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Today's Topics:
1. 2016 AMSAT Symposium Call for Papers (Daniel Schultz)
2. Re: US barriers to orbit (Re: Amateur communication
satellites (Dave Mann)
3. Re: US barriers to orbit (Re: Amateur communication
satellites) (Robert Bruninga)
4. US barriers to orbit (now: Cameras) (Robert Bruninga)
5. Re: US barriers to orbit (Re: Amateur communication
satellites) (Bryan Green)
6. Re: US barriers to orbit (now: Cameras) (Jerry Buxton)
7. Subject: Re: Financial arguments about full duplex
(Edward R Cole)
8. Re: US barriers to orbit (Re: Amateur communication
satellites) (skristof@xxxxxxx.xxxx
9. Upcoming ARISS contact with Justus-Knecht-Gymnasium,
Bruchsal, Germany (n4csitwo@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx
10. Re: US barriers to orbit (Re: Amateur communication
satellites) (Bryan KL7CN)
11. Re: US barriers to orbit (Re: Amateur communication
satellites) (Peter Laws)
12. Re: Financial arguments about full duplex
(Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 15:04:41 -0400
From: "Daniel Schultz" <n8fgv@xxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] 2016 AMSAT Symposium Call for Papers
Message-ID: <981uFCTDp3584S05.1467227081@xxxxx.xxx.xxx.xxx>
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This is the first call for papers for the 2016 AMSAT-NA Annual Meeting and
Space Symposium to be held on the weekend of November 10 - 14, 2016. Proposals
for papers, symposium presentations, and poster presentations are invited on
any topic of interest to the amateur satellite community. We request a
tentative title of your presentation as soon as possible, but no later than
September 15th. The final copy must be submitted by October 15th for inclusion
in the printed proceedings. Abstracts and papers should be sent to Dan Schultz
at n8fgv(at)amsat.org
The 2016 AMSAT Space Symposium and Annual Meeting will be held aboard the
cruise ship Carnival Liberty departing from the port of Galveston, Texas on
November 10, 2016 and returning to port on November 14, 2016.
73,
Dan Schultz N8FGV
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 14:16:44 -0500
From: Dave Mann <cwo4mann@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: Peter Laws <plaws0@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] US barriers to orbit (Re: Amateur
communication satellites
Message-ID: <457B6CFB-D885-431D-AAC1-697ADD271342@xxxxxxx.xxx>
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The US Government restricts the free export of certain devices and/or
components and requires a licensing process. Said process is, as usual,
difficult and filled with obfuscating rules. The theory is that it prevents
countries on an export embargo list from receiving components which may be
used for purposes which the USG determines may be harmful to US national or
corporate interests.
Goto this site and be amazed:
U.S. Export Control System - US Department of State
www.state.gov ? strategictrade ? overview
Of course, if you are a foreign government intent upon obtaining items
listed on the banned list, you simply use an intermediary located in a
non-banned country. Iran and North Korea have been doing that for years.
Regards,
Dave
N4CVX
CWO4 US Army (Ret.)
Sent from my iPad
> On Jun 29, 2016, at 13:40, Peter Laws <plaws0@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 9:47 AM, RSoifer1--- via AMSAT-BB
> <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>>
>> Within the US, when someone like Bob, WB4APR, tries to build amateur
>> communication sats, he runs into needless obstacles from FCC and NTIA.
>
> Expand, please.
>
> Just joined, so no back issues of the Journal to reference (that I
> know of ... and aside from the copy I got when I joined at Dayton).
>
>
> --
> Peter Laws | N5UWY | plaws plaws net | Travel by Train!
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 15:28:02 -0400
From: Robert Bruninga <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>
To: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] US barriers to orbit (Re: Amateur
communication satellites)
Message-ID: <f08d89014758a73f067b4a3caf336750@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>> Within the US, when someone like Bob, WB4APR, tries to build amateur
>> communication sats, he runs into needless obstacles from FCC and NTIA.
> Expand, please.
The FCC had held up our Advance Notice (API) filing on the Naval Academy's
last 5 Amateur Satellites (2 in orbit!) in a disagreement over whether
Amateur Satellites built by students at the Service Academies can be
amateur or must operate under NTIA rules in Federal Bands.
