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Today's Topics:
1. Best HT for satellite operation? (Dale Kubichek)
2. Re: Best HT for satellite operation? (Paul Stoetzer)
3. Re: Best HT for satellite operation? (EC4TR Luis)
4. best Ht for satellites (ingejack@xxx.xxxx
5. Re: Best HT for satellite operation? (Dave Webb KB1PVH)
6. Re: best Ht for satellites (Paul Stoetzer)
7. Re: Best HT for satellite operation? (Matthew Stevens)
8. Re: Best HT for satellite operation? (Gabriel Zeifman)
9. Re: Best HT for satellite operation? (Tucker McGuire)
10. Re: Best HT for satellite operation? (Skyler F)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 23:25:21 +0000 (UTC)
From: Dale Kubichek <n6jsx@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Best HT for satellite operation?
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 14:17:14 -0500
From: Tucker McGuire <tucker@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Best HT for satellite operation??This is a loaded
questions and every HAM I've ever met has opinions...
It is better to ask what HT's fit SAT OPs functionality:
Everyone wants 'full duplex', I've not seen a dual-band HT that can do
'real' RX while the PTT is pushed, period!
Nest shoot for - What dual-band HT can program SAT offsets (in the SAME
single memory)??
My definition: in one memory can program both 2m-RX AND 70cm-PTT or
vice-versa.
Why: you only need say 4 or 5 memories per SAT for AOS/LOS OPs - one less
hand needed and far less hassle.? I know Yaesu and Wuoxon can do this via PC
Program. Kwood TH-F6, Icom IC-91/T8, Alinco G7 cannot they can do it only
via flipping the A/B Bands (pain in the butt) - they do not allow cross band
offsets in memory.?
Now another BAD issue with Yeasu & Wuoxun is they both have a high discharge
rate of battery when in the OFF state. I found if I leave my HT's on the
shelf for +60days I must isolate the battery for the radio to eliminate
wasteful discharging dropp[ing a B-Meter bar. I do this by using a 'paper'
business-card cut it to size, sandwich between the battery and HT -
isolating the battery contacts. Easy, simple, effective, cheap - what HAM
Radio is all about.?
Best regards,??
Dale Kubichek, MS-EET, N6JSX
Sidney, OH 45365? EN70vh
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HAM-SATs
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RDF-USA
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2017 23:45:33 +0000
From: Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@xxxx.xxx>
To: Dale Kubichek <N6JSX@xxxxx.xxx>, "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Best HT for satellite operation?
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You are simply wrong. The Kenwood TH-D72, D7, D7(G) as well as the Yaesu
FT-470 and FT-530 all are excellent full-duplex HTs with no desense.
It appears you are suggesting that people operate half-duplex. That can
work somewhat, but is definitely not something I would ever recommend.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 18:25 Dale Kubichek via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
wrote:
> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 14:17:14 -0500
> From: Tucker McGuire <tucker@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
> To: Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
> Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Best HT for satellite operation? This is a loaded
> questions and every HAM I've ever met has opinions...
> It is better to ask what HT's fit SAT OPs functionality:
>
> Everyone wants 'full duplex', I've not seen a dual-band HT that can do
> 'real' RX while the PTT is pushed, period!
>
> Nest shoot for - What dual-band HT can program SAT offsets (in the SAME
> single memory)?
> My definition: in one memory can program both 2m-RX AND 70cm-PTT or
> vice-versa.
> Why: you only need say 4 or 5 memories per SAT for AOS/LOS OPs - one less
> hand needed and far less hassle. I know Yaesu and Wuoxon can do this via
> PC Program. Kwood TH-F6, Icom IC-91/T8, Alinco G7 cannot they can do it
> only via flipping the A/B Bands (pain in the butt) - they do not allow
> cross band offsets in memory.
>
> Now another BAD issue with Yeasu & Wuoxun is they both have a high
> discharge rate of battery when in the OFF state. I found if I leave my HT's
> on the shelf for +60days I must isolate the battery for the radio to
> eliminate wasteful discharging dropp[ing a B-Meter bar. I do this by using
> a 'paper' business-card cut it to size, sandwich between the battery and HT
> - isolating the battery contacts. Easy, simple, effective, cheap - what HAM
> Radio is all about.
