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Today's Topics:

   1. AMSAT Symposium at Sea (Frank Westphal)
   2. Xiwang-1 HO-68 report (Jean-Pierre Godet)
   3. Re: Circular Polarization vs. Preamps (Miguel Angel Baldonado)
   4. Re: Great White North Grid Expedition Schedule for Saturday
      (skristof@xxxxxxx.xxxx
   5. EO79 telemetry (skristof@xxxxxxx.xxxx
   6. Re: AMSAT Symposium (Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK))


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 23:14:53 -0800
From: Frank Westphal <k6fw1@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Symposium at Sea
Message-ID: <bdc4d4cd-84de-2d37-8f6c-ae8db21f3c29@xxxxxxx.xxx>
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I had a fantastic time at the AMSAT Symposium at Sea.  I would go again
next year if a cruise is offered.  How about a cruise out of a Florida
port.  I learned a lot, had a great time meeting operators face to face
that I had only talked to on the birds.  Had fun in Progresso.  Made a
dozen QSO's from rare grids to make the operators who stayed home happy.

I went to the Baltimore Symposium two years ago and spent at least as
much money as the cruise trip all expenses included.  I enjoyed the
Baltimore trip, but there was more opportunity to get to know the other
AMSAT members on the cruise and exchange ideas.

A big thank you to Clayton, W5PFG, and his symposium committee and the
AMSAT Board of Directors for believing in the idea and backing it.

As far as furthering the fund raising for AMSAT the venue of the
symposium has minimal impact on attracting additional dollars.  I have
to believe a symposium on a cruise ship costs AMSAT less that at a
tradition hotel.

Attracting additional members will of course increase the income.
Getting hams exciting about working the satellites will increase
membership.

The funding model for most large dxpeditions is half from the operators
going on the expedition and the other half from fundraising from the ham
community and corporate sponsors.  AMSAT is working on the corporate
donors.  If every AMSAT member was a member of the President's Club at
what ever level they can afford that would sure help the deficit.  No
hobby is inexpensive.  Have you checked on the cost of a golf membership
lately.

I for one think AMSAT is a terrific organization and hope the future is
bright.

Frank
K6FW


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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 11:10:57 +0000
From: Jean-Pierre Godet <godetj@xxxxxxx.xx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Xiwang-1 HO-68 report
Message-ID: <c20ebc63-e781-7c25-a135-41527f81ec29@xxxxxxx.xx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

   Hi my friends,

   With illuminated solar panels, the signal was better this morning
than yesterday evening on this pass over western Europe at about 0830
UTC (orbit number 33392) and I was able to copy some whole frames.

08:28:20 UTC, full telemetry frame then silence ;
08:30:50 UTC, only the letter B then silence ;
08:35:35 UTC, two full telemetry frames and the begining of the next one
(after that, silence). The record of these two and a half frames is here:
http://f5yg.pagesperso-orange.fr/incoming/HOPE-1_orb33392_26nov2016.mp3
and the content here:
BJ1SA XW XW AAA TTT AVN VNE ETT TTT TTT TTT TTT TTT TTT TTT TTT XW XW
BJ1SA XW XW AAA TTT AVN A6E ETT TTT TTT TTT TTT TTT TTT TTT TTT XW XW
BJ1SA XW XW AAA TTT AVN VNE ETT T

channel 1: AAA ==> 111 ==> PA number 2 is the one working ;
channel 2: TTT ==> 000 ==> beacon mode only ;
channel 3: AVN ==> 139 ==> TX temperature + 39 deg. C ;
channel 4: VNE ==> 395 and A6E ==> 165 ==> beacon RF output power, large
range from 395 to 165 and again 395 milliwatts ;
channel 5: ETT ==> 5.00 volts ;
all other channels are zero.

   Have a nice day, 73, long life again to Xiwang-1!

   Jean-Pierre F5YG






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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 13:10:24 +0000
From: Miguel Angel Baldonado <lu3emb@xxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Circular Polarization vs. Preamps
Message-ID:
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x>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Hi Fred

There is nothing better than circular polarization for fixed antenna systems.
I have worked many satellites with fixed antenna in elevation (35 degrees)
but only I could do well with the SSB.