Since the 5 satellites all had 2-way ham-user transponders on them on 2m
and 70cm, the NTIA disagreed and said it was an FCC part 97 operation.
FCC said it had to be Federal (and back and forth). Note, we CANNOT get
an "Experimental license" from the FCC, because it is true, that our
institution is Federal. But when our students build an Amateur
Satellite, it does not matter who built it, what matters is how it is
OPERATED.
Finally, I think the paperwork was accepted by the FCC for OPERATION in
support of users in the Amateur Satellite Service and we have our fingers
crossed that they will forward the API Notices to the ITU.
To avoid any recurrence of this debate, our next student experimental
satellite will be a bent-pipe HF linear transponder like the early AMSATS
with uplink on 15m and downlink on 10m.
We walk a fine line... In order for DOD to launch it, the experiment has
to have some educational value to DOD. In order for us to be able to
build something useful and economical at the undergraduate level, it needs
to be amateur. So by proposing an HF transponder for our next project,
we NAILED-IT!
The Feds have NO SATELLITE allocations in HF, but the Amateur Satellite
Service does. Therefore if they want to let us learn anything about HF
satellites, then they have to let us operate it in the Amateur Satellite
Service where there will be plenty of "users" to exercise it.
So it will be a 100% amateur radio satellite for all hams worldwide and
what we learn from it will have value to understaning HF satellites.
Again, fingers crossed. This would be a 2018 satellite at the earliest.
LESSON LEARNED: Don't let anyone but the Amateur Satellite Control
operator get involved in the paper work. He files the paperwork and he
takes the responsibility for ON/OFF command as required by the FCC.
Bob, WB4APR
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 15:31:02 -0400
From: Robert Bruninga <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>
To: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] US barriers to orbit (now: Cameras)
Message-ID: <6edb0ab60d6592b0244689d6b85545b2@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
If anyone (non Federal) has successfully gotten a license for their
Satellite CAMERA through the US process (NOAA) , please contact me.
Thanks
Bob, WB4APR
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 12:33:25 -0700
From: Bryan Green <bryan@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Robert Bruninga <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] US barriers to orbit (Re: Amateur
communication satellites)
Message-ID: <4B26C88C-464B-4CF7-82B4-4025F0E2B110@xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
1. Yay. More satellites.
2. HF? Really? Huh.
3. Net-net: see 1.
-- bag
Bryan KL7CN/W6
bryan@xxxxx.xxx
On Jun 29, 2016, at 12:28, Robert Bruninga <bruninga@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
>>> Within the US, when someone like Bob, WB4APR, tries to build amateur
>>> communication sats, he runs into needless obstacles from FCC and NTIA.
>
>> Expand, please.
>
> The FCC had held up our Advance Notice (API) filing on the Naval Academy's
> last 5 Amateur Satellites (2 in orbit!) in a disagreement over whether
> Amateur Satellites built by students at the Service Academies can be
> amateur or must operate under NTIA rules in Federal Bands.
>
> Since the 5 satellites all had 2-way ham-user transponders on them on 2m
> and 70cm, the NTIA disagreed and said it was an FCC part 97 operation.
> FCC said it had to be Federal (and back and forth). Note, we CANNOT get
> an "Experimental license" from the FCC, because it is true, that our
> institution is Federal. But when our students build an Amateur
> Satellite, it does not matter who built it, what matters is how it is
> OPERATED.
>
> Finally, I think the paperwork was accepted by the FCC for OPERATION in
> support of users in the Amateur Satellite Service and we have our fingers
> crossed that they will forward the API Notices to the ITU.
>
> To avoid any recurrence of this debate, our next student experimental
> satellite will be a bent-pipe HF linear transponder like the early AMSATS
> with uplink on 15m and downlink on 10m.
>
> We walk a fine line... In order for DOD to launch it, the experiment has
> to have some educational value to DOD. In order for us to be able to
> build something useful and economical at the undergraduate level, it needs
> to be amateur. So by proposing an HF transponder for our next project,
> we NAILED-IT!
>
> The Feds have NO SATELLITE allocations in HF, but the Amateur Satellite
> Service does. Therefore if they want to let us learn anything about HF
> satellites, then they have to let us operate it in the Amateur Satellite
> Service where there will be plenty of "users" to exercise it.
