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Today's Topics:
1. Call for pictures (Joe Fitzgerald)
2. Re: LVB Tracker Availability (Martha)
3. Tampa Bay Hamfest (Andrew Glasbrenner)
4. Re: AMSAT Symposium (Robert McGwier)
5. AMSAT and Volunteerism (Robert Bruninga)
6. VE3FRH SK (rsoifer1@xxx.xxxx
7. Re: AMSAT and Volunteerism (Norm n3ykf)
8. Re: Yaesu G-5500 Control Box Problem (Ray Hoad)
9. Re: AMSAT and Volunteerism (skristof@xxxxxxx.xxxx
10. Re: AMSAT and Volunteerism (Devin L. Ganger)
11. Big Gun Satellite Antennas - 2M / 70cm CP (Paul Andrews)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2016 21:32:48 -0500
From: Joe Fitzgerald <jfitzgerald@xxxx.xxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] Call for pictures
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In an effort to improve our web site, I'd like to get some pictures that
you might like to share. Send a note with what you have including
links to your photo sharing site to Webmaster@xxxxx.xxx.
Pictures of operating, kids days, the recent Symposium at Sea, building
hardware etc are all great.
73 de KM1P Joe
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 10:47:46 -0500
From: Martha <martha@xxxxx.xxx>
To: X3rdplanet@xxx.xxx
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] LVB Tracker Availability
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Hoping to receive a shipment within the next few weeks.
73- Martha
On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Dwight Fletcher via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> Does anyone know when LVB Trackers (complete) will once again become
> available.
>
> Thanks,
> Fletch
> N1RCN
> _______________________________________________
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73- Martha
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 10:59:43 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
From: Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: AMSAT-FL <amsat-florida@xxxxx.xxx>, amsat-bb <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Tampa Bay Hamfest
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Good morning all,
This Friday and Saturday is the Tampa Bay Hamfest in Plant City, Florida
(http://fgcarc.org/). AMSAT will have a booth with the latest in AMSAT swag,
including Getting Started on the Amateur Satellites book. We will have a
forum from 9 AM to 10 AM on Saturday morning, and we will be doing
demonstrations live on the air whenever possible, on both the FM and linear
transponder satellites. Look for KK4FEM, KO4MA, and maybe others, on the air.
If you are a current AMSAT member and plan on attending, drop me an email to
let me know if you can help out. We need help especially during the forum,
and during demonstration times.
Thanks, Drew KO4MA
AMSAT-NA VP Operations
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 16:04:20 +0000
From: Robert McGwier <rwmcgwier@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Ted <k7trkradio@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: pablomiel70@xxxxx.xxxx Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Symposium
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I personally believe that False News is damaging. It cannot be allowed to
go unanswered. In many eyes, silence is an admission of guilt. When
someone, says something about AMSAT that is false, I feel the officers of
AMSAT have a duty to respond publicly. As a mid-point between silence and
taking the individual to task, I would make it a public statement and
never mention the individual.
On the symposium, AMSAT did not pay for it. AMSAT paid for the board of
directors to go to Galveston and hold a board meeting in a hotel. It would
have done that no matter where we assembled. No board activities were held
on the ship. The symposium was attended by board, officers, members,
interested persons, and guests. Each of us paid for the cruise out of our
pockets. I certaintly did not ask AMSAT to pay for my drinks or my side
trip to Chichen Nitza. ?
The heated rhetoric and banter are not helpful and we should avoid them. I
learned that the hard way getting to be 63 years old.
73s
Bob
N4HY
On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 12:50 AM, Ted <k7trkradio@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> Excellent commentary, Pablo...
>
> Unfortunately, you took the bait, thus giving him another chance to toot
> his horn..
>
> Everyone knows what he is. Simply ignoring ANY of his posts is the way to
> deal with the problem.