I can only work with FMs when installing circular polarization antennas with
the possibility of changing their sense (LHCP / RHCP) and installing low
noise preamplifiers (AR2)

73 to all

Mike
LU3EMB

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Today's Topics:

   1. Circular Polarization vs. Preamps (Fred Castello)
   2. AMSAT SYMPOSIUM (jeffory broughton)
   3. LilacSat-2 FM was on for a little bit tonight (Clayton Coleman)
   4. Great White North Grid Expedition Schedule for Saturday
      (Ken Alexander)
   5. Re: AMSAT Symposium (Ted)
   6. Re: Circular Polarization vs. Preamps (Stefan Wagener)
   7. HO-68 CW Beacon heard (Pedro Converso)
   8. Re: HO-68 CW Beacon heard (Scott)
   9. Re: HO-68 CW Beacon heard (Pedro Converso)
  10. AMSAT Symposium (Clint Bradford)
  11. AMSAT Symposium (Clint Bradford)
  12. Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2016-11-26 07:00    UTC
      (AJ9N@xxx.xxxx


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 18:12:03 -0500
From: Fred Castello
To: AMSAT bbs
Subject: [amsat-bb] Circular Polarization vs. Preamps
Message-ID: <9E3C84B9-0115-4112-99CE-3BEFB5A1B831@xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Folks,

I have now finally become active again on some of the satellites with a
handheld Arrow and my bulky but beloved Kenwood TS-790A.  See my QRZ page
for picture of how I have it setup outside when I operate.  I am trying to
put together a more permanent antenna system within my budget.  I have been
rather surprised how much fade is apparent in some of the birds which
responds usually to some degree by twisting the axis of the Arrow antenna. 
So, my question is as follows:

Would you rather have:

A)     The ability to switch polarization, presumably from RHCP to LHCP (or
maybe even vertical to horizontal)? Unfortunately my research shows to date
that this option is still rather expensive.  Any suggestions on how to
achieve this on a modest budget would be appreciated.

 OR

B)     A reasonable preamp on both 2 meters and 70 cm?  (I have never worked
with a preamp yet-though I have ordered the "Original Broadband Satellite RX
Preamp? from the AMSAT store and plan on using that and switching it
manually depending on what bird I am using into the receive side).
For information, I will have about 70 feet of feedline.

Assuming that one cannot have both.
As usual, I really appreciate your time and input.
Best,
Fred-KF4FC
Fishersville, VA

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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 18:30:21 -0500
From: jeffory broughton
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT SYMPOSIUM
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

Last year's symposium:
Attend presentationa all day
Have dinner
Go home
This year's SYMPOSIUM :
DAY ONE:
Attend presentations all day
Have DINNER
DAY TWO:
Spend the entire next day off ship at a resort eating,drinking,getting a
massage.
Back to the shop trying to decide which one or all of the 22 resturants to
go to.
Go to the comedy club.
Win some money at the casino.
Meet in small groups every evening to talk about the hobby we love so much.
Small groups meet all over the ship evening to talk about the hobby we love
so much
Operate your portable satellite station
>From rare grids EVERY DAY !
DAY THREE:
REPEATE DAY TWO.
Hats off to all who organized this event.
It was brilliant,absolutely brilliant.
Morale, comorodary, fellowship was over the top.Everyone came away with a
wealth of knowledge,a smile on their face and at least 8-10 extra
pounds.the quality of food was outstanding.
I would do it again tomorrow !
73 WB8RJY

jeff broughton


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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 17:55:20 -0600
From: Clayton Coleman
To: AMSAT-BB
Subject: [amsat-bb] LilacSat-2 FM was on for a little bit tonight
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

At 23:38 UTC, heard LilacSat-2 FM transponder active. I gave my
callsign a few times. It switched off around 23:41 UTC.

73
Clayton
W5PFG


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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 19:24:53 -0500
From: Ken Alexander
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Great White North Grid Expedition Schedule for
        Saturday
Message-ID: <80415d2b-ecc6-f7f6-4dbc-236bd78b5788@xxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

Val-d'Or QC is colder and snowier than everywhere else I've been.  This
is where the grid activations are really going to be weather dependent.