>
> Best regards,
> Dale Kubichek, MS-EET, N6JSX
> Sidney, OH 45365 EN70vh
>
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HAM-SATs
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RDF-USA
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 00:49:03 +0100
From: EC4TR Luis <ec4tr.luis@xxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Best HT for satellite operation?
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Dear friends
Do not forget the yaesu FT-51R, works perfect in full duplex mode.
73 de Luis
EC4TR
El 10/03/2017 a las 0:45, Paul Stoetzer escribi?:
> You are simply wrong. The Kenwood TH-D72, D7, D7(G) as well as the Yaesu
> FT-470 and FT-530 all are excellent full-duplex HTs with no desense.
>
> It appears you are suggesting that people operate half-duplex. That can
> work somewhat, but is definitely not something I would ever recommend.
>
> 73,
>
> Paul, N8HM
>
> On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 18:25 Dale Kubichek via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> wrote:
>
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 14:17:14 -0500
>> From: Tucker McGuire <tucker@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
>> To: Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
>> Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
>> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Best HT for satellite operation? This is a loaded
>> questions and every HAM I've ever met has opinions...
>> It is better to ask what HT's fit SAT OPs functionality:
>>
>> Everyone wants 'full duplex', I've not seen a dual-band HT that can do
>> 'real' RX while the PTT is pushed, period!
>>
>> Nest shoot for - What dual-band HT can program SAT offsets (in the SAME
>> single memory)?
>> My definition: in one memory can program both 2m-RX AND 70cm-PTT or
>> vice-versa.
>> Why: you only need say 4 or 5 memories per SAT for AOS/LOS OPs - one less
>> hand needed and far less hassle. I know Yaesu and Wuoxon can do this via
>> PC Program. Kwood TH-F6, Icom IC-91/T8, Alinco G7 cannot they can do it
>> only via flipping the A/B Bands (pain in the butt) - they do not allow
>> cross band offsets in memory.
>>
>> Now another BAD issue with Yeasu & Wuoxun is they both have a high
>> discharge rate of battery when in the OFF state. I found if I leave my HT's
>> on the shelf for +60days I must isolate the battery for the radio to
>> eliminate wasteful discharging dropp[ing a B-Meter bar. I do this by using
>> a 'paper' business-card cut it to size, sandwich between the battery and HT
>> - isolating the battery contacts. Easy, simple, effective, cheap - what HAM
>> Radio is all about.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Dale Kubichek, MS-EET, N6JSX
>> Sidney, OH 45365 EN70vh
>>
>>
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HAM-SATs
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RDF-USA
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
>> expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>> AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 16:49:16 -0700
From: <ingejack@xxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] best Ht for satellites
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Hey Guys: Don't forget the old ICOM IC W32A Also Full duplex 73 JACK-KC7MG
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 18:49:52 -0500
From: Dave Webb KB1PVH <kb1pvh@xxxxx.xxx>
To: AMSAT -BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Best HT for satellite operation?
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Kuby,
When was the last time you were on the satellites? I had a Yaesu FT-51R
that was full duplex. I could transmit and hear the downlink of the
satellite simultaneously. The Kenwood D72 and the D7 also do it, or are you
going to toss some engineering stuff at us to say it's not so?
Dave-KB1PVH
Sent from my Galaxy S7
On Mar 9, 2017 6:25 PM, "Dale Kubichek via AMSAT-BB" <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
wrote:
Message: 10
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 14:17:14 -0500
From: Tucker McGuire <tucker@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Best HT for satellite operation? This is a loaded
questions and every HAM I've ever met has opinions...
It is better to ask what HT's fit SAT OPs functionality:
Everyone wants 'full duplex', I've not seen a dual-band HT that can do
'real' RX while the PTT is pushed, period!
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2017 23:51:33 +0000
From: Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@xxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx ingejack@xxx.xxx
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] best Ht for satellites
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The tricky thing with the W32A is that newer models of it desensed in Mode
J.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 18:49 <ingejack@xxx.xxx> wrote:
> Hey Guys: Don't forget the old ICOM IC W32A Also Full duplex 73
> JACK-KC7MG
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 18:54:43 -0500
From: Matthew Stevens <matthew@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Best HT for satellite operation?
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Um. My D72 receiver works great while I'm transmitting.. no desense. I use
it nearly every day for FM passes.
- Matthew? KK4FEM?
