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Today's Topics:
1. pc sat ISS (jerry keeton)
2. local yokels (Lizeth Norman)
3. Re: local yokels (Joe)
4. W1AW/7 from DM33/DM43 for SO-50 passes today
(Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))
5. Re: local yokels (Donald Jacob)
6. Re: local yokels (Glen Zook)
7. Re: local yokels (Doug - k4gkj)
8. Re: local yokels (Glen Zook)
9. Re: local yokels (Doug - k4gkj)
10. Re: local yokels (Rich/wa4bue)
11. Re: local yokels (Jim Wright)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2014 10:28:57 -0500
From: "jerry keeton" <jkboxk@xxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] pc sat ISS
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I must retract My previous statement . I cannot confirm My hop from pc sat
to ISS or vice/versa . I missed a good opportunity .
WB5LHD
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2014 13:15:38 -0400
From: Lizeth Norman <normanlizeth@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "<,amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxxxxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] local yokels
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Hi all!
Was monitoring the 1645z pass of AO-73. Got blown out of my chair by
direct, in the passband interference on 145.95. Looked like FM. Sure
enough, two of the good old boys have a local simplex channel.
Did send one (the other doesn't have an email on QRZ, go figure!!!) an
email explaining that their conversation could have been retransmitted
all over north America, had FO-29 or AO-7 mode A been overhead.
Is there any regulatory body to report this type of stuff to?
There is enough RF trash being transmitted by xboxes and the like.
Don't need more.
Norm n3ykf
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2014 12:30:15 -0500
From: Joe <nss@xxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] local yokels
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Technically,
I honestly do not remember if there is any regulation about operating
there? Other than a gentleman's agreement.
Like running CW at 14.318, 100% legal, just isn't done tho.
Joe WB9SBD
Sig
The Original Rolling Ball Clock
Idle Tyme
Idle-Tyme.com
http://www.idle-tyme.com
On 8/30/2014 12:15 PM, Lizeth Norman wrote:
> Hi all!
> Was monitoring the 1645z pass of AO-73. Got blown out of my chair by
> direct, in the passband interference on 145.95. Looked like FM. Sure
> enough, two of the good old boys have a local simplex channel.
> Did send one (the other doesn't have an email on QRZ, go figure!!!) an
> email explaining that their conversation could have been retransmitted
> all over north America, had FO-29 or AO-7 mode A been overhead.
> Is there any regulatory body to report this type of stuff to?
> There is enough RF trash being transmitted by xboxes and the like.
> Don't need more.
> Norm n3ykf
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2014 11:07:10 -0700
From: "Patrick STODDARD \(WD9EWK/VA7EWK\)" <amsat-bb@xxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] W1AW/7 from DM33/DM43 for SO-50 passes today
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Hi!
I will operate as W1AW/7 from the DM33/DM43 grid boundary in Phoenix
for the two upcoming SO-50 passes, at 1933 and 2114 UTC. This is the
spot where I used to work satellite passes for many years. I will be on
AO-73 as W1AW/7 from my back yard - DM43 only - for the next pass at
1820 UTC, before I head out and set up at the grid boundary.
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2014 11:18:31 -0700
From: Donald Jacob <wb5eku@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Joe <nss@xxx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] local yokels
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The trick is education/information. Courtesy in any initial contact will go
a long way. They might not know about AMSAT or satellites and a brief,
concise explanation with info where they can get detailed information is a
great start.
Just my $0.02 worth (not adjusted for inflation)
Don
WB5EKU
On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Joe <nss@xxx.xxx> wrote:
> Technically,
>
> I honestly do not remember if there is any regulation about operating
> there? Other than a gentleman's agreement.
>
> Like running CW at 14.318, 100% legal, just isn't done tho.
>
> Joe WB9SBD
> Sig
> The Original Rolling Ball Clock
> Idle Tyme
> Idle-Tyme.com
> http://www.idle-tyme.com
>
> On 8/30/2014 12:15 PM, Lizeth Norman wrote:
>
>> Hi all!
>> Was monitoring the 1645z pass of AO-73. Got blown out of my chair by
>> direct, in the passband interference on 145.95. Looked like FM. Sure
>> enough, two of the good old boys have a local simplex channel.
>> Did send one (the other doesn't have an email on QRZ, go figure!!!) an
>> email explaining that their conversation could have been retransmitted
>> all over north America, had FO-29 or AO-7 mode A been overhead.
>> Is there any regulatory body to report this type of stuff to?