First of all, I'm afraid I have to sacrifice FN17.  It's in the wrong
direction and the distances are too great.  Tomorrow will be all about
FN09, FN18 and FN19.  To be efficient, I will try to operate from grid
boundaries, specifically FN18/FN19 and then FN09/FN19 a little later.
Hopefully, I can park on the side of the highway without getting in the
way.  If you look at it on a map, the highway (Hwy 109 north from
FN18at) connects civilization with...well, very very little!  Traffic
should be very light.

I have a long drive to my next hotel tomorrow evening, so I am finishing
up with the AO-7's pass at 2021.  I hope I have this right...AO-7 will
be in Mode B tomorrow?  If not, there won't be much to do.

SO-50 isn't positioned well.  The only opportunity we have tomorrow is
at 1305.  I was hoping to do better for the FM-only ops.  That's just
the way it is.

  26.11.2016 SO-50        13:05
  26.11.2016  AO-73        14:06
  26.11.2016  FO-29        15:14
  26.11.2016  EO-79        15:39
  26.11.2016  FO-29        17:00
  26.11.2016  AO-07        18:28
  26.11.2016  AO-85        18:49
  26.11.2016  AO-07        20:21

As always, keep following me on Twitter @xxxxxx for updates...although,
once I'm up there I'll be well out of cellphone range.

73,

Ken
VE3HLS


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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 16:50:22 -0800
From: "Ted"
To: ,   "'Amsat BB'"
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Symposium
Message-ID: <001201d2477f$11cf6970$356e3c50$@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="utf-8"

Excellent commentary, Pablo...

Unfortunately, you took the bait, thus giving him another chance to toot his
horn..

Everyone knows what he is. Simply ignoring ANY of his posts is the way to
deal with the problem.

73, K7TRK

-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On Behalf Of
pablomiel70--- via AMSAT-BB
Sent: Friday, November 25, 2016 12:56 PM
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Symposium

Clint Bragford K6LCS,
Your posts amount to an epic fail. When AMSAT announced their 2016 symposium
would be on a ship, you immediately tried to sink it. You were shot down by
numerous, well respected individuals who have something you haven't got --
humility. When's the last time you attended a symposium? Ummm, never?
http://www.amsat.org/pipermail/amsat-bb/2016-January/056856.html
http://www.amsat.org/pipermail/amsat-bb/2016-January/056858.htmlhttp://www.ams
at.org/pipermail/amsat-bb/2016-January/056859.html
You have no idea what a symposium costs AMSAT. The meeting space, tea,
coffee, etc. didn't cost AMSAT a dime on the cruise ship. Just because you
don't like W5PFG, don't take it out on AMSAT. Your idiotic posts clearly
demonstrate you can't tell the difference between a general meeting slide
deck and the symposium event. You just have a bone to pick because someone
out-did you, again. I like how you decided to bring the conversation to your
personal domain (Yahoo Work-Scat) rather than publicly discuss on AMSAT's
message forum, the AMSAT-BB. Petty and weak! While we are at it, why do you
even care about AMSAT? A few months ago, you threatened them with legal
action if they didn't "reign in" one of their most dedicated volunteers.
That man, WD9EWK, happens to be one of the most generous and outspoken
educators in the satellite community. You are not a team player and frankly
I don't see why AMSAT didn't strip you of your "Area Coordinator" title
sooner!
Nobody cares about the "kudos" and "thank you" emails you supposedly get via
email. Most of the time, you are talking to yourself on the self-promoting
forum threads you scatter across the web. Intelligent people pick up on your
silly auctions as a PR trick to get more website hits.
Today you're promoting barbed wire antennas again on another forum. How
silly? Barbed wire is not an effective material for constructing antennas.
Because one guy did it as a novelty, you act like it should work for
everyone in every situation.
Face it, your advice sucks. Your frequency chart (which was wrong for a long
time, BTW) is basically your one trick pony. Any videos of you working a
satellite on YouTube demonstrate your novice skill level.
I'm thankful this season that you are not a professional educator in any
school system.
_______________________________________________
Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all
interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
views of AMSAT-NA.
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 19:01:03 -0600
From: Stefan Wagener
To: Fred Castello
Cc: AMSAT bbs
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Circular Polarization vs. Preamps
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

Hi Fred,

any preamp will only amplify what the antenna receives. No preamp can
compensate for polarization mismatch.