>
> 73, K7TRK
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On Behalf Of
> pablomiel70--- via AMSAT-BB
> Sent: Friday, November 25, 2016 12:56 PM
> To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Symposium
>
> Clint Bragford K6LCS,
> Your posts amount to an epic fail. When AMSAT announced their 2016
> symposium would be on a ship, you immediately tried to sink it. You were
> shot down by numerous, well respected individuals who have something you
> haven't got -- humility. When's the last time you attended a symposium?
> Ummm, never? http://www.amsat.org/pipermail/amsat-bb/2016-
> January/056856.html http://www.amsat.org/pipermail/amsat-bb/2016-
> January/056858.htmlhttp://www.amsat.org/pipermail/amsat-bb/
> 2016-January/056859.html
> You have no idea what a symposium costs AMSAT. The meeting space, tea,
> coffee, etc. didn't cost AMSAT a dime on the cruise ship. Just because you
> don't like W5PFG, don't take it out on AMSAT. Your idiotic posts clearly
> demonstrate you can't tell the difference between a general meeting slide
> deck and the symposium event. You just have a bone to pick because someone
> out-did you, again. I like how you decided to bring the conversation to
> your personal domain (Yahoo Work-Scat) rather than publicly discuss on
> AMSAT's message forum, the AMSAT-BB. Petty and weak! While we are at it,
> why do you even care about AMSAT? A few months ago, you threatened them
> with legal action if they didn't "reign in" one of their most dedicated
> volunteers. That man, WD9EWK, happens to be one of the most generous and
> outspoken educators in the satellite community. You are not a team player
> and frankly I don't see why AMSAT didn't strip you of your "Area
> Coordinator" title sooner!
> Nobody cares about the "kudos" and "thank you" emails you supposedly get
> via email. Most of the time, you are talking to yourself on the
> self-promoting forum threads you scatter across the web. Intelligent people
> pick up on your silly auctions as a PR trick to get more website hits.
> Today you're promoting barbed wire antennas again on another forum. How
> silly? Barbed wire is not an effective material for constructing antennas.
> Because one guy did it as a novelty, you act like it should work for
> everyone in every situation.
> Face it, your advice sucks. Your frequency chart (which was wrong for a
> long time, BTW) is basically your one trick pony. Any videos of you working
> a satellite on YouTube demonstrate your novice skill level.
> I'm thankful this season that you are not a professional educator in any
> school system.
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to
> all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
> views of AMSAT-NA.
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> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
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--
Bob McGwier
Founder, Federated Wireless, Inc
Founder and Technical Advisor, HawkEye 360, Inc
Research Professor Virginia Tech
Chief Scientist: The Ted and Karyn Hume Center for National Security and
Technology
Senior Member IEEE, Facebook: N4HYBob, ARS: N4HY
Faculty Advisor Virginia Tech Amateur Radio Assn. (K4KDJ)
Director of AMSAT and member of PVRC, TAPR, and life member of ARRL and
AMSAT
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 11:58:56 -0500
From: Robert Bruninga <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>
To: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT and Volunteerism
Message-ID: <c64c4a379eb9346f31227cf232f85d99@xxxx.xxxxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Friend speaks my mind.
And Criticism -never- achieves anything in Amateur Radio or other Volunteer
organizations. It accomplishes -nothing- but rile up everyone in
frustration.
Please learn, the way to change things is to get involved and DO SOMETHING,
LEAD in another direction. Make progress. Contribute. And "contribute"
does not mean kibitzing and complaining and standing in the way. That
accomplishes nothing in volunteer organizations and is not what is meant by
"get involved"...
Watching every ham radio club, and church or other volunteer organization
over my 55 years of Ham radio, it is abundantly clear. Things only happen
by volunteer individuals taking personal initiative and trying to move or
lead towards progress. (usually despite a chorus of complainers and ankle
biters)..
If one is not leading, or if no one is following you, please, get out of the
way and support those who are going in a direction you can be comfortable
with. Shooting everyone in front of you in-the-back does not help progress.
My 2 cents. Bob, WB4APR
-----Original Message-----
From: On Behalf Of Robert McGwier
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Symposium
I personally believe that False News is damaging. It cannot be allowed to
go unanswered. In many eyes, silence is an admission of guilt. When
someone, says something about AMSAT that is false, I feel the officers of
AMSAT have a duty to respond publicly. As a mid-point between silence and
taking the individual to task, I would make it a public statement and never
mention the individual.