On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 6:25 PM, Dale Kubichek via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 14:17:14 -0500
> From: Tucker McGuire <tucker@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
> To: Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
> Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Best HT for satellite operation? This is a loaded
> questions and every HAM I've ever met has opinions...
> It is better to ask what HT's fit SAT OPs functionality:
>
> Everyone wants 'full duplex', I've not seen a dual-band HT that can do
> 'real' RX while the PTT is pushed, period!
>
> Nest shoot for - What dual-band HT can program SAT offsets (in the SAME
> single memory)?
> My definition: in one memory can program both 2m-RX AND 70cm-PTT or
> vice-versa.
> Why: you only need say 4 or 5 memories per SAT for AOS/LOS OPs - one less
> hand needed and far less hassle. I know Yaesu and Wuoxon can do this via
> PC Program. Kwood TH-F6, Icom IC-91/T8, Alinco G7 cannot they can do it
> only via flipping the A/B Bands (pain in the butt) - they do not allow
> cross band offsets in memory.
>
> Now another BAD issue with Yeasu & Wuoxun is they both have a high
> discharge rate of battery when in the OFF state. I found if I leave my HT's
> on the shelf for +60days I must isolate the battery for the radio to
> eliminate wasteful discharging dropp[ing a B-Meter bar. I do this by using
> a 'paper' business-card cut it to size, sandwich between the battery and HT
> - isolating the battery contacts. Easy, simple, effective, cheap - what HAM
> Radio is all about.
>
> Best regards,
> Dale Kubichek, MS-EET, N6JSX
> Sidney, OH 45365 EN70vh
>
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HAM-SATs
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RDF-USA
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 17:55:07 -0600
From: Gabriel Zeifman <gabrielzeifman@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>, Dale Kubichek
<N6JSX@xxxxx.xxx>, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@xxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Best HT for satellite operation?
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Even the $30 Baofengs support cross-band memories for sat operations. That's
how I started, but as Paul said, half-duplex on FM should not be condoned
now, especially as our FM birds get more and more crowded and it becomes
just an additional source of QRM.
I've been very happy with my D72A. Packet is a nice feature to have to work
ISS and NO-84.
73,
Gabe
NJ7H
> On Mar 9, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> You are simply wrong. The Kenwood TH-D72, D7, D7(G) as well as the Yaesu
> FT-470 and FT-530 all are excellent full-duplex HTs with no desense.
>
> It appears you are suggesting that people operate half-duplex. That can
> work somewhat, but is definitely not something I would ever recommend.
>
> 73,
>
> Paul, N8HM
>
> On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 18:25 Dale Kubichek via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> wrote:
>
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 14:17:14 -0500
>> From: Tucker McGuire <tucker@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
>> To: Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
>> Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
>> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Best HT for satellite operation? This is a loaded
>> questions and every HAM I've ever met has opinions...
>> It is better to ask what HT's fit SAT OPs functionality:
>>
>> Everyone wants 'full duplex', I've not seen a dual-band HT that can do
>> 'real' RX while the PTT is pushed, period!
>>
>> Nest shoot for - What dual-band HT can program SAT offsets (in the SAME
>> single memory)?
>> My definition: in one memory can program both 2m-RX AND 70cm-PTT or
>> vice-versa.
>> Why: you only need say 4 or 5 memories per SAT for AOS/LOS OPs - one less
>> hand needed and far less hassle. I know Yaesu and Wuoxon can do this via
>> PC Program. Kwood TH-F6, Icom IC-91/T8, Alinco G7 cannot they can do it
>> only via flipping the A/B Bands (pain in the butt) - they do not allow
>> cross band offsets in memory.
>>
>> Now another BAD issue with Yeasu & Wuoxun is they both have a high
>> discharge rate of battery when in the OFF state. I found if I leave my HT's
>> on the shelf for +60days I must isolate the battery for the radio to
>> eliminate wasteful discharging dropp[ing a B-Meter bar. I do this by using
>> a 'paper' business-card cut it to size, sandwich between the battery and HT
>> - isolating the battery contacts. Easy, simple, effective, cheap - what HAM
>> Radio is all about.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Dale Kubichek, MS-EET, N6JSX
>> Sidney, OH 45365 EN70vh
>>
>>
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HAM-SATs
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RDF-USA
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
>> expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>> AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
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> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Sent from my iPad
> On Mar 9, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> You are simply wrong. The Kenwood TH-D72, D7, D7(G) as well as the Yaesu
> FT-470 and FT-530 all are excellent full-duplex HTs with no desense.