>
> So it will be a 100% amateur radio satellite for all hams worldwide and
> what we learn from it will have value to understaning HF satellites.
>
> Again, fingers crossed. This would be a 2018 satellite at the earliest.
>
> LESSON LEARNED: Don't let anyone but the Amateur Satellite Control
> operator get involved in the paper work. He files the paperwork and he
> takes the responsibility for ON/OFF command as required by the FCC.
>
> Bob, WB4APR
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 14:47:09 -0500
From: Jerry Buxton <n0jy@xxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] US barriers to orbit (now: Cameras)
Message-ID: <863c68c3-d016-9059-8897-2c3197d454d6@xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
Hi Bob,
You are contacted. We have cameras (and "licenses") on Fox-1Cliff and
Fox-1D (yet to fly this fall).
You can contact me directly at my (this) n0jy amsat address.
Jerry Buxton, N?JY
On 6/29/2016 14:31, Robert Bruninga wrote:
> If anyone (non Federal) has successfully gotten a license for their
> Satellite CAMERA through the US process (NOAA) , please contact me.
>
> Thanks
> Bob, WB4APR
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 12:26:21 -0800
From: Edward R Cole <kl7uw@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Subject: Re: Financial arguments about full
duplex
Message-ID: <201606292026.u5TKQMcW005499@xxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
Having read Michael W4HIJ e-mail is humbling - but certainly a
testament to his dedication to getting on hamsats.
I've been fortunate to own equipment able to work AO-10 (TS-180+432
transverter plus IC-211), AO-40 (FT-847 plus stuff) and AO-27 with my
FT-817/Arrow (not duplex). Having extensive experience with the
Heo's before using the FT-817 was certainly useful for working
simplex. It's doable with care, but so much nicer if one has duplex
to monitor the downlink. Using two Baefeng or equivalent brings the
cost within range for most on FM-Leo's which predominate at present.
I have been retired six years on only social security income so
sympathetic on the subject of costs. Recently this has improved for
us so easier, now. I recently considered radios for duplex-sat
144/432 operation and was considering a FM dual-band mobile radio
(new) but the cost after acquiring a couple accessories ran to
$350. That seemed a bit excessive for "just FM". So I did a little
looking around and found a used FT-736R for $550. That gets me back
into being able to run all the sats (again). I already have my AO-40
antennas and rotator so not having to spend on that makes is easier,
for sure.
Also at nearly 72 years I'm not so interested in waving an Arrow
outside (but still have the Arrow).
I have accumulated a lot of ham gear over the last 25-years (so cost
has been spread out) but have more invested than most. Fortunate to
do that in my last years of employment (could not do it in the early
years). Michael is a real inspiration - you'll get there!
Lately in discussions with P4 group on designing the "new sat station".
73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
"Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag business:
dubususa@xxxxx.xxx
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 16:28:28 -0400
From: skristof@xxxxxxx.xxx
To: Robert Bruninga <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>, AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] US barriers to orbit (Re: Amateur
communication satellites)
Message-ID: <620fc22a0fc39c5f601fed0a1acbaa8f@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
"our next student experimental satellite will be a bent-pipe HF linear
transponder like the early AMSATS
with uplink on 15m and downlink on 10m."
Sounds cool. Looking forward to giving it a try.
(I missed the early birds. I'm old enough to have used them, but just
wasn't into it at the time.)
Steve AI9IN
On 2016-06-29 15:28, Robert Bruninga wrote:
> Within the US, when someone like Bob, WB4APR, tries to build amateur
> communication sats, he runs into needless obstacles from FCC and NTIA.
> Expand, please.
The FCC had held up our Advance Notice (API) filing on the Naval
Academy's
last 5 Amateur Satellites (2 in orbit!) in a disagreement over whether
Amateur Satellites built by students at the Service Academies can be
amateur or must operate under NTIA rules in Federal Bands.
Since the 5 satellites all had 2-way ham-user transponders on them on 2m
and 70cm, the NTIA disagreed and said it was an FCC part 97 operation.
