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Today's Topics:
1. Re: any move a foot? (Dave Webb KB1PVH)
2. Re: any move a foot? (JoAnne Maenpaa)
3. Re: New Outernet L-Band service... (Robert Bruninga)
4. Re: New Outernet L-Band service... (Alan)
5. Re: another question (skristof@xxxxxxx.xxxx
6. 4A0ASM Scout of Mexico (XE1AY-XE3DX) (David Maciel (XE3DX))
7. Gulf Alpha antennas for sale (Dave Webb KB1PVH)
8. Re: any move a foot? (Edward R Cole)
9. Re: any move a foot? (W M Willoughby)
10. Re: New Outernet L-Band service... (Dave Hartzell)
11. Any CY9C SAT QSLs? (R.T.Liddy)
12. Re: Any CY9C SAT QSLs? (Paul Stoetzer)
13. Re: New Outernet L-Band service... (Dani EA4GPZ)
14. Active Birds (Joe)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 12:26:10 -0400
From: Dave Webb KB1PVH <kb1pvh@xxxxx.xxx>
To: w4upd <w4upd@xxx.xx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT -BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] any move a foot?
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Reid,
That is very true. What I have noticed is that the people who aren't
members seem to gripe the most about no HEO and one in particular stated he
would pay all past years dues when AMSAT launches one. I'm not sure how
paying after it gets built and launched helps to make it happen.
Dave-KB1PVH
Sent from my Galaxy S7
On Oct 14, 2016 12:19 PM, "w4upd" <w4upd@xxx.xx.xxx> wrote:
Apogee is only available to members. Keep in mind that not all participants
on this list are members.
Reid, W4UPD
Amsat: 17002
On 10/14/2016 11:56 AM, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
> Apogee View lays out the status of AMSAT projects in a comprehensive
> fashion six times per year in The AMSAT Journal. The answers to these
> types of questions are usually found there. I encourage everyone to
> read the Journal as soon as it arrives in your mailbox.
>
> 73,
>
> Paul, N8HM
>
> On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 11:39 AM, John Becker <w0jab@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
>> OK I ask this from time to time and this is one of the times.
>> Let me start by saying that I have NOT.
>> But is there any move afoot for a replacement for AO40?
>>
>> John, W0JAB
>>
>>
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 11:27:07 -0500
From: "JoAnne Maenpaa" <k9jkm@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] any move a foot?
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> Apogee is only available to members. Keep in mind that not all
> participants on this list are members.
One of the chief benefits of paid-up AMSAT-NA membership is to receive the
information first via the AMSAT Journal.
--
73 de JoAnne K9JKM
k9jkm@xxxxx.xxx
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 12:28:01 -0400
From: Robert Bruninga <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>
To: Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] New Outernet L-Band service...
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From: Alan WA4SCA
> I Have the plug and play system up and running.
> Pointing is very uncritical, and the 46 degree elevation nicely clears
the trees.
> After 3 hours, the only download is some APRS traffic. ;)
I was ready to buy the stuff and got too confused. So Scott, K4KDR wrote
this nice summary:
http://aprs.org/OUTNET/Scotts-description1.txt
I have a link to it on the APRS OUTNET page:
http://aprs.org/outnet.html
BIG PICTURE: The bottom line is you build one of these boxes, take it
anywhere in the world, and it receives the Outernlink downlink and creates
a WiFi hot spot that any surrounding users in WiFi range can then access
the downloaded files. In addition to Weather for example are the hourly
APRS files showing all the Amateur Radio Satellite APRS downlink data.
And/or any APRS traffic that contains the word OUTNET in it. So anyone
can send messages anywhere in the world to such users. Then they can use
APRS on HF or satellites or whatever to reply back. Thus, a possible
2-way emergency response system.
Bob, WB4APR
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 12:26:52 -0500
From: Alan <wa4sca@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "'Amsat BB'" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] New Outernet L-Band service...