Stefan, VE4NSA

On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 5:12 PM, Fred Castello
wrote:

> Folks,
>
> I have now finally become active again on some of the satellites with a
> handheld Arrow and my bulky but beloved Kenwood TS-790A.  See my QRZ page
> for picture of how I have it setup outside when I operate.  I am trying to
> put together a more permanent antenna system within my budget.  I have been
> rather surprised how much fade is apparent in some of the birds which
> responds usually to some degree by twisting the axis of the Arrow antenna.
> So, my question is as follows:
>
> Would you rather have:
>
> A)     The ability to switch polarization, presumably from RHCP to LHCP
> (or maybe even vertical to horizontal)? Unfortunately my research shows to
> date that this option is still rather expensive.  Any suggestions on how to
> achieve this on a modest budget would be appreciated.
>
>  OR
>
> B)     A reasonable preamp on both 2 meters and 70 cm?  (I have never
> worked with a preamp yet-though I have ordered the "Original Broadband
> Satellite RX Preamp? from the AMSAT store and plan on using that and
> switching it manually depending on what bird I am using into the receive
> side).
> For information, I will have about 70 feet of feedline.
>
> Assuming that one cannot have both.
> As usual, I really appreciate your time and input.
> Best,
> Fred-KF4FC
> Fishersville, VA
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>


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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 23:32:18 -0300
From: Pedro Converso
To: AMSAT
Subject: [amsat-bb] HO-68 CW Beacon heard
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

On orbit 33389 over Buenos Aires, on Nov-26 at 02:10z on 435.790 MHz
strong copy of HO-68 CW Beacon.

Just at that time, when HO-68 went dark, CW reception stopped.

Seems Sun is needed to operate, congrats to recovery team.

73, LU7ABF, Pedro


------------------------------

Message: 8
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 22:54:23 -0500
From: Scott
To: AMSAT
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] HO-68 CW Beacon heard
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

On the 00:47 UTC pass over the U.S., I copied 3 good CW transmissions, but
they were not complete telemetry sessions.  The signal did not fade, but
rather just stopped after a portion of the expected CW telemetry objects.

This pass was almost 3 hours past local sunset, but I don't know if that
would put the satellite in darkness or not.

I just put a Tweet up with pictures, the decoded CW, and a link to an audio
recording of the first of the three transmissions at:

https://twitter.com/scott23192/status/802357627212730368    (no Twitter
account required to view my post)

(if you listen to the audio recording, please note that the changes in tone
are not from the satellite, but rather doppler corrections occurring in my
tracking software)

-Scott,  K4KDR
Montpelier, VA  USA

================================================================


On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 9:32 PM, Pedro Converso  wrote:

> On orbit 33389 over Buenos Aires, on Nov-26 at 02:10z on 435.790 MHz
> strong copy of HO-68 CW Beacon.
>
> Just at that time, when HO-68 went dark, CW reception stopped.
>
> Seems Sun is needed to operate, congrats to recovery team.
>
> 73, LU7ABF, Pedro


------------------------------

Message: 9
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 01:06:18 -0300
From: Pedro Converso
To: Scott
Cc: AMSAT
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] HO-68 CW Beacon heard
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

Nice and strong signal and graph! Scott, thanks for sharing.

You can know if the satellite is sunlit or not in real time during pass.

Try http://amsat.org.ar/pass.htm clicking HO-68.

If it is sunlit a little Sun Icon will show top right close to the name.

If it is dark then the Sun Icon will not show.

This takes into account height of satellite and if sees Sun.

