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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Southern CA Satellite Presentations (Clayton Coleman)
2. Re: Financial arguments about full duplex (mvivona@xxxxx.xxxx
3. NPOTA HP44 Thomas Edison NHP SO-50 (Chris Del Plato KQ2RP)
4. Re: NPOTA HP44 Thomas Edison NHP SO-50 (Paul Stoetzer)
5. Amateur communication satellites (rsoifer1@xxx.xxxx
6. Re: Amateur communication satellites (Paul Stoetzer)
7. Amateur communication satellites (Kevin M)
8. Re: Topic Change -- Now FM Rule -- was -- RE: N8HM Field Day
Report - 1B MDC -- Topic Change FM Rule (Peter Laws)
9. Re: Topic Change -- Now FM Rule -- was -- RE: N8HM Field Day
Report - 1B MDC -- Topic Change FM Rule (Paul Stoetzer)
10. Re: Topic Change -- Now FM Rule -- was -- RE: N8HM Field Day
Report - 1B MDC -- Topic Change FM Rule (Peter Laws)
11. Re: Amateur communication satellites (Wouter Weggelaar)
12. Re: Topic Change -- Now FM Rule -- was -- RE: N8HM Field Day
Report - 1B MDC -- Topic Change FM Rule (Dave Mann)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 12:52:23 -0500
From: Clayton Coleman <kayakfishtx@xxxxx.xxx>
To: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Southern CA Satellite Presentations
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The Yaesu FT-60R is often promoted as a good choice for beginners. This
promotion can be misleading to many who buy this radio believing it has
some magical ability to perform any better than any other dualband HT
programmed for "split" (semi-duplex.)
The radio itself is not the problem. It's the misperception that buying
this HT will equate to success that leaves many frustrated.
Let's set realistic expectations. Semi-duplex does work but it's not
ideal. Promoting simple equipment is great but needs to be matched with
the right fundamental skills.
73
Clayton
W5PFG
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 18:43:55 +0000 (UTC)
From: "mvivona@xxxxx.xxxx <mvivona@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>, Jerry Conner
<jerryconn@xxx.xxx>, "AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxxx <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Financial arguments about full duplex
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Nicely put Drew.
I also get a chuckle when I hear the "I only have one radio".?? When I go to
any hams house and stumble into his shack there are always so many radios,
antennas, switches, coax bundles, etc. The word Ham means a collector or
hoarder of electrical stuff. I mean that in a good sense as I am one also, ha.
I never want to exclude anyone and actually love enticing new hams into
working the birds. I can definitely feel for those that try to work SO-50
and all they hear is sqqqaakkkk squeeeek buzzzz.
Tell you what. If there is any ham out there that really can't afford
another antenna, then I would be more than happy to help them out. I have a
brand new Elk antenna with the velcro bag. Never used! If it will help I
will send it to you for free. I never want to discourage anyone. I look at
it as guidance to new hams to help them be proficient operators. Working
full duplex is a blast. ?
?Michael
From: Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: Jerry Conner <jerryconn@xxx.xxx>; AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Financial arguments about full duplex
>That is what I have done, built a cheap antenna.? I have a Chinese radio
and I have made contacts on SO-50, half duplex.? I DO NOT get on the linear
birds because >primary I do not have the means to run 2M/70CM SSB. I can
also understand that it would near impossible to effectively make a contact
But newbies can/should be >given guidance in the form of Elmers. Not being
told they are not welcome if they don't have the equipment others have.
The discussion centers on the importance of best practices being taught and
demonstrated by those elmers you mention. Elmers walk with you, guiding,
correcting, encouraging along the way. The need to have practical knowledge,
and all too often we see people who don't operate, or just started
themselves, passing out poor or erroneous information. If the shields can be
dropped for long enough, there are lots of elmers right here on this list to
help the newbies out. Elmers should continue to learn as well.
> By the way check the prices an arrow >antenna that will give someone the
best chance to get into AO-85 with a Cheap Chinese radio is about $150.00.
Elmer moment right here: The arrow without the diplexer is $60 cheaper than
the one with the diplexer
(http://store.amsat.org/catalog/index.php?cPath=1). Use that $60 for a 2nd
receiver and now you can hear if you are getting into AO-85 or SO-50, adjust
for Doppler on AO-85, and make more contacts, and cause less QRM. You'll
need a set of headphones as well, about $5 at Big Lots or Walmart. Better
experience for you, better for everyone else, less money.
Or, build the functionally same antenna for $10 and a few hours time, and
save some more bucks. I love my Arrow(s), but a WA5VJB or IOio antenna works
just as well. Links to plans can be found here:
http://www.amsat.org/?page_id=2144
73, Drew KO4MA
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 15:26:03 -0400
From: Chris Del Plato KQ2RP <kq2rp.cw@xxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] NPOTA HP44 Thomas Edison NHP SO-50
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Hello all,
If all goes according to plan, I will cap off my NPOTA activation operation
from Thomas Edison's Lab on SO-50. Activation is posted on the NPOTA page.