On the symposium, AMSAT did not pay for it. AMSAT paid for the board of
directors to go to Galveston and hold a board meeting in a hotel. It would
have done that no matter where we assembled. No board activities were held
on the ship. The symposium was attended by board, officers, members,
interested persons, and guests. Each of us paid for the cruise out of our
pockets. I certaintly did not ask AMSAT to pay for my drinks or my side
trip to Chichen Nitza. ?
The heated rhetoric and banter are not helpful and we should avoid them. I
learned that the hard way getting to be 63 years old.
73s
Bob
N4HY
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 12:50:44 -0500
From: rsoifer1@xxx.xxx
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] VE3FRH SK
Message-ID: <158d01bfa19-5842-79e3@xxxxxxxxxx.xxxx.xxx.xxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Sorry to learn of Robin's untimely passing. I was executive vice president
when he was president, which also entailed my being acting president during
the loss and subsequent partial recovery of AO -40. He and I didn't always
agree, but I was in a position to see the many ways in which AMSAT benefited
from his wisdom and strong leadership. He was instrumental in building the
close relationship that now exists between AMSAT and IARU, as well as in
guiding the organization through the difficult times that followed AO-40.
AMSAT, and amateur radio, are better off because of Robin's presence among us.
R.I.P., old friend.
73 Ray W2RS
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 13:24:53 -0500
From: Norm n3ykf <normanlizeth@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Robert Bruninga <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>
Cc: "<,amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxxxxxx <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT and Volunteerism
Message-ID:
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Elimination of dissent guarantees uniformity of direction and thought.
Those two qualities are not characteristics of healthy organizations
with long term stability.
Cool aid anyone?
On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Robert Bruninga <bruninga@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
> Friend speaks my mind.
>
> And Criticism -never- achieves anything in Amateur Radio or other Volunteer
> organizations. It accomplishes -nothing- but rile up everyone in
> frustration.
>
> Please learn, the way to change things is to get involved and DO SOMETHING,
> LEAD in another direction. Make progress. Contribute. And "contribute"
> does not mean kibitzing and complaining and standing in the way. That
> accomplishes nothing in volunteer organizations and is not what is meant by
> "get involved"...
>
> Watching every ham radio club, and church or other volunteer organization
> over my 55 years of Ham radio, it is abundantly clear. Things only happen
> by volunteer individuals taking personal initiative and trying to move or
> lead towards progress. (usually despite a chorus of complainers and ankle
> biters)..
>
> If one is not leading, or if no one is following you, please, get out of the
> way and support those who are going in a direction you can be comfortable
> with. Shooting everyone in front of you in-the-back does not help progress.
>
> My 2 cents. Bob, WB4APR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: On Behalf Of Robert McGwier
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Symposium
>
> I personally believe that False News is damaging. It cannot be allowed to
> go unanswered. In many eyes, silence is an admission of guilt. When
> someone, says something about AMSAT that is false, I feel the officers of
> AMSAT have a duty to respond publicly. As a mid-point between silence and
> taking the individual to task, I would make it a public statement and never
> mention the individual.
>
> On the symposium, AMSAT did not pay for it. AMSAT paid for the board of
> directors to go to Galveston and hold a board meeting in a hotel. It would
> have done that no matter where we assembled. No board activities were held
> on the ship. The symposium was attended by board, officers, members,
> interested persons, and guests. Each of us paid for the cruise out of our
> pockets. I certaintly did not ask AMSAT to pay for my drinks or my side
> trip to Chichen Nitza. ?
>
> The heated rhetoric and banter are not helpful and we should avoid them. I
> learned that the hard way getting to be 63 years old.