>> There is enough RF trash being transmitted by xboxes and the like.
>> Don't need more.
>> Norm n3ykf
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> Opinions expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>> AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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>>
>>
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2014 12:58:52 -0700
From: Glen Zook <gzook@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Donald Jacob <wb5eku@xxxxx.xxx>, Joe <nss@xxx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] local yokels
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Unfortunately, the vast number of amateur radio operators do not even know
the frequencies used for satellite up link and down link. Also, there are a
number of different "band plans" that sometimes contradict each other.
Remember, "band plans" have absolutely no basis in law because they are
completely voluntary in nature. The only thing that does have a legal
status are the regulations contained in 47 CFR Part 97!
Glen, K9STH
Website: http://k9sth.net
On Saturday, August 30, 2014 1:19 PM, Donald Jacob <wb5eku@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
The trick is education/information. Courtesy in any initial contact will go
a long way. They might not know about AMSAT or satellites and a brief,
concise explanation with info where they can get detailed information is a
great start.
Just my $0.02 worth (not adjusted for inflation)
Don
WB5EKU
On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Joe <nss@xxx.xxx> wrote:
> Technically,
>
> I honestly do not remember if there is any regulation about operating
> there? Other than a gentleman's agreement.
>
> Like running CW at 14.318, 100% legal, just isn't done tho.
>
> Joe WB9SBD
> Sig
> The Original Rolling Ball Clock
> Idle Tyme
> Idle-Tyme.com
> http://www.idle-tyme.com
>
> On 8/30/2014 12:15 PM, Lizeth Norman wrote:
>
>> Hi all!
>> Was monitoring the 1645z pass of AO-73. Got blown out of my chair by
>> direct, in the passband interference on 145.95. Looked like FM. Sure
>> enough, two of the good old boys have a local simplex channel.
>> Did send one (the other doesn't have an email on QRZ, go figure!!!) an
>> email explaining that their conversation could have been retransmitted
>> all over north America, had FO-29 or AO-7 mode A been overhead.
>> Is there any regulatory body to report this type of stuff to?
>> There is enough RF trash being transmitted by xboxes and the like.
>> Don't need more.
>> Norm n3ykf
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> Opinions expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>> AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2014 19:16:47 -0400
From: Doug - k4gkj <k4gkj@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: normanlizeth@xxxxx.xxxx amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] local yokels
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I'm an extra, and grew up learning ham etiquette from my grandfather,
although I've only been a ham a relatively short time. ?I had never been
exposed to satellite work, taught very little by other elders, and have
found it rather difficult to find a good source that taught the various
aspects. I entered this facet of the hobby via request from a local school
wanting to make contact with the ISS (scheduled for end of October). I have
had a struggle gaining good Intel on getting it done right and
inexpensively....?
Until jumping into this facet, I had no idea there were certain freq's I
needed to avoid. And it took another few months to realize that I needed to
use caution on power output! I was being told I needed a amp of up to 200
watts to talk to the ISS, but never was informed of the damage I could cause
to other birds with this amp....(no, have not done so!) . And I honestly am
worried about being too strong for the ISS.?
My point, these basic concepts are just not taught well enough. Many basic
concepts aren't being taught or expected to be learned.... ?I dont know who
is try so hard to make it so easy to be a ham, but it is working, and at the
same time causing problems of all kinds for the rest of us...?
My apologies for not knowing these frequencies of concern.... I sincerely
hope I never walked on another!?
It should be protested to have more teaching and test questions on the Tech
exam to avoid this. May also help to have these freqs listed on the band
plan chart??
I feel like I am learning a whole new hobby, with a very long way to go.?
Doug Bennight
K4GKJ
-------- Original message --------
From: Lizeth Norman <normanlizeth@xxxxx.xxx>
Date:
To: "<,amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxxxxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] local yokels
Hi all!
Was monitoring the 1645z pass of AO-73. Got blown out of my chair by
direct, in the passband interference on 145.95. Looked like FM. Sure
enough, two of the good old boys have a local simplex channel.
Did send one (the other doesn't have an email on QRZ, go figure!!!) an
email explaining that their conversation could have been retransmitted
all over north America, had FO-29 or AO-7 mode A been overhead.
Is there any regulatory body to report this type of stuff to?
There is enough RF trash being transmitted by xboxes and the like.
Don't need more.