FCC said it had to be Federal (and back and forth). Note, we CANNOT get
an "Experimental license" from the FCC, because it is true, that our
institution is Federal. But when our students build an Amateur
Satellite, it does not matter who built it, what matters is how it is
OPERATED.
Finally, I think the paperwork was accepted by the FCC for OPERATION in
support of users in the Amateur Satellite Service and we have our
fingers
crossed that they will forward the API Notices to the ITU.
To avoid any recurrence of this debate, our next student experimental
satellite will be a bent-pipe HF linear transponder like the early
AMSATS
with uplink on 15m and downlink on 10m.
We walk a fine line... In order for DOD to launch it, the experiment
has
to have some educational value to DOD. In order for us to be able to
build something useful and economical at the undergraduate level, it
needs
to be amateur. So by proposing an HF transponder for our next project,
we NAILED-IT!
The Feds have NO SATELLITE allocations in HF, but the Amateur Satellite
Service does. Therefore if they want to let us learn anything about HF
satellites, then they have to let us operate it in the Amateur Satellite
Service where there will be plenty of "users" to exercise it.
So it will be a 100% amateur radio satellite for all hams worldwide and
what we learn from it will have value to understaning HF satellites.
Again, fingers crossed. This would be a 2018 satellite at the earliest.
LESSON LEARNED: Don't let anyone but the Amateur Satellite Control
operator get involved in the paper work. He files the paperwork and he
takes the responsibility for ON/OFF command as required by the FCC.
Bob, WB4APR
_______________________________________________
Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
Opinions expressed
are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
program!
Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
------------------------------
Message: 9
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 16:35:23 -0400
From: <n4csitwo@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: <ariss-press@xxxxx.xxx>, "amsat-edu" <amsat-edu@xxxxx.xxx>,
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS contact with
Justus-Knecht-Gymnasium, Bruchsal, Germany
Message-ID: <9DDEC896CB8A465E9EC27D2B690C1FEF@xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
An International Space Station school contact has been planned with
participants at Justus-Knecht-Gymnasium, Bruchsal, Germany on 01 July. The
event is scheduled to begin at approximately 08:31 UTC. The duration of the
contact is approximately 9 minutes and 30 seconds. The contact will be
direct between OR4ISS and DN1JKG. The contact should be audible over Germany
and adjacent areas. Interested parties are invited to listen in on the
145.80 MHz downlink. The contact is expected to be conducted in English.
The Justus-Knecht-Gymnasium is one of the biggest schools of general
education in the administrative district of Karlsruhe
in Baden-Wurttemberg. More than 1,300 students are taught by over one
hundred teachers.
Our focus is on a scientific profile with the succession of languages being
English-French or English-Latin. Furthermore,
science and technology is a major subject starting in year 8. About 85% of
our students opt for this profile.
For four years now the Justus-Knecht-Gymnasium has been one of 44 model
schools in Baden-Wurttemberg which allow students
to take their A-levels at different speeds - either after eight or nine
years of secondary education.
The Justus-Knecht-Gymnasium is also participating in three different
educational pilot projects. In the last two years
leading up to their A-levels, students may take up Mathematics "plus" (an
enhanced version of the subject Mathematics,
six lessons a week) or computer science as a major subject as well as
science and technology as a minor subject.
Additionally, there are optional subjects for senior students, such as for
example psychology, philosophy, drama, and
especially natural sciences like geology, computer algebra, computer
science, and astronomy.
The Justus-Knecht-Gymnasium cooperates with partners in various fields,
especially the Karlsruhe Institute of Technology (KIT).
In 2015 the town of Bruchsal organized the "Heimattage Baden-W?rttemberg"
(Homeland Days of Baden-W?rttemberg).
The Justus Knecht-Gymnasium took part in different projects, e.g. "Heimat
Erde" (Homeland Earth). Students of different
years worked on the topic. Moreover there's a study team working together
with the amateur radio operators of Bruchsal.
They established radio communication, built a stratosphere balloon and
prepared the radio link to the ISS.
Participants will ask as many of the following questions as time allows:
1. Welcoming speech in English and Russian) Is the space debris a threat for
the ISS?
2. How long does it take to return to earth in case of emergency?
3. What do you do with the time saved due to time dilatation?
4. Do you feel the temperature differences between inside and outside during
a spacewalk?