Message-ID: <000001d22640$27d02300$77706900$@xxxxx.xxx>
Bob,
A couple of hours later, and I also have weather, some basic news, pictures,
etc. Reminds me of the
KO-23 pacsat days. Easy to check from my computer, but also my phone. Next
step is to come up with a
better and more waterproof mount than the two old textbooks I used.
Scott's collection is good. The basic information is there on the Outernet
site, but badly scattered.
73s,
Alan
WA4SCA
<-----Original Message-----
<From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On Behalf Of Robert
Bruninga
<Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:28 AM
<To: Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
<Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] New Outernet L-Band service...
<
<From: Alan WA4SCA
<> I Have the plug and play system up and running.
<> Pointing is very uncritical, and the 46 degree elevation nicely clears
<the trees.
<> After 3 hours, the only download is some APRS traffic. ;)
<
<I was ready to buy the stuff and got too confused. So Scott, K4KDR wrote
<this nice summary:
<http://aprs.org/OUTNET/Scotts-description1.txt
<
<I have a link to it on the APRS OUTNET page:
<http://aprs.org/outnet.html
<
<BIG PICTURE: The bottom line is you build one of these boxes, take it
<anywhere in the world, and it receives the Outernlink downlink and creates
<a WiFi hot spot that any surrounding users in WiFi range can then access
<the downloaded files. In addition to Weather for example are the hourly
<APRS files showing all the Amateur Radio Satellite APRS downlink data.
<
<And/or any APRS traffic that contains the word OUTNET in it. So anyone
<can send messages anywhere in the world to such users. Then they can use
<APRS on HF or satellites or whatever to reply back. Thus, a possible
<2-way emergency response system.
<
<Bob, WB4APR
<_______________________________________________
<Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
<to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
<are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 13:36:48 -0400
From: skristof@xxxxxxx.xxx
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] another question
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Thank you. That makes a bunch of sense. For some reason my brain got
stuck on thinking about extended solar panels like on the ISS, instead
of on the side of a cube (Cubesat!).
Steve
On 2016-10-13 21:50, Daniel Kekez wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 03:46:05PM -0400, skristof@xxxxxxx.xxx wrote:
>
>> My question: We can get data about voltages coming from X, Y, and Z
>> solar panels. I understand that X, Y, and Z are three spatial axes.
>>
>> But solar panels are planes. Are the panels oriented in a particular
>> plane (i.e. is the X panel in the X-Y plane or the X-Z plane) or do they
>> rotate around their particular axis?
>
> The X panel's normal vector is aligned with the X axis of the
> satellite. So the X panel is parallel to the Y-Z plane.
>
>> If they are fixed in one plane, is it standard for most satellites, or
>> does it vary from satellite to satellite? If it varies, how can we tell
>> which plane the solar panel is in?
>
> Coordinate axes are arbitary for each satellite. The designer of the
> satellite will include an axis triad on solid model drawings so others
> will know how the axes are labeled.
>
> In fact, various components on the satellite, like attitude sensors (sun
> sensors, Earth horizon sensors, star trackers), will have their own axes
> in their own frames of reference. Some math is then required to map their
> measurements into the satellite's frame of reference, which is called
> the body frame.
>
>> Are the axes always in the same orientation (e.g. is the Z axis always
>> pointed towards the Earth?)?
>
> It depends on the attitude control system of the satellite. In the
> absence of control, the satellite could be pointed anywhere at any given
> time. If the satellite has magnets, it can align with the Earth's
> magnetic field, like a compass needle does. Earth observation satellites
> use reaction wheels or control-modement gyros to precisely control their
> pointing and keep their camera on one face of the satellite percisely
> pointed at the Earth.
>
>> If there is a book or other reference for these kinds of things, please
>> let me know.
>
> One of the common engineering texts that give an overview of all satellite
> subsystems and various design trades is _Space Mission Analysis and
> Design_ by Larson and Wertz. The latest edition of this book is now
> called _Space Mission Engineering_ by Wertz. But there are many others.