>
> It appears you are suggesting that people operate half-duplex. That can
> work somewhat, but is definitely not something I would ever recommend.
>
> 73,
>
> Paul, N8HM
>
> On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 18:25 Dale Kubichek via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> wrote:
>
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 14:17:14 -0500
>> From: Tucker McGuire <tucker@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
>> To: Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
>> Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
>> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Best HT for satellite operation? This is a loaded
>> questions and every HAM I've ever met has opinions...
>> It is better to ask what HT's fit SAT OPs functionality:
>>
>> Everyone wants 'full duplex', I've not seen a dual-band HT that can do
>> 'real' RX while the PTT is pushed, period!
>>
>> Nest shoot for - What dual-band HT can program SAT offsets (in the SAME
>> single memory)?
>> My definition: in one memory can program both 2m-RX AND 70cm-PTT or
>> vice-versa.
>> Why: you only need say 4 or 5 memories per SAT for AOS/LOS OPs - one less
>> hand needed and far less hassle. I know Yaesu and Wuoxon can do this via
>> PC Program. Kwood TH-F6, Icom IC-91/T8, Alinco G7 cannot they can do it
>> only via flipping the A/B Bands (pain in the butt) - they do not allow
>> cross band offsets in memory.
>>
>> Now another BAD issue with Yeasu & Wuoxun is they both have a high
>> discharge rate of battery when in the OFF state. I found if I leave my HT's
>> on the shelf for +60days I must isolate the battery for the radio to
>> eliminate wasteful discharging dropp[ing a B-Meter bar. I do this by using
>> a 'paper' business-card cut it to size, sandwich between the battery and HT
>> - isolating the battery contacts. Easy, simple, effective, cheap - what HAM
>> Radio is all about.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Dale Kubichek, MS-EET, N6JSX
>> Sidney, OH 45365 EN70vh
>>
>>
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HAM-SATs
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RDF-USA
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
>> expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>> AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 19:00:31 -0500
From: Tucker McGuire <tucker@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: Gabriel Zeifman <gabrielzeifman@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: Dale Kubichek <N6JSX@xxxxx.xxx>, amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxxxxxxx Stoetzer
<n8hm@xxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Best HT for satellite operation?
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My FT-530 most certainly does true full duplex on mode B and mode J. You
must be misinformed on the features of these HT's.
Cheers & 73,
Tucker
W4FS
On Mar 9, 2017 6:55 PM, "Gabriel Zeifman" <gabrielzeifman@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
Even the $30 Baofengs support cross-band memories for sat operations.
That's how I started, but as Paul said, half-duplex on FM should not be
condoned now, especially as our FM birds get more and more crowded and it
becomes just an additional source of QRM.
I've been very happy with my D72A. Packet is a nice feature to have to work
ISS and NO-84.
73,
Gabe
NJ7H
> On Mar 9, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> You are simply wrong. The Kenwood TH-D72, D7, D7(G) as well as the Yaesu
> FT-470 and FT-530 all are excellent full-duplex HTs with no desense.
>
> It appears you are suggesting that people operate half-duplex. That can
> work somewhat, but is definitely not something I would ever recommend.
>
> 73,
>
> Paul, N8HM
>
> On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 18:25 Dale Kubichek via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> wrote:
>
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 14:17:14 -0500
>> From: Tucker McGuire <tucker@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
>> To: Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
>> Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
>> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Best HT for satellite operation? This is a loaded
>> questions and every HAM I've ever met has opinions...
>> It is better to ask what HT's fit SAT OPs functionality:
>>
>> Everyone wants 'full duplex', I've not seen a dual-band HT that can do
>> 'real' RX while the PTT is pushed, period!
>>
>> Nest shoot for - What dual-band HT can program SAT offsets (in the SAME
>> single memory)?
>> My definition: in one memory can program both 2m-RX AND 70cm-PTT or
>> vice-versa.
>> Why: you only need say 4 or 5 memories per SAT for AOS/LOS OPs - one less
>> hand needed and far less hassle. I know Yaesu and Wuoxon can do this via
>> PC Program. Kwood TH-F6, Icom IC-91/T8, Alinco G7 cannot they can do it
>> only via flipping the A/B Bands (pain in the butt) - they do not allow
>> cross band offsets in memory.