5. When will it be possible to realize a mission to Mars in your opinion?
6. How do you lubricate mechanical parts against friction in space?
7. How many calories do you need per day?
8. Do you play dart in space?
9. Have you ever realized experiments with flying animals like birds on the
ISS?
10. In which way does the 90 minute-day-night-change influence your life on
board?
11. Are you floating in your dreams, too?
12. How do you recycle your water on board?
13. Which buildings can you see from above?
14. Are you able to see polar lights from above?
15. Which animals are living currently on board?
16. Do you miss the weather on the ISS?
17. What do you think about planet earth from high above?
18. Did you wear a life vest or parachute during your flight to the ISS?
19. What do you do in your spare time?
20. Did you get medical training during your preparation on earth?
PLEASE CHECK THE FOLLOWING FOR MORE INFORMATION ON ARISS UPDATES:
Visit ARISS on Facebook. We can be found at Amateur Radio on the
International Space Station (ARISS).
To receive our Twitter updates, follow @xxxxxxxxxxxx
Next planned event(s):
Science Museum of Virginia, Richmond, Virginia, telebridge via VK5ZAI
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled to be NA1SS
The scheduled astronaut is Jeff Williams KD5TVQ
Contact is a go for: Wed 2016-07-06 14:28:20 UTC
ABOUT ARISS
Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) is a cooperative
venture of international amateur radio societies and the space agencies that
support the International Space Station (ISS). In the United States,
sponsors are the Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation (AMSAT), the American
Radio Relay League (ARRL), and the National Aeronautics and Space
Administration (NASA). The primary goal of ARISS is to promote exploration
of science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM) topics by
organizing scheduled contacts via amateur radio between crew members aboard
the ISS and students in classrooms or informal education venues. With the
help of experienced amateur radio volunteers, ISS crews speak directly with
large audiences in a variety of public forums. Before and during these
radio contacts, students, teachers, parents, and communities learn about
space, space technologies, and amateur radio. For more information, see
www.ariss.org, www.amsat.org, and www.a
rrl.org.
Thank you & 73,
David - AA4KN
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 13:50:07 -0700
From: Bryan KL7CN <bryan@xxxxx.xxx>
To: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@xxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] US barriers to orbit (Re: Amateur
communication satellites)
Message-ID: <3DD9A968-AA8F-4CD7-A69A-F74F51C88971@xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Mode K is awesome!
But, it seems more "old style ham radio-y" than using VHF/UHF gear --
big-ish gear, big antennas. I was thinking about how someone with a
Raspberry Pi and a VHF/UHF module would use Mode K -- my HackerLab crowd.
Like I said: Yay. More satellites.
But I sure would like to see something more modern-feeling that would appeal
to the Maker/DIY/Rasperry Pi crowd.
But, see #1. :)
-- bag
Bryan KL7CN/W6
bryan@xxxxx.xxx
On Jun 29, 2016, at 13:00, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
Mode K was pretty popular back with RS-12/13! The Doppler shift is
minimal enough at those frequencies that any normal HF transceiver in
split mode will work fine.
The neat thing is the potential for subhorizon access to the satellite.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 3:33 PM, Bryan Green <bryan@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> 1. Yay. More satellites.
>
> 2. HF? Really? Huh.
>
> 3. Net-net: see 1.
>
> -- bag
>
> Bryan KL7CN/W6
> bryan@xxxxx.xxx
>
> On Jun 29, 2016, at 12:28, Robert Bruninga <bruninga@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
>>>> Within the US, when someone like Bob, WB4APR, tries to build amateur
>>>> communication sats, he runs into needless obstacles from FCC and NTIA.
>>
>>> Expand, please.
>>
>> The FCC had held up our Advance Notice (API) filing on the Naval Academy's
>> last 5 Amateur Satellites (2 in orbit!) in a disagreement over whether
>> Amateur Satellites built by students at the Service Academies can be
>> amateur or must operate under NTIA rules in Federal Bands.
>>
>> Since the 5 satellites all had 2-way ham-user transponders on them on 2m
>> and 70cm, the NTIA disagreed and said it was an FCC part 97 operation.