Norm n3ykf
_______________________________________________
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2014 16:50:41 -0700
From: Glen Zook <gzook@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Doug - k4gkj <k4gkj@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>, "normanlizeth@xxxxx.xxxx
<normanlizeth@xxxxx.xxx>, "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] local yokels
Message-ID:
<1409442641.19557.YahooMailNeo@xxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
If you mean by "band plan chart", the colored one that is available from the
ARRL website, that is NOT an appropriate place for the information. The
ARRL chart reflects what is in the regulations concerning the emissions
allowed for each license class. In fact, the chart is NOT a "band plan
chart" but is a visual representation of 47 CFR Part 97 Section 97.301 and
47 CFR Part 97 Section 97.305.
A "band plan" is no more than a "suggested" use of various frequencies
and/or frequency segments that is proposed by a group. In fact, there are a
number of different "band plans" that are actually in conflict with other
"band plans". Following a "band plan" is strictly voluntary whereas
following the regulations is a legal requirement. There is a BIG difference!
The ARRL does have "band plans" for various amateur radio bands. But, those
are strictly the suggestions, by the ARRL, on how to operate on various
frequencies. There are also IARU "band plans" which differ among ITU Region
I, Region II, and Region III that are, in some cases, in conflict between
Region. The are "band plans" by other organizations that differ from those
proposed by the ARRL.
Glen, K9STH
Website: http://k9sth.net
On Saturday, August 30, 2014 6:17 PM, Doug - k4gkj <k4gkj@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
wrote:
I'm an extra, and grew up learning ham etiquette from my grandfather,
although I've only been a ham a relatively short time. I had never been
exposed to satellite work, taught very little by other elders, and have
found it rather difficult to find a good source that taught the various
aspects. I entered this facet of the hobby via request from a local school
wanting to make contact with the ISS (scheduled for end of October). I have
had a struggle gaining good Intel on getting it done right and
inexpensively....
Until jumping into this facet, I had no idea there were certain freq's I
needed to avoid. And it took another few months to realize that I needed to
use caution on power output! I was being told I needed a amp of up to 200
watts to talk to the ISS, but never was informed of the damage I could cause
to other birds with this amp....(no, have not done so!) . And I honestly am
worried about being too strong for the ISS.
My point, these basic concepts are just not taught well enough. Many basic
concepts aren't being taught or expected to be learned.... I dont know who
is try so hard to make it so easy to be a ham, but it is working, and at the
same time causing problems of all kinds for the rest of us...
My apologies for not knowing these frequencies of concern.... I sincerely
hope I never walked on another!
It should be protested to have more teaching and test questions on the Tech
exam to avoid this. May also help to have these freqs listed on the band
plan chart?
I feel like I am learning a whole new hobby, with a very long way to go.
Doug Bennight
K4GKJ
-------- Original message --------
From: Lizeth Norman <normanlizeth@xxxxx.xxx>
Date:
To: "<,amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxxxxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] local yokels
Hi all!
Was monitoring the 1645z pass of AO-73. Got blown out of my chair by
direct, in the passband interference on 145.95. Looked like FM. Sure
enough, two of the good old boys have a local simplex channel.
Did send one (the other doesn't have an email on QRZ, go figure!!!) an
email explaining that their conversation could have been retransmitted
all over north America, had FO-29 or AO-7 mode A been overhead.
Is there any regulatory body to report this type of stuff to?
There is enough RF trash being transmitted by xboxes and the like.
Don't need more.
Norm n3ykf
_______________________________________________
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to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2014 20:53:36 -0400
From: Doug - k4gkj <k4gkj@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: gzook@xxxxx.xxxx normanlizeth@xxxxx.xxxx amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] local yokels
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And your comment alone tells the complete, un-edited fact on how messed up
hams are at "communicating". ?(as in I appreciate your comment and your very
correct). We should have one plan, that will not be in contradiction or
confusing to anyone with a reasonable IQ can study and reference.?
?This idea of multiple plans is the reason I stay confused, wondering what
I'm doing right, wrong, and not a soul to consult (when it comes to folks I
know and trust that have considerable satellite experience - which is
*zero*). ?
Sadly, I don't see the ARRL and ARISS and other interested organizations to
get together and making this common and useful plan. Too many existing
repeaters that may be on the freqs, and who knows what else. Depressing in a
way.?