73, lu7abf, Pedro

On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 12:54 AM, Scott  wrote:
> On the 00:47 UTC pass over the U.S., I copied 3 good CW transmissions, but
> they were not complete telemetry sessions.  The signal did not fade, but
> rather just stopped after a portion of the expected CW telemetry objects.
>
> This pass was almost 3 hours past local sunset, but I don't know if that
> would put the satellite in darkness or not.
>
> I just put a Tweet up with pictures, the decoded CW, and a link to an audio
> recording of the first of the three transmissions at:
>
> https://twitter.com/scott23192/status/802357627212730368    (no Twitter
> account required to view my post)
>
> (if you listen to the audio recording, please note that the changes in tone
> are not from the satellite, but rather doppler corrections occurring in my
> tracking software)
>
> -Scott,  K4KDR
> Montpelier, VA  USA
>
> ================================================================
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 9:32 PM, Pedro Converso  wrote:
>
>> On orbit 33389 over Buenos Aires, on Nov-26 at 02:10z on 435.790 MHz
>> strong copy of HO-68 CW Beacon.
>>
>> Just at that time, when HO-68 went dark, CW reception stopped.
>>
>> Seems Sun is needed to operate, congrats to recovery team.
>>
>> 73, LU7ABF, Pedro
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb


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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 19:52:07 -0800
From: Clint Bradford
To: AMSAT BB
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Symposium
Message-ID:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Well - good evening to you, too, Pablo.

>> When's the last time you attended a symposium? Ummm, never?

I just love it when truly ignorant statements are made - as if the writer
knew anything about
what they are talking about.

I attended an AMSAT Symposium when it was in San Jose, CA. I also
accumulated one of the
 finest assemblage of raffle prizes AMSAT-NA has ever seen when I was prize
coordinator
for their symposium a couple years ago. Got a plaque signed by the AMSAT
prez for that effort.

I know exactly what a cruise costs. I know precisely what it costs to put on
events. I orchestrated
a city-wide event for Riverside, CA (population 300K) that had about 7,000
attendees. From parking
to logistics to communications to placing a repeater atop a local hill to
working with each and
every vendor - I know what it takes.

I also worked with the publicity director for a large regional newspaper. I
have also been involved
with several 501(c)(3) organizations with their fundraising and grant
writing projects.

I also orchestrated an ARISS contact for my City of Jurupa Valley - earning
FRONT PAGE WITH
COLOR PHOTOS coverage in California?s sixth-largest daily newspaper. Along
with NPR interviews,
coverage by other video outlets, video highlighted on the Bob Heil / Gordon
West Ham Nation
mediacast - I did it all for our students.

So you have no idea who I am or what I have done. Yet you spout your venom ...

A group in financial problems holding an annual event on a cruise. If you do
not see how horrible
that looks - from a public relations and marketing aspect - then you are
either naive or just plain
ignorant.

I acknowledged on the AMSAT-BB list that you made good points. You are
welcome.

How I am ?self-promoting? myself - actually ?promoting working the birds?
has proven effective. I am
approached monthly by conventions, groups, municipalities, clubs - to find
out more about working
the FM birds. In that aspect - ?spending the word? - I am tremendously
successful.

>> ? Barbed wire is not an effective material for constructing antennas ?

Tell that to the Boy Scouts who used that barbed wire antenna to speak to an
astronaut who was
aboard the ISS at the time.

YOU are just one of a handful that, apparently, just don?t get it. Working a
couple of the FM birds is
not something one needs to put a lot of money in to. Is using barbed wire
the same as spending $500+
and using an M2 2MCP28? Nope. DOES IT WORK FOR THIS? ABSOLUTELY.

>> ? you act like it should work for everyone in every situation ?

Bovine excrement. Can one make an effective 2M/440 antenna and work a bird
or three? Absolutely.

>> ? I'm thankful this season that you are not a professional educator in
any school system ?

Sorry to disappoint you - but I still volunteer for NASA and am earned my
registered ARRL instructor
position.

Clint Bradford K6LCS

PS By the way, I don?t see any posts from you suggesting tactics to ?save?
AMSAT-NA from its
current financial problems. At least a few of us are ? But not you ?