Activation from that site will take place this Friday, July 1st. I will be
on the HF bands from around 1630z until the SO-50 pass which will begin for
me in FN20 at approximately 1929z. I will be operating handheld (as I
always do) with my homebrew dual yagi & diplexer and VX-5R.
Not sure if it's appropriate for me to ask for others to 'clear the way',
but I would hope to get in as many NPOTA chasers as possible. If things get
hot & heavy (expected) I will likely skip giving my grid and only announce
it once or twice and focus on giving just the HP44 designator (as required
by NPOTA rules).
Hope to hear many of you!
73,
Chris KQ2RP
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 15:31:55 -0400
From: Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@xxxx.xxx>
To: Chris Del Plato KQ2RP <kq2rp.cw@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] NPOTA HP44 Thomas Edison NHP SO-50
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Chris,
I will be listening for you! It's certainly appropriate for you to
skip the grid on a busy pass and just give the park designator,
especially since it's not a rare grid. Hopefully no one will actually
think you are maritime mobile halfway between Greenland and Iceland ;)
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Chris Del Plato KQ2RP
<kq2rp.cw@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> If all goes according to plan, I will cap off my NPOTA activation operation
> from Thomas Edison's Lab on SO-50. Activation is posted on the NPOTA page.
>
> Activation from that site will take place this Friday, July 1st. I will be
> on the HF bands from around 1630z until the SO-50 pass which will begin for
> me in FN20 at approximately 1929z. I will be operating handheld (as I
> always do) with my homebrew dual yagi & diplexer and VX-5R.
>
> Not sure if it's appropriate for me to ask for others to 'clear the way',
> but I would hope to get in as many NPOTA chasers as possible. If things get
> hot & heavy (expected) I will likely skip giving my grid and only announce
> it once or twice and focus on giving just the HP44 designator (as required
> by NPOTA rules).
>
> Hope to hear many of you!
>
> 73,
> Chris KQ2RP
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 16:28:36 -0400
From: rsoifer1@xxx.xxx
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Amateur communication satellites
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This past weekend, I made three ARRL/AMSAT Field Day QSOs via FO-29 (JAS-2).
Nothing noteworthy about that, except that FO-29 will be 20 years old on
August 17th. We're very fortunate that its linear transponder still works.
The CW beacon and digital transponders are no longer functioning.
Two more of the satellites carrying the bulk of amateur satellite
communication are well beyond their design lifetimes. SO-50, our main FM
transponder satellite, will be 14 years old in December. Then, of course,
there is AO-7, whose linear transponders miraculously are still functioning
some of the time. In November it will be 42 years young.
Educational and research satellites are well and good, but amateur satellite
communication is still overly dependent on aging space hardware. To those
who are building new amateur communication transponders, especially linear
transponders in the UHF and VHF bands, best wishes for success. I wish
there were more of you. Maybe there will be.
73 Ray W2RS
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 16:40:17 -0400
From: Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@xxxx.xxx>
To: rsoifer1@xxx.xxx
Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Amateur communication satellites
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Ray,
The CW beacon on FO-29 does still function. We are definitely
fortunate that FO-29 still works and works very well. It is clearly
the most popular linear transponder satellite due to it's wide
passband and high orbit.
I would note that we are not starved for linear transponders. There
are 7 in orbit and active and 4 in orbit awaiting activation plus at
least one more scheduled for launch this year (Nayif-1). As far as FM
satellites, there are three in orbit with two of those available 24/7
and a third with an errattic schedule. However, between now and
January, three more FM satellites are scheduled to launch (Fox-1Cliff,
Fox-1D, and RadFxSat/Fox-1B).
The issue, of course, is the orbits of these satellite don't approach
the 1460km apogee or 1330km apogee of FO-29. We can blame debris
mitigation rules for that! Hopefully we will find a way to get some
higher orbiting satellites up in the future (including GEO/HEO).
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 4:28 PM, rsoifer1--- via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
>
> This past weekend, I made three ARRL/AMSAT Field Day QSOs via FO-29
(JAS-2). Nothing noteworthy about that, except that FO-29 will be 20 years
old on August 17th. We're very fortunate that its linear transponder still
works. The CW beacon and digital transponders are no longer functioning.
>
> Two more of the satellites carrying the bulk of amateur satellite
communication are well beyond their design lifetimes. SO-50, our main FM
transponder satellite, will be 14 years old in December. Then, of course,
there is AO-7, whose linear transponders miraculously are still functioning
some of the time. In November it will be 42 years young.