>
> 73s
> Bob
> N4HY
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 10:41:55 -0600
From: "Ray Hoad" <ray.hoad@xxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: "'amsat-bb'" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Yaesu G-5500 Control Box Problem
Message-ID: <000d01d24f16$7dee9bf0$79cbd3d0$@xxxxxxxx.xxx>
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If the needles go to minimum scale (0 deg for elevation and 180 deg for
azimuth on my G 5400B), then the connection to the rotor is broken. To get
both to go to zero, the ground return has to be separated from the rotator.
Otherwise, Norm has the best analysis.
Raymond Hoad
WA5QGD
-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On Behalf Of Norm n3ykf
Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 18:06
To: Rafael Pena <pinoleronica@xxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Yaesu G-5500 Control Box Problem
The tracker reads voltages produced inside the controller that are
identical to those seen at the input terminals on the back of the
control box. I.E. pot voltages from the rotators.
If the tracker works but the meters do not, the opamps that drive the
meters have trouble. Since it's both, I suspect that the opamps are on
one chip. Either the chip is bad or a rail (+v or gnd) is open.
My g5400 control box blew fuses when unconnected to rotators. Removed
the covers to do gross level troubleshooting. Boards are stacked and
wired together with harnesses. Splitting the unit to repair is not my
idea of fun. Tag the wires. Splice in test jumpers..... Here be
dragons.
Norm n3ykf
On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 6:20 PM, Rafael Pena <pinoleronica@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> No, none.
>
> The rotor works while using SatPC32 and the LVB tracker?maybe I used it
for more than 5 minutes per the doc?
>
> From: Stefan Wagener [mailto:wageners@xxxxx.xxxx
> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 5:49 PM
> To: Rafael Pena <pinoleronica@xxxxxxx.xxx>
> Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Yaesu G-5500 Control Box Problem
>
> Any loose cables in the back of the control box?
>
> Stefan
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 4:46 PM, Rafael Pena
<pinoleronica@xxxxxxx.xxx<xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.xxx>> wrote:
> ...and suddently, the analogue display of the Yaesu G-5500 (Elev /
Azim)...I mean the needles stopped moving. Neither the Elevation nor the
Azimuth needles are moving at all but the rotor is working when tracking
with SatPC32 / LVB.
>
> Any hints on repairs are / will be appreciated.
>
> Who repairs this control boxes?
>
> Thanks
>
> Rafael / NN3RP
>
>
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_______________________________________________
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expressed
are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2016 14:07:15 -0500
From: skristof@xxxxxxx.xxx
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT and Volunteerism
Message-ID: <cd52947efd066f2148d00686593abace@xxxxxxx.xxx>
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Neither Bob is saying anything about stifling dissent. I believe the
point is that, if you don't like the way an organization is moving, then
do more than just complain about it. Volunteer to actually do something
that results in progress.
Steve AI9IN
On 2016-12-05 13:24, Norm n3ykf wrote:
> Elimination of dissent guarantees uniformity of direction and thought.
> Those two qualities are not characteristics of healthy organizations
> with long term stability.
>
> Cool aid anyone?
>
> On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Robert Bruninga <bruninga@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
>> Friend speaks my mind.
>>
>> And Criticism -never- achieves anything in Amateur Radio or other Volunteer
>> organizations. It accomplishes -nothing- but rile up everyone in
>> frustration.
>>
>> Please learn, the way to change things is to get involved and DO SOMETHING,
>> LEAD in another direction. Make progress. Contribute. And "contribute"
>> does not mean kibitzing and complaining and standing in the way. That
>> accomplishes nothing in volunteer organizations and is not what is meant by
>> "get involved"...
>>
>> Watching every ham radio club, and church or other volunteer organization
>> over my 55 years of Ham radio, it is abundantly clear. Things only happen
>> by volunteer individuals taking personal initiative and trying to move or
>> lead towards progress. (usually despite a chorus of complainers and ankle
>> biters)..
>>
>> If one is not leading, or if no one is following you, please, get out of
the
>> way and support those who are going in a direction you can be comfortable
>> with. Shooting everyone in front of you in-the-back does not help progress.