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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 20:14:53 -0800
From: Clint Bradford
To: AMSAT BB
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Symposium
Message-ID: <34577CA3-23F8-4B59-8592-C0F2F48293B3@xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

I sure hope you - the moderator of my posts here - allow this little
rebuttal to
the post from ?Pablo? that you allowed earlier today. My bottom line remains:
What can we all do to make AMSAT-NA survive.

???????????????????????????

Well - good evening to you, too, Pablo.

>> When's the last time you attended a symposium? Ummm, never?

I just love it when truly ignorant statements are made - as if the writer
knew anything about
what they are talking about.

I attended an AMSAT Symposium when it was in San Jose, CA. I also
accumulated one of the
finest assemblage of raffle prizes AMSAT-NA has ever seen when I was prize
coordinator
for their symposium a couple years ago. Got a plaque signed by the AMSAT
prez for that effort.

I know exactly what a cruise costs. I know precisely what it costs to put on
events. I orchestrated
a city-wide event for Riverside, CA (population 300K) that had about 7,000
attendees. From parking
to logistics to communications to placing a repeater atop a local hill to
working with each and
every vendor - I know what it takes.

I also worked with the publicity director for a large regional newspaper. I
have also been involved
with several 501(c)(3) organizations with their fundraising and grant
writing projects.

I also orchestrated an ARISS contact for my City of Jurupa Valley - earning
FRONT PAGE WITH
COLOR PHOTOS coverage in California?s sixth-largest daily newspaper. Along
with NPR interviews,
coverage by other video outlets, video highlighted on the Bob Heil / Gordon
West Ham Nation
mediacast - I did it all for our students.

So you have no idea who I am or what I have done. Yet you spout your venom ...

A group in financial problems holding an annual event on a cruise. If you do
not see how horrible
that looks - from a public relations and marketing aspect - then you are
either naive or just plain
ignorant.

I acknowledged on the AMSAT-BB list that you made good points. You are
welcome.

How I am ?self-promoting? myself - actually ?promoting working the birds?
has proven effective. I am
approached monthly by conventions, groups, municipalities, clubs - to find
out more about working
the FM birds. In that aspect - ?spending the word? - I am tremendously
successful.

>> ? Barbed wire is not an effective material for constructing antennas ?

Tell that to the Boy Scouts who used that barbed wire antenna to speak to an
astronaut who was
aboard the ISS at the time.

YOU are just one of a handful that, apparently, just don?t get it. Working a
couple of the FM birds is
not something one needs to put a lot of money in to. Is using barbed wire
the same as spending $500+
and using an M2 2MCP28? Nope. DOES IT WORK FOR THIS? ABSOLUTELY.

>> ? you act like it should work for everyone in every situation ?

Bovine excrement. Can one make an effective 2M/440 antenna and work a bird
or three? Absolutely.

>> ? I'm thankful this season that you are not a professional educator in
any school system ?

Sorry to disappoint you - but I still volunteer for NASA and am earned my
registered ARRL instructor
position.

Clint Bradford K6LCS

PS By the way, I don?t see any posts from you suggesting tactics to ?save?
AMSAT-NA from its
current financial problems. At least a few of us are ? But not you ?

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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 01:35:20 -0500
From: AJ9N@xxx.xxx
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2016-11-26
        07:00   UTC
Message-ID: <545d94.1ebd23f2.456a8728@xxx.xxx>
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Upcoming ARISS Contact Schedule as of 2016-11-26  07:00 UTC

Quick list of scheduled contacts and  events:

Private Salesian High School named of St. Dominic Savio,  Wroclaw, Poland,
telebridge via W6SRJ
The ISS callsign is presently scheduled  to be NA1SS
The scheduled astronaut is Shane Kimbrough KE5HOD
Contact was  successful: Fri 2016-11-25 11:12:47 UTC 65 deg (***)

Coll?ge Michel  Lotte, Le Palais, France, telebridge via LU1CGB
The ISS callsign is presently  scheduled to be NA1SS
The scheduled astronaut is Thomas Pesquet  KF5FYG
Contact is a go for: Mon 2016-11-28 10:38:06 UTC 74 deg

Watch for live audio stream:
http://radio-belleile.fr/contact-iss-michel-lotte-2016/  (sound only, the 
video will be recorded and available  later)


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**
ARISS  is always glad to receive listener reports for the above contacts.
ARISS  thanks everyone in advance for their assistance.  Feel free to send
your  reports to aj9n@xxxxx.xxx or aj9n@xxx.xxx.