>
> Educational and research satellites are well and good, but amateur
satellite communication is still overly dependent on aging space hardware.
To those who are building new amateur communication transponders, especially
linear transponders in the UHF and VHF bands, best wishes for success. I
wish there were more of you. Maybe there will be.
>
> 73 Ray W2RS
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 20:46:03 +0000 (UTC)
From: Kevin M <n4ufo@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Amateur communication satellites
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You and I go all the way back to RS-12/13, Ray. (AC5DK back then). The
problem is not people to build the satellites or the desire to build them...
it's the launch opportunities. Educational & research birds have them at
free or reasonable costs... private birds for hobby use do not. There are
many that feel as you do, but don't understand the 'why'. Just thought it
deserved being stated.
ANSAT-NA is still fighting the good fight, but most don't understand that
the fight has changed over the years. It's not WHAT to put in orbit, it's IF
we can find a way.
73, Kevin N4UFO
This past weekend, I made three ARRL/AMSAT Field Day QSOs via FO-29 (JAS-2).
Nothing noteworthy about that, except that FO-29 will be 20 years old on
August 17th. We're very fortunate that its linear transponder still works.
The CW beacon and digital transponders are no longer functioning.
Two more of the satellites carrying the bulk of amateur satellite
communication are well beyond their design lifetimes. SO-50, our main FM
transponder satellite, will be 14 years old in December. Then, of course,
there is AO-7, whose linear transponders miraculously are still functioning
some of the time. In November it will be 42 years young.
Educational and research satellites are well and good, but amateur satellite
communication is still overly dependent on aging space hardware. To those
who are building new amateur communication transponders, especially linear
transponders in the UHF and VHF bands, best wishes for success. I wish
there were more of you. Maybe there will be.
73 Ray W2RS
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 16:02:39 -0500
From: Peter Laws <plaws0@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Topic Change -- Now FM Rule -- was -- RE: N8HM
Field Day Report - 1B MDC -- Topic Change FM Rule
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On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
> . This brings me back to my original point, if
> people can't be bothered to check which satellites are active,
Google "amsat mode a". First hit here (YMMV!) is "Amateur Satellite
FAQ - Amsat" at http://www.amsat.org/amsat/intro/sats_faq.html
It's a document that describes all the great stuff you can work, like
MIR and OSCAR-21 and AO-13. Go ahead and get a copy from the Clear
Skies BBS - the number is listed! That FAQ is old enough to legally
consume alcohol in all 50 states, BTW, having turned 21 at the end of
last year.
That's hardly the only instance of obsolete info on the AMSAT website.
When I google "what ham satellites are working?" the first AMSAT hit I
get is "Working your first Amateur Satellite!" by VK3JED
(http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/information/faqs/langdon.php). I'm
sure it was quite accurate when it was written, which was apparently
around the time SUNSAT was was launched. That page is now eligible to
hold a driver's license in most states.
So let's not be too hard on random people trying to find information.
And yes, taking a cue from the "Volunteer For AMSAT" page, please sign
me up for "Web site information maintenance".
Peter
--
Peter Laws | N5UWY | plaws plaws net | Travel by Train!
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 17:21:18 -0400
From: Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@xxxx.xxx>
To: Peter Laws <plaws0@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Topic Change -- Now FM Rule -- was -- RE: N8HM
Field Day Report - 1B MDC -- Topic Change FM Rule
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Peter,
The AMSAT web site is kept up to date with current information on a
regular basis, but those old pages do contain important archival
information and it wouldn't be right to just delete it. There is a
massive amount of information useful for those doing historical
research in those files. I have used that document and many others on
numerous occasions.
>From the AMSAT home page, the 'Satellite Info' tab contains links to
plenty of current and accurate information. This page contains all you
need to know: http://www.amsat.org/?page_id=177
We are always looking for people to help with the web site. If you
have some specific suggestions in mind, please email me.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 5:02 PM, Peter Laws <plaws0@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
>> . This brings me back to my original point, if
>> people can't be bothered to check which satellites are active,
>
>
> Google "amsat mode a". First hit here (YMMV!) is "Amateur Satellite
> FAQ - Amsat" at http://www.amsat.org/amsat/intro/sats_faq.html
>
> It's a document that describes all the great stuff you can work, like
> MIR and OSCAR-21 and AO-13. Go ahead and get a copy from the Clear
> Skies BBS - the number is listed! That FAQ is old enough to legally
> consume alcohol in all 50 states, BTW, having turned 21 at the end of
> last year.
>
> That's hardly the only instance of obsolete info on the AMSAT website.
> When I google "what ham satellites are working?" the first AMSAT hit I
> get is "Working your first Amateur Satellite!" by VK3JED
> (http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/information/faqs/langdon.php). I'm
> sure it was quite accurate when it was written, which was apparently
> around the time SUNSAT was was launched. That page is now eligible to
> hold a driver's license in most states.