>
> Regards,
> -Daniel VA3KKZ
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 14:52:23 -0500
From: "David Maciel (XE3DX)" <david.xe3dx@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Grupo Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] 4A0ASM Scout of Mexico (XE1AY-XE3DX)
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I'm not sure if will work on Saturday as 4A0ASM (Mexico Scout Association)
or XE3DX from the scout camp (EK36), it all depends on availability. XE1AY
DK-79 and XE3DX EK36, 4A0ASM work. Sorry, but the conditions will only be
FM satellites AO-85, SO-50, LilacSat whenever possible. transmissions will
be made all day, many at midnight from the camp.
David Maciel XE3DX
*http://www.qsl.net/xe3dx/ <http://www.qsl.net/xe3dx/>*
*david.xe3dx@xxxxx.xxx <david.xe3dx@xxxxx.xxx>*
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 16:30:30 -0400
From: Dave Webb KB1PVH <kb1pvh@xxxxx.xxx>
To: AMSAT -BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Gulf Alpha antennas for sale
Message-ID:
<CAEMY9FdX_6CpY9qAQrsBYy3wK7nCu2WDQZvWQ3bTRUt9JL5PEQ@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
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I have an 8x8 UHF and 5x5 VHF from Gulf Alpha that I am no longer using for
sale. I just replaced the 2 N connectors on the UHF. $250 plus shipping.
Contact me directly if interested.
Dave-KB1PVH
Sent from my Galaxy S7
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 12:52:30 -0800
From: Edward R Cole <kl7uw@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] any move a foot?
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Back on the "back shelf", but there is P3E (read in German):
http://www.amsat-dl.org/index.php/satelliten-mainmenu-76/amsat-p3-e-mainmenu-8
3
73, Ed - KL7UW
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Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 17:06:35 +0100
From: "Simon Brown" <simon@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] any move a foot?
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Sadly no concrete plans for HEO on the horizon :( .
Simon Brown, GK4ELI
http://sdr-radio.com
-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On Behalf Of John Becker
Sent: 14 October 2016 16:40
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] any move a foot?
OK I ask this from time to time and this is one of the times.
Let me start by saying that I have NOT.
But is there any move afoot for a replacement for AO40?
John, W0JAB
73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
"Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag business:
dubususa@xxxxx.xxx
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 16:01:44 -0500
From: W M Willoughby <redski@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] any move a foot?
Message-ID: <B0853877-C6CB-4B24-AD3A-C427B2A6F61A@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
I should also be noted that this list is also an AMSAT resource, supported
by members' dues.
Red
KC4LE
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 16:35:49 -0600
From: Dave Hartzell <hartzell@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] New Outernet L-Band service...
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It seems like the Outernet folks may be ramping up the data feeds, so
perhaps more content is to come.
I hope someday a service like this will be available from an AMSAT
geostationary service.
On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 11:26 AM, Alan <wa4sca@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> Bob,
>
> A couple of hours later, and I also have weather, some basic news,
> pictures, etc. Reminds me of the
> KO-23 pacsat days. Easy to check from my computer, but also my phone.
> Next step is to come up with a
> better and more waterproof mount than the two old textbooks I used.
>
> Scott's collection is good. The basic information is there on the
> Outernet site, but badly scattered.
>
>
> 73s,
>
> Alan
> WA4SCA
>
>
>
>
> <-----Original Message-----
> <From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On Behalf Of Robert
> Bruninga
> <Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:28 AM
> <To: Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> <Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] New Outernet L-Band service...
> <
> <From: Alan WA4SCA
> <> I Have the plug and play system up and running.
> <> Pointing is very uncritical, and the 46 degree elevation nicely clears
> <the trees.