Listen for the ISS on  the downlink of 145.8?  MHz.

****************************************************************************
***

All  ARISS contacts are made via the Kenwood radio unless otherwise  noted.

****************************************************************************
***

Several  of you have sent me emails asking about the RAC ARISS website and
not being  able to get in.  That has now been changed to
http://www.ariss.org/

Note that there are links to other ARISS  websites from this  site.

****************************************************************************
Looking  for something new to do?  How about receiving DATV from the  ISS?

If interested, then please go to the ARISS-EU website for  complete
details.  Look for the buttons indicating Ham  Video.


http://www.ariss-eu.org/

If you need some  assistance, ARISS mentor Kerry N6IZW, might be able to
provide some  insight.  Contact Kerry at  kbanke@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
****************************************************************************
ARISS  congratulations the following mentors who have now mentored over 100

schools:

Satoshi 7M3TJZ with 123
Gaston ON4WF with 121
Francesco IK?WGF with 118


****************************************************************************
The  webpages listed below were all reviewed for accuracy.  Out of date
webpages were removed and new ones have been added.  If there are
additional
ARISS websites I need to know about, please let me  know.

Note, all times are approximate.  It is recommended that you  do your own
orbital prediction or start listening about 10 minutes before  the listed
time.
All dates and  times listed follow International  Standard ISO 8601 date
and
time format  YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS

The  complete schedule page has been updated as of 2016-11-22 07:00 UTC.
(***)
Here you will find a listing of all scheduled school contacts, and
questions, other ISS related websites, IRLP and Echolink websites, and
instructions for any contact that may be streamed live.

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.txt

Total  number of ARISS ISS to earth school events is 1094. (***)
Each school counts  as 1 event.
Total number of ARISS ISS to earth school contacts is 1059.  (***)
Each contact may have multiple schools sharing the same time  slot.
Total number of ARISS supported terrestrial contacts is 47.

A  complete year by year breakdown of the contacts may be found in the
file.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/arissnews.rtf

Please  feel free to contact me if more detailed statistics are  needed.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The  following US states and entities have never had an ARISS contact:
Arkansas,  Delaware, South Dakota, Wyoming, American Samoa, Guam, Northern
Marianas  Islands, and the Virgin  Islands.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

QSL  information may be found at:
http://www.ariss.org/qsl-cards.html

ISS callsigns:  DP?ISS, IR?ISS, NA1SS, OR4ISS,  RS?ISS

****************************************************************************
The  successful school list has been updated as of 2016-11-18 08:00 UTC.
(***)

http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/Successful_ARISS_schools.rtf

Frequency   chart for packet, voice, and crossband repeater modes showing
Doppler   correction  as of 2005-07-29 04:00  UTC
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ISS_frequencies_and_Doppler_correction
.rtf

Listing  of ARISS related magazine articles as of 2006-07-10 03:30  UTC.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ariss/news/ARISS_magazine_articles.rtf

Check  out the Zoho reports of the ARISS  contacts

https://reports.zoho.com/ZDBDataSheetView.cc?DBID=412218000000020415
****************************************************************************
Exp.  49 on orbit
Shane Kimbrough KE5HOD
Andrei Borisenko
Sergey  Ryzhikov

****************************************************************************

73,
Charlie   Sufana AJ9N
One of the ARISS operation team mentors




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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 08:31:26 -0500
From: skristof@xxxxxxx.xxx
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Great White North Grid Expedition Schedule for
Saturday
Message-ID: <c771640f398d76c0dc16e850d85c7a85@xxxxxxx.xxx>
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You had a nice pile-up on SO-50 this morning, Ken. Thanks for doing the
expedition and thanks for the QSO!!