Doug Bennight
K4GKJ
-------- Original message --------
From: Glen Zook <gzook@xxxxx.xxx>
Date:
To: Doug - k4gkj
<k4gkj@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>,normanlizeth@xxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] local yokels
If you mean by "band plan chart", the colored one that is available from the
ARRL website, that is NOT an appropriate place for the information. ?The
ARRL chart reflects what is in the regulations concerning the emissions
allowed for each license class. ?In fact, the chart is NOT a "band plan
chart" but is a visual representation of 47 CFR Part 97 Section 97.301 and
47 CFR Part 97 Section 97.305.
A "band plan" is no more than a "suggested" use of various frequencies
and/or frequency segments that is proposed by a group. ?In fact, there are a
number of different "band plans" that are actually in conflict with other
"band plans". ?Following a "band plan" is strictly voluntary whereas
following the regulations is a legal requirement. ?There is a BIG difference!
The ARRL does have "band plans" for various amateur radio bands. ?But, those
are strictly the suggestions, by the ARRL, on how to operate on various
frequencies. ?There are also IARU "band plans" which differ among ITU Region
I, Region II, and Region III that are, in some cases, in conflict between
Region. ?The are "band plans" by other organizations that differ from those
proposed by the ARRL.
?
Glen, K9STH
Website: http://k9sth.net
On Saturday, August 30, 2014 6:17 PM, Doug - k4gkj <k4gkj@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
wrote:
I'm an extra, and grew up learning ham etiquette from my grandfather,
although I've only been a ham a relatively short time. ?I had never been
exposed to satellite work, taught very little by other elders, and have
found it rather difficult to find a good source that taught the various
aspects. I entered this facet of the hobby via request from a local school
wanting to make contact with the ISS (scheduled for end of October). I have
had a struggle gaining good Intel on getting it done right and
inexpensively....?
Until jumping into this facet, I had no idea there were certain freq's I
needed to avoid. And it took another few months to realize that I needed to
use caution on power output! I was being told I needed a amp of up to 200
watts to talk to the ISS, but never was informed of the damage I could cause
to other birds with this amp....(no, have not done so!) . And I honestly am
worried about being too strong for the ISS.?
My point, these basic concepts are just not taught well enough. Many basic
concepts aren't being taught or expected to be learned.... ?I dont know who
is try so hard to make it so easy to be a ham, but it is working, and at the
same time causing problems of all kinds for the rest of us...
My apologies for not knowing these frequencies of concern.... I sincerely
hope I never walked on another!?
It should be protested to have more teaching and test questions on the Tech
exam to avoid this. May also help to have these freqs listed on the band
plan chart??
I feel like I am learning a whole new hobby, with a very long way to go.?
Doug Bennight
K4GKJ
-------- Original message --------
From: Lizeth Norman <normanlizeth@xxxxx.xxx>
Date:?
To: "<,amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxxxxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] local yokels
Hi all!
Was monitoring the 1645z pass of AO-73. Got blown out of my chair by
direct, in the passband interference on 145.95. Looked like FM. Sure
enough, two of the good old boys have a local simplex channel.
Did send one (the other doesn't have an email on QRZ, go figure!!!) an
email explaining that their conversation could have been retransmitted
all over north America, had FO-29 or AO-7 mode A been overhead.
Is there any regulatory body to report this type of stuff to?
There is enough RF trash being transmitted by xboxes and the like.
Don't need more.
Norm n3ykf
_______________________________________________
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2014 21:27:31 -0400
From: "Rich/wa4bue" <richard.siff@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] local yokels
Message-ID: <803E88E8CD2C48B6BA01D278ADBB65D7@xxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
reply-type=original
I have been reading about this problem for some time. I saw one thing that
said one of the guys did not have an email address.
Did the person that observed the situtaion actuall contact one of the guys
interferring and get a responce back?
The amateur radio space coms are not covered in any great depth in our
license manuals. Did these guys actually realize they were interferring?
Who has the answer?
Rich
W4BUE
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2014 22:37:45 -0400
From: Jim Wright <wrightjrjr@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] local yokels
Message-ID: <54028A79.40907@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
We need to be be thankful the birds are not close enough to reach out
and touch. Back in the days before the 600khz split on VHF, there were
two repeater owners, one on 34-97, the other on 34-94 which became the
standard. Someone from the "other group" drilled a hole into a fence
post, telephone pole, or some such support easily hiding an oscillator
on the input freq. of the other machine. A tuned circuit and diode were
all that was needed to key the oscillator. The hole was very close to
the repeater site so that once the repeater came up, it keyed the bug
until the repeater timed out. This went on until the owners just
changed to a different freq. pair altogether. Yes, it was before solar
cells were cheap enough, so they used batteries.