> <> After 3 hours, the only download is some APRS traffic. ;)
> <
> <I was ready to buy the stuff and got too confused. So Scott, K4KDR wrote
> <this nice summary:
> <http://aprs.org/OUTNET/Scotts-description1.txt
> <
> <I have a link to it on the APRS OUTNET page:
> <http://aprs.org/outnet.html
> <
> <BIG PICTURE: The bottom line is you build one of these boxes, take it
> <anywhere in the world, and it receives the Outernlink downlink and creates
> <a WiFi hot spot that any surrounding users in WiFi range can then access
> <the downloaded files. In addition to Weather for example are the hourly
> <APRS files showing all the Amateur Radio Satellite APRS downlink data.
> <
> <And/or any APRS traffic that contains the word OUTNET in it. So anyone
> <can send messages anywhere in the world to such users. Then they can use
> <APRS on HF or satellites or whatever to reply back. Thus, a possible
> <2-way emergency response system.
> <
> <Bob, WB4APR
> <_______________________________________________
> <Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> <to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions expressed
> <are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> <Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> <Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 23:53:51 +0000 (UTC)
From: "R.T.Liddy" <k8bl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>, Satdx-bb <satdx-bb@xxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Any CY9C SAT QSLs?
Message-ID: <772871140.684348.1476489231168@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
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Has anyone gotten a CY9C SAT QSL via LoTW?
Last I heard, there was an issue with their N1MM SAT Logging.
TNX, ? ? Bob - K8BL
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 20:00:09 -0400
From: Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@xxxx.xxx>
To: "R.T.Liddy" <k8bl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Any CY9C SAT QSLs?
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Yes, there were some issues with the logs. AMSAT has offered
assistance with the logs and hopefully they will be corrected soon.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 7:53 PM, R.T.Liddy <k8bl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> Has anyone gotten a CY9C SAT QSL via LoTW?
> Last I heard, there was an issue with their N1MM SAT Logging.
> TNX, Bob - K8BL
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2016 13:36:21 +0200
From: Dani EA4GPZ <daniel@xxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] New Outernet L-Band service...
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El 15/10/16 a las 00:35, Dave Hartzell escribi?:
> I hope someday a service like this will be available from an AMSAT
> geostationary service.
I'm pretty confident that the guys at AMSAT-DL are capable of doing this
much better on the upcoming EsHail'2 than what Outernet is currently
doing on Inmarsat (unfortunately not worldwide coverage).
They already have in mind a "DVB-S beacon", which is a DVB-S signal that
is broadcast from the ground station at Qatar and through the wideband
Amateur transponder. They plan to put informational videos about Ham
radio and Ham radio events on this signal. They could also include some
data stream if there is enough interest.
What is more, if you have equipment to operate EsHail'2 on SSB, it's
more or less easy to use either the narrowband transponder or the
wideband transponder to transmit an Outernet-type signal through
EsHail'2, so anyone can have a go with this.
Outernet uses 4200baud BPSK and half of the bitrate is spent for FEC.
You can use a bit less bitrate to get a signal that will even pass
through a conventional 2.7kHz SSB filter and you can use less bits for
FEC to get increased data throughput (at the cost of a bit more SNR
required).
73,
Dani EA4GPZ.
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2016 08:57:03 -0500
From: Joe <nss@xxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Active Birds
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Morning All,
I am getting serious about getting on the Birds again after a nearly 40
year gap.
And have rather crudely actually made my first contact via a Bird in 40+
years on AO-07 With AL7RS in Alaska. Major kudos to him for trying to
work my bogus signal! Way cool what a way to get started all over again.
I have been going through the birds on this page,
http://www.amsat.org/status/
And from what I am determining from what I have found so far. That if I
try for a long term goal of Worked All States, That from my QTH here in
EN43xo that the only bird that is capable of having a mutual window
between me and KH6 Land Hawaii, is also via AO-07.
Or are there any others that may have a mutual window?
Joe WB9SBD
--
Sig
The Original Rolling Ball Clock
Idle Tyme
Idle-Tyme.com
http://www.idle-tyme.com
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