>
> So let's not be too hard on random people trying to find information.
>
>
> And yes, taking a cue from the "Volunteer For AMSAT" page, please sign
> me up for "Web site information maintenance".
>
> Peter
>
>
> --
> Peter Laws | N5UWY | plaws plaws net | Travel by Train!
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 16:25:08 -0500
From: Peter Laws <plaws0@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@xxxx.xxx>
Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Topic Change -- Now FM Rule -- was -- RE: N8HM
Field Day Report - 1B MDC -- Topic Change FM Rule
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On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
> but those old pages do contain important archival
> information and it wouldn't be right to just delete it.
No one suggested deleting it but it's not even marked as being mostly
obsolete.
Most people "in the know" would see MIR and say "wait - *how* old is
this?" but if you are in your 20s, you may not know that it's mission
ended 15 years ago. But pages like this are not for people who are in
the know. Given how close to the top of the page rank these appear,
it's a problem to have obsolete information readily available.
--
Peter Laws | N5UWY | plaws plaws net | Travel by Train!
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 23:57:25 +0200
From: Wouter Weggelaar <wouterweg@xxxxx.xxx>
To: rsoifer1@xxx.xxx
Cc: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Amateur communication satellites
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> To those who are building new amateur communication transponders,
especially linear transponders in the UHF and VHF bands, best wishes for
success. I wish there were more of you. Maybe there will be.
I will build more, and if you ask me we will have plenty of
transponders to operate.
I am extremely proud to be able to say that I am part of the Delfi-C3,
AMSAT-UK and AMSAT-NL teams that have built five transponders that are
in orbit. Not all of them are functional anymore. Nayif-1 will carry
the new and enhanced design that should prove to be more frequency
stable.
I've got some other opportunities lined up as well, so expect more. We
are thinking about other payloads as well, but I'll keep dotting the
sky until there is no more excuse not to work satellites ;)
In all seriousness though, we are thinking about different
applications as well, because we can't put up linear transponders
forever.
73
Wouter PA3WEG
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 16:57:29 -0500
From: Dave Mann <cwo4mann@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@xxxx.xxx>
Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Topic Change -- Now FM Rule -- was -- RE: N8HM
Field Day Report - 1B MDC -- Topic Change FM Rule
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
I agree with Paul, I would add the adage to RTFM. I don't intend to insult
or demean anyone, but before we transmit we should be very familiar with our
assets. In my case, I have printed out loads of FAQs and relevant pages on
each of the birds. I have them in a ring binder with separators, protected
by plastic page protectors. If I want to know about AO-7, I just open to
that section (now with some 50+ pages), for example.
73
Dave N4CVX
Sent from my iPad
> On Jun 28, 2016, at 16:21, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> Peter,
>
> The AMSAT web site is kept up to date with current information on a
> regular basis, but those old pages do contain important archival
> information and it wouldn't be right to just delete it. There is a
> massive amount of information useful for those doing historical
> research in those files. I have used that document and many others on
> numerous occasions.
>
> From the AMSAT home page, the 'Satellite Info' tab contains links to
> plenty of current and accurate information. This page contains all you
> need to know: http://www.amsat.org/?page_id=177
>
> We are always looking for people to help with the web site. If you
> have some specific suggestions in mind, please email me.
>
> 73,
>
> Paul, N8HM
>
>
>
>> On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 5:02 PM, Peter Laws <plaws0@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
>>> . This brings me back to my original point, if
>>> people can't be bothered to check which satellites are active,
>>
>>
>> Google "amsat mode a". First hit here (YMMV!) is "Amateur Satellite
>> FAQ - Amsat" at http://www.amsat.org/amsat/intro/sats_faq.html
>>
>> It's a document that describes all the great stuff you can work, like
>> MIR and OSCAR-21 and AO-13. Go ahead and get a copy from the Clear
>> Skies BBS - the number is listed! That FAQ is old enough to legally
>> consume alcohol in all 50 states, BTW, having turned 21 at the end of
>> last year.
>>
>> That's hardly the only instance of obsolete info on the AMSAT website.
>> When I google "what ham satellites are working?" the first AMSAT hit I
>> get is "Working your first Amateur Satellite!" by VK3JED
>> (http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/information/faqs/langdon.php). I'm
>> sure it was quite accurate when it was written, which was apparently
>> around the time SUNSAT was was launched. That page is now eligible to
>> hold a driver's license in most states.
>>
>> So let's not be too hard on random people trying to find information.
>>
>>
>> And yes, taking a cue from the "Volunteer For AMSAT" page, please sign
>> me up for "Web site information maintenance".
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>> --
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