:00am (and skipped a pair of AO-7 passes as a result).
>
> One big issue I notice during Field Day is the use of excess power on the
> transponders and the inexperience and/or inadequate stations used by many of
> the satellite operators. Many times I would call a station and not receive a
> reply or someone would start CQing or tuning up on top of me. This was
> especially noticeable on AO-73 and UKube-1 as the frequencies for the uplink
> are somewhat different than published. It sounded like many were trying to
> use their computers to correct for Doppler and did not have the experience
> necessary to set the uplink offset. I heard several "ditters" trying to find
> themselves for entire passes. Operating satellites isn't difficult, but it
> does take some practice and experience to understand the characteristics of
> each satellite. Trying to figure it out at 1800Z on Field Day Saturday is
> not the recipe for success.
>
> I would note that my excess FM QSOs (both ARRL and AMSAT rules allow only
> one QSO per FM satellite, AMSAT rules further limit APRS digipeater QSOs to
> one per satellite as well) were made because stations were calling and
> attempting to make a contact with no one else replying and I wanted to make
> sure they got their QSO.
>
> It's fun doing Field Day from home, but next year I think I would like to
> head to a Field Day site and help with satellite operations for a club (and
> maybe fill in elsewhere between passes).
>
> 73,
>
> Paul, N8HM
> _______________________________________________
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> interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 22:32:50 +0000
From: "Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)" <amsat-bb@xxxxxx.xxx>
To: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Topic Change -- Now FM Rule -- was -- RE: N8HM
Field Day Report - 1B MDC -- Topic Change FM Rule
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Paul,
You are right about the "net control" approach that has been
proposed in the past for Field Day FM satellite passes. Even if
you have Field Day stations complying with a rule change that
mandates contacts only with the "net control" station(s), there
are many times where other stations are on just trying to work
stations for the grids or simply to make contacts. I heard that
on a LilacSat-2 pass Saturday evening. Not a problem for me; I
gave the Field Day exchange and grid to anyone I heard on there,
covering my bases. :-)
Speaking of LilacSat-2... the pass I worked Saturday evening
around 0112 UTC (6.12pm PDT) was surprisingly easy. In all of the
Field Days I have worked via satellite since 2006, I have never
seen an easier FM satellite pass than that one. Maybe the thought
that LilacSat-2 wouldn't be on for the weekend kept many away, but
it did allow me an easy FM satellite demonstration for a ham who
was very interested in satellite operation. Using only a Wouxun
KG-UV9D and my Elk log periodic, I made 6 QSOs on that pass. One
of the 6 will go toward my Field Day score, another one was with
a station not participating in Field Day (he gladly took my grid,
DM45), and the other 4 will go in the log and be listed on my Field
Day submission as non-scoring - something I have done with the extra
FM satellite QSOs on my submissions for past Field Days.
As I mentioned in the e-mail I posted in that other thread last
night, I worked LilacSat-2 half-duplex. The KG-UV9D, like many
dual-band HTs advertised as capable of cross-band full-duplex
operation, doesn't work full-duplex with V/U FM satellites like
LilacSat-2 or SO-50. The half-duplex demonstration was one of several
satellite demonstrations I did at my Field Day site. I also worked
two SO-50 passes using an Icom IC-2730A 2m/70cm FM mobile, which is
capable of cross-band full-duplex operation for V/U and U/V FM
satellites, along with full-duplex operation on XW-2F using an
FT-817ND as the transmitter and an SDRplay SDR receiver with an
8-inch Windows 10 tablet running HDSDR as my receiver. I was able
to show the differences between half-duplex and full-duplex
satellite operation, and explain the clear advantages of full-duplex
satellite operation. I will post more about my Field Day operating
in a separate e-mail, hopefully later this evening, including
my successes with digital QSOs via NO-84 and the ISS.
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
Twitter: @xxxxxx
On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 9:58 PM, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
> Gary,
>
> That has been suggested in the past, but I'm not sure it would work. I
> heard several stations ignoring the one QSO rule on the one pass of
> SO-50 that I listened to. That rule is longstanding and well known, so
> I don't know how you'd actually implement some sort of net control
> system.
>
> The best solution is having many options available to try. Hopefully
> next year will be better with the addition of Fox-1Cliff, Fox-1D, and
> RadFxSat / Fox-1B to the FM satellite fleet.