>> FCC said it had to be Federal (and back and forth). Note, we CANNOT get
>> an "Experimental license" from the FCC, because it is true, that our
>> institution is Federal. But when our students build an Amateur
>> Satellite, it does not matter who built it, what matters is how it is
>> OPERATED.
>>
>> Finally, I think the paperwork was accepted by the FCC for OPERATION in
>> support of users in the Amateur Satellite Service and we have our fingers
>> crossed that they will forward the API Notices to the ITU.
>>
>> To avoid any recurrence of this debate, our next student experimental
>> satellite will be a bent-pipe HF linear transponder like the early AMSATS
>> with uplink on 15m and downlink on 10m.
>>
>> We walk a fine line... In order for DOD to launch it, the experiment has
>> to have some educational value to DOD. In order for us to be able to
>> build something useful and economical at the undergraduate level, it needs
>> to be amateur. So by proposing an HF transponder for our next project,
>> we NAILED-IT!
>>
>> The Feds have NO SATELLITE allocations in HF, but the Amateur Satellite
>> Service does. Therefore if they want to let us learn anything about HF
>> satellites, then they have to let us operate it in the Amateur Satellite
>> Service where there will be plenty of "users" to exercise it.
>>
>> So it will be a 100% amateur radio satellite for all hams worldwide and
>> what we learn from it will have value to understaning HF satellites.
>>
>> Again, fingers crossed. This would be a 2018 satellite at the earliest.
>>
>> LESSON LEARNED: Don't let anyone but the Amateur Satellite Control
>> operator get involved in the paper work. He files the paperwork and he
>> takes the responsibility for ON/OFF command as required by the FCC.
>>
>> Bob, WB4APR
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 15:51:46 -0500
From: Peter Laws <plaws0@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Robert Bruninga <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] US barriers to orbit (Re: Amateur
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On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 2:28 PM, Robert Bruninga <bruninga@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> The FCC had held up our Advance Notice (API) filing on the Naval Academy's
> last 5 Amateur Satellites (2 in orbit!) in a disagreement over whether
> Amateur Satellites built by students at the Service Academies can be
> amateur or must operate under NTIA rules in Federal Bands.
Ugh. Thanks for the explanation, though.
--
Peter Laws | N5UWY | plaws plaws net | Travel by Train!
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:58:23 +0000
From: "Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)" <amsat-bb@xxxxxx.xxx>
To: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Financial arguments about full duplex
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Hi!
When it comes to being creative in the face of little or no access
to equipment, one example to remember is how Hector - CO6CBF
at the time in 2012 and 2013, now also W5CBF - scrounged to get
equipment and parts together to work satellites. For Hector in
2012 living in Cuba, even a $30 Baofeng radio was out of reach -
nobody sells them in Cuba, and with a monthly income for most
Cubans around US$20 to US$25/month even that radio is a luxury.
If you'd like to see what Hector did to put together his station,
he gave a presentation at the 2012 AMSAT Symposium in Orlando.
The video of his presentation is at:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eocmIubIBQ4
The slideshow that was displayed on the screen during Hector's
2012 talk is available at:
http://mstl.atl.calpoly.edu/~bklofas/Presentations/AMSAT
-NA_Symposium2012/Martinez_Cuban_Homebrew.pdf
This is ingenuity and creativity taken to a high level, out of
necessity.
Hector gave another presentation at the 2013 AMSAT Symposium
in Houston on a slightly different topic. You can see that video at:
?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH5Gb_dmuGs
and the slideshow is at:
http://mstl.atl.calpoly.edu/~bklofas/Presentations/AMSAT
-NA_Symposium2013/Martinez_FUNcube_School_Support.pdf
I am sensitive to hams who say that costs are an issue when
trying to get on the satellites. I also remind myself, and other
hams, that there are ways to get on the air when someone wants
to make it happen.
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
Twitter: @xxxxxx
On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 11:18 PM, Michael <Mat_62@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> I know full well what it's like to be on a budget and not have a lot of
> disposable income to spend on radio. I'm not a wealthy person by any
> stretch of the imagination. I've known a few hams in my lifetime who could
> spend what they wanted when they wanted to on radio. Unfortunately, most of
> us are not that lucky.
>
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