I am glad we have moving birds and not stationary ones. Somehow someone
would repeat this on the birds today if it were easy.
The point being, gentlemen and gentlewomen, should coordinate and help
each other, not tie up repeaters and ISP time fussing about human nature
that is not going to change with out conscious effort.
Jim WA4IVM
On 8/30/2014 8:53 PM, Doug - k4gkj wrote:
> And your comment alone tells the complete, un-edited fact on how messed up
hams are at "communicating". (as in I appreciate your comment and your very
correct). We should have one plan, that will not be in contradiction or
confusing to anyone with a reasonable IQ can study and reference.
>
> This idea of multiple plans is the reason I stay confused, wondering
what I'm doing right, wrong, and not a soul to consult (when it comes to
folks I know and trust that have considerable satellite experience - which
is *zero*).
>
> Sadly, I don't see the ARRL and ARISS and other interested organizations
to get together and making this common and useful plan. Too many existing
repeaters that may be on the freqs, and who knows what else. Depressing in a
way.
>
>
>
>
> Doug Bennight
> K4GKJ
>
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Glen Zook <gzook@xxxxx.xxx>
> Date:
> To: Doug - k4gkj
<k4gkj@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>,normanlizeth@xxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] local yokels
>
> If you mean by "band plan chart", the colored one that is available from
the ARRL website, that is NOT an appropriate place for the information. The
ARRL chart reflects what is in the regulations concerning the emissions
allowed for each license class. In fact, the chart is NOT a "band plan
chart" but is a visual representation of 47 CFR Part 97 Section 97.301 and
47 CFR Part 97 Section 97.305.
>
> A "band plan" is no more than a "suggested" use of various frequencies
and/or frequency segments that is proposed by a group. In fact, there are a
number of different "band plans" that are actually in conflict with other
"band plans". Following a "band plan" is strictly voluntary whereas
following the regulations is a legal requirement. There is a BIG difference!
>
> The ARRL does have "band plans" for various amateur radio bands. But,
those are strictly the suggestions, by the ARRL, on how to operate on
various frequencies. There are also IARU "band plans" which differ among
ITU Region I, Region II, and Region III that are, in some cases, in conflict
between Region. The are "band plans" by other organizations that differ
from those proposed by the ARRL.
>
> Glen, K9STH
>
> Website: http://k9sth.net
>
>
> On Saturday, August 30, 2014 6:17 PM, Doug - k4gkj <k4gkj@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
wrote:
>
>
> I'm an extra, and grew up learning ham etiquette from my grandfather,
although I've only been a ham a relatively short time. I had never been
exposed to satellite work, taught very little by other elders, and have
found it rather difficult to find a good source that taught the various
aspects. I entered this facet of the hobby via request from a local school
wanting to make contact with the ISS (scheduled for end of October). I have
had a struggle gaining good Intel on getting it done right and
inexpensively....
> Until jumping into this facet, I had no idea there were certain freq's I
needed to avoid. And it took another few months to realize that I needed to
use caution on power output! I was being told I needed a amp of up to 200
watts to talk to the ISS, but never was informed of the damage I could cause
to other birds with this amp....(no, have not done so!) . And I honestly am
worried about being too strong for the ISS.
> My point, these basic concepts are just not taught well enough. Many basic
concepts aren't being taught or expected to be learned.... I dont know who
is try so hard to make it so easy to be a ham, but it is working, and at the
same time causing problems of all kinds for the rest of us...
> My apologies for not knowing these frequencies of concern.... I sincerely
hope I never walked on another!
> It should be protested to have more teaching and test questions on the
Tech exam to avoid this. May also help to have these freqs listed on the
band plan chart?
> I feel like I am learning a whole new hobby, with a very long way to go.
>
>
>
> Doug Bennight
> K4GKJ
>
>
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Lizeth Norman <normanlizeth@xxxxx.xxx>
> Date:
> To: "<,amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxxxxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> Subject: [amsat-bb] local yokels
>
> Hi all!
> Was monitoring the 1645z pass of AO-73. Got blown out of my chair by
> direct, in the passband interference on 145.95. Looked like FM. Sure
> enough, two of the good old boys have a local simplex channel.
> Did send one (the other doesn't have an email on QRZ, go figure!!!) an
> email explaining that their conversation could have been retransmitted
> all over north America, had FO-29 or AO-7 mode A been overhead.
> Is there any regulatory body to report this type of stuff to?
> There is enough RF trash being transmitted by xboxes and the like.
> Don't need more.
> Norm n3ykf
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