>
> By the way, LilacSat-2 passes during Field Day were quite
> underutilized. I called for several minutes on the first East Coast
> pass before working one station. I then heard another station call
> with no reply, so I worked them as well. Many more stations could have
> gotten the satellite bonus by checking the AMSAT status page and
> seeing that it was on. This brings me back to my original point, if
> people can't be bothered to check which satellites are active, how are
> you going to coordinate a net control system as suggested? A couple of
> us were joking that people were probably still trying to work AO-27
> and AO-51 during Field Day.
>
> 73,
>
> Paul, N8HM
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 21:04:54 -0400
From: Michael <Mat_62@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Southern CA Satellite Presentations
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I could care less whether you have ever uttered it or not in one of your
live presentations. It is printed in black and white in your handout.
You just quoted it yourself. The minute you typed that phrase and began
giving out handouts or telling people to print it out you became guilty
of spreading ignorance as far as satellite operation is concerned. You
are leading newbie sat operators down a path they should not be on. If
one does not have the means to hear their own signal coming back from
the bird so as to insure they are "making it there" then they should not
be on the satellites. End of story.
Michael, W4HIJ
On 6/26/2016 11:37 PM, Clint Bradford wrote:
>>> ... you would quit telling people that full duplex is "not mandatory"
for working sats.
> You've never attended one of my sat sessions. I have never uttered the
sentence to groups,
> "It is not mandatory to work full-duplex. - PERIOD." My standard mantra
for the easy FM birds
> is all over the place:
>
> "Ideally, we should be working the satellites in full duplex mode, where
we can
> simultaneously listen to the downlink as we are transmitting. Although this
> method is preferred, it is not mandatory: Carefully monitor the downlink,
and
> wait for a break in the conversations to announce yourself."
>
> People you might be hearing stepping on others are not following those
instructions.
>
> And all my audiences are very graphically shown and told the reasons why
working full-
> duplex is preferable.
>
> I didn't work full-duplex when speaking with Commander Wiseman - who was
aboard
> the ISS at the time during Field Day 2014.
>
> If you haven't already given a presentation to your club on working the
easy birds,
> I am available. Just send me an email message.
>
> Clint Bradford K6LCS
> (909) 999-SATS
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 21:13:40 -0400
From: Arthur Feller <afeller@xxxx.xxx>
To: Michael <Mat_62@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Southern CA Satellite Presentations
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Can we make a modest effort at comity? Be nice, folks.
> On 27-Jun-2016, at 09:04 PM, Michael <Mat_62@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> I could care less whether you have ever uttered it or not in one of your
live presentations. It is printed in black and white in your handout. You
just quoted it yourself. The minute you typed that phrase and began giving
out handouts or telling people to print it out you became guilty of
spreading ignorance as far as satellite operation is concerned. You are
leading newbie sat operators down a path they should not be on. If one does
not have the means to hear their own signal coming back from the bird so as
to insure they are "making it there" then they should not be on the
satellites. End of story.
> Michael, W4HIJ
> On 6/26/2016 11:37 PM, Clint Bradford wrote:
>>>> ... you would quit telling people that full duplex is "not mandatory"
for working sats.
>> You've never attended one of my sat sessions. I have never uttered the
sentence to groups,
>> "It is not mandatory to work full-duplex. - PERIOD." My standard mantra
for the easy FM birds
>> is all over the place:
>>
>> "Ideally, we should be working the satellites in full duplex mode, where
we can
>> simultaneously listen to the downlink as we are transmitting. Although this
>> method is preferred, it is not mandatory: Carefully monitor the downlink,
and
>> wait for a break in the conversations to announce yourself."
>>
>> People you might be hearing stepping on others are not following those
instructions.
>>
>> And all my audiences are very graphically shown and told the reasons why
working full-
>> duplex is preferable.
>>
>> I didn't work full-duplex when speaking with Commander Wiseman - who was
aboard
>> the ISS at the time during Field Day 2014.
>>
>> If you haven't already given a presentation to your club on working the
easy birds,
>> I am available. Just send me an email message.
>>
>> Clint Bradford K6LCS
>> (909) 999-SATS
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
Opinions expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Everyone, in some small sacred sanctuary of the self, is nuts.
-Leo Rosten, author (1908-1997)
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