Steve AI9IN

EM79

On 2016-11-25 19:24, Ken Alexander wrote:

> Val-d'Or QC is colder and snowier than everywhere else I've been.  This is
where the grid activations are really going to be weather dependent.
>
> First of all, I'm afraid I have to sacrifice FN17.  It's in the wrong
direction and the distances are too great.  Tomorrow will be all about FN09,
FN18 and FN19.  To be efficient, I will try to operate from grid boundaries,
specifically FN18/FN19 and then FN09/FN19 a little later.  Hopefully, I can
park on the side of the highway without getting in the way.  If you look at
it on a map, the highway (Hwy 109 north from FN18at) connects civilization
with...well, very very little!  Traffic should be very light.
>
> I have a long drive to my next hotel tomorrow evening, so I am finishing
up with the AO-7's pass at 2021.  I hope I have this right...AO-7 will be in
Mode B tomorrow?  If not, there won't be much to do.
>
> SO-50 isn't positioned well.  The only opportunity we have tomorrow is at
1305.  I was hoping to do better for the FM-only ops.  That's just the way
it is.
>
> 26.11.2016 SO-50        13:05
> 26.11.2016  AO-73        14:06
> 26.11.2016  FO-29        15:14
> 26.11.2016  EO-79        15:39
> 26.11.2016  FO-29        17:00
> 26.11.2016  AO-07        18:28
> 26.11.2016  AO-85        18:49
> 26.11.2016  AO-07        20:21
>
> As always, keep following me on Twitter @xxxxxx for updates...although,
once I'm up there I'll be well out of cellphone range.
>
> 73,
>
> Ken
> VE3HLS
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 10:08:59 -0500
From: skristof@xxxxxxx.xxx
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] EO79 telemetry
Message-ID: <474dd339c06faa8eafc1a4fd0e5b2094@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

Can the FunCube Dashboard that decodes the AO73 telemetry also decode
the EO79 telemetry? I checked the AMSAT-UK website and didn't find an
answer, but I may not have looked in the right spot.

Steve AI9IN

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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 15:29:14 +0000
From: "Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK)" <amsat-bb@xxxxxx.xxx>
To: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Symposium
Message-ID:
<CAN6TEUc6noyrqHcLka56jW9VFxS49GDeiP+PfDicULeeg=XgZw@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

Mr. Bradford,

You are partially correct in your statement about the 2011 AMSAT
Symposium that was hosted in San Jose. You were involved in obtaining
prizes that were awarded during that Symposium, but you did not
attend that Symposium. I was there, enjoying what was for me the
second AMSAT Symposium held on the west coast, after attending
the 2006 Symposium that was hosted in Foster City CA, south of
SFO airport.

During the 2011 Symposium, Mr. Bradford contacted me with two
questions:

1. Did the prizes make it to the Symposium?

2. Was he recognized for his work in obtaining prizes?

I answered "yes" to both questions. There would have been no need
to contact me and ask these questions, had he attended the Symposium.

I quickly went through the photos I took during the 2011 Symposium,
where I had been taking photos of different people. Nothing
with Mr. Bradford. I also looked in the AMSAT-BB archives and the
archives of his own Yahoo! mailing list. No mention of being at
the Symposium while it was taking place, and nothing after the
Symposium referring to being there.

To use a quote of his from a recent post in another forum...

"Just for accuracy's sake."




Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK
http://www.wd9ewk.net/
Twitter: @xxxxxx




On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 3:52 AM, Clint Bradford <clintbradford@xxx.xxx>
wrote:

> Well - good evening to you, too, Pablo.
>
> >> When's the last time you attended a symposium? Ummm, never?
>
> I just love it when truly ignorant statements are made - as if the writer
> knew anything about
> what they are talking about.
>
> I attended an AMSAT Symposium when it was in San Jose, CA. I also
> accumulated one of the
>  finest assemblage of raffle prizes AMSAT-NA has ever seen when I was
> prize coordinator
> for their symposium a couple years ago. Got a plaque signed by the AMSAT
> prez for that effort.
>
>


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