>>
>> My 2 cents. Bob, WB4APR
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: On Behalf Of Robert McGwier
>> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Symposium
>>
>> I personally believe that False News is damaging. It cannot be allowed to
>> go unanswered. In many eyes, silence is an admission of guilt. When
>> someone, says something about AMSAT that is false, I feel the officers of
>> AMSAT have a duty to respond publicly. As a mid-point between silence and
>> taking the individual to task, I would make it a public statement and
never
>> mention the individual.
>>
>> On the symposium, AMSAT did not pay for it. AMSAT paid for the board of
>> directors to go to Galveston and hold a board meeting in a hotel. It would
>> have done that no matter where we assembled. No board activities were held
>> on the ship. The symposium was attended by board, officers, members,
>> interested persons, and guests. Each of us paid for the cruise out of our
>> pockets. I certaintly did not ask AMSAT to pay for my drinks or my side
>> trip to Chichen Nitza. ?
>>
>> The heated rhetoric and banter are not helpful and we should avoid them. I
>> learned that the hard way getting to be 63 years old.
>>
>> 73s
>> Bob
>> N4HY
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
Opinions expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 18:31:32 +0000
From: "Devin L. Ganger" <devin@xxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: Robert Bruninga <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>, "AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxxx
<AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT and Volunteerism
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There's a difference between criticism and constructive criticism, AKA
feedback.
All of the successful organizations I've been with (commercial and
volunteer) had regular post-mortems and feedback loops. Doing so properly
means the gathering of feedback is part of the after-action, and that the
feedback is solicited AND welcome, appropriately scoped, and most
importantly, focused on the "WHAT did/didn't work, WHAT problems did it
solve/create, HOW do we continue/fix it" aspects and not the personalities
or politics.
--
Devin L. Ganger (WA7DLG)
email:?devin@xxxxxxxx.xxx
web:?Devin on Earth
cell:?+1 425.239.2575
-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On Behalf Of Robert
Bruninga
Sent: Monday, December 5, 2016 8:59 AM
To: AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT and Volunteerism
Friend speaks my mind.
And Criticism -never- achieves anything in Amateur Radio or other Volunteer
organizations. It accomplishes -nothing- but rile up everyone in frustration.
Please learn, the way to change things is to get involved and DO SOMETHING,
LEAD in another direction. Make progress. Contribute. And "contribute"
does not mean kibitzing and complaining and standing in the way. That
accomplishes nothing in volunteer organizations and is not what is meant by
"get involved"...
Watching every ham radio club, and church or other volunteer organization
over my 55 years of Ham radio, it is abundantly clear. Things only happen
by volunteer individuals taking personal initiative and trying to move or
lead towards progress. (usually despite a chorus of complainers and ankle
biters)..
If one is not leading, or if no one is following you, please, get out of the
way and support those who are going in a direction you can be comfortable
with. Shooting everyone in front of you in-the-back does not help progress.
My 2 cents. Bob, WB4APR
-----Original Message-----
From: On Behalf Of Robert McGwier
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Symposium
I personally believe that False News is damaging. It cannot be allowed to
go unanswered. In many eyes, silence is an admission of guilt. When
someone, says something about AMSAT that is false, I feel the officers of
AMSAT have a duty to respond publicly. As a mid-point between silence and
taking the individual to task, I would make it a public statement and never
mention the individual.
On the symposium, AMSAT did not pay for it. AMSAT paid for the board of
directors to go to Galveston and hold a board meeting in a hotel. It would
have done that no matter where we assembled. No board activities were held
on the ship. The symposium was attended by board, officers, members,
interested persons, and guests. Each of us paid for the cruise out of our
pockets. I certaintly did not ask AMSAT to pay for my drinks or my side
trip to Chichen Nitza. ?
The heated rhetoric and banter are not helpful and we should avoid them. I
learned that the hard way getting to be 63 years old.
73s
Bob
N4HY
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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 15:25:40 -0500
From: Paul Andrews <w2hro.fn20@xxxxx.xxx>
To: rsoifer1--- via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Big Gun Satellite Antennas - 2M / 70cm CP
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