>>
>> Now another BAD issue with Yeasu & Wuoxun is they both have a high
>> discharge rate of battery when in the OFF state. I found if I leave my
HT's
>> on the shelf for +60days I must isolate the battery for the radio to
>> eliminate wasteful discharging dropp[ing a B-Meter bar. I do this by
using
>> a 'paper' business-card cut it to size, sandwich between the battery and
HT
>> - isolating the battery contacts. Easy, simple, effective, cheap - what
HAM
>> Radio is all about.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Dale Kubichek, MS-EET, N6JSX
>> Sidney, OH 45365 EN70vh
>>
>>
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HAM-SATs
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RDF-USA
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> On Mar 9, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> You are simply wrong. The Kenwood TH-D72, D7, D7(G) as well as the Yaesu
> FT-470 and FT-530 all are excellent full-duplex HTs with no desense.
>
> It appears you are suggesting that people operate half-duplex. That can
> work somewhat, but is definitely not something I would ever recommend.
>
> 73,
>
> Paul, N8HM
>
> On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 18:25 Dale Kubichek via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> wrote:
>
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 14:17:14 -0500
>> From: Tucker McGuire <tucker@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
>> To: Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
>> Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
>> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Best HT for satellite operation? This is a loaded
>> questions and every HAM I've ever met has opinions...
>> It is better to ask what HT's fit SAT OPs functionality:
>>
>> Everyone wants 'full duplex', I've not seen a dual-band HT that can do
>> 'real' RX while the PTT is pushed, period!
>>
>> Nest shoot for - What dual-band HT can program SAT offsets (in the SAME
>> single memory)?
>> My definition: in one memory can program both 2m-RX AND 70cm-PTT or
>> vice-versa.
>> Why: you only need say 4 or 5 memories per SAT for AOS/LOS OPs - one less
>> hand needed and far less hassle. I know Yaesu and Wuoxon can do this via
>> PC Program. Kwood TH-F6, Icom IC-91/T8, Alinco G7 cannot they can do it
>> only via flipping the A/B Bands (pain in the butt) - they do not allow
>> cross band offsets in memory.
>>
>> Now another BAD issue with Yeasu & Wuoxun is they both have a high
>> discharge rate of battery when in the OFF state. I found if I leave my
HT's
>> on the shelf for +60days I must isolate the battery for the radio to
>> eliminate wasteful discharging dropp[ing a B-Meter bar. I do this by
using
>> a 'paper' business-card cut it to size, sandwich between the battery and
HT
>> - isolating the battery contacts. Easy, simple, effective, cheap - what
HAM
>> Radio is all about.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Dale Kubichek, MS-EET, N6JSX
>> Sidney, OH 45365 EN70vh
>>
>>
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HAM-SATs
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RDF-USA
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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 18:07:27 -0700
From: Skyler F <electricity440@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Best HT for satellite operation?
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I find it annoying that lots of the American HT's don't support cross-band
channels. For sure, not the new Icoms, don't think the TH-F6, but all
Chinese radios I have played with will do split band channels.
On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 5:00 PM, Tucker McGuire <tucker@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
wrote:
> My FT-530 most certainly does true full duplex on mode B and mode J. You
> must be misinformed on the features of these HT's.
>
> Cheers & 73,
> Tucker
> W4FS
>
>
>
> On Mar 9, 2017 6:55 PM, "Gabriel Zeifman" <gabrielzeifman@xxxxx.xxx>
> wrote:
>
> Even the $30 Baofengs support cross-band memories for sat operations.
> That's how I started, but as Paul said, half-duplex on FM should not be
> condoned now, especially as our FM birds get more and more crowded and it
> becomes just an additional source of QRM.
>
> I've been very happy with my D72A. Packet is a nice feature to have to work
> ISS and NO-84.
>
> 73,
> Gabe
> NJ7H
>
> > On Mar 9, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
> >
> > You are simply wrong. The Kenwood TH-D72, D7, D7(G) as well as the Yaesu
> > FT-470 and FT-530 all are excellent full-duplex HTs with no desense.
> >
> > It appears you are suggesting that people operate half-duplex. That can
> > work somewhat, but is definitely not something I would ever recommend.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Paul, N8HM
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 18:25 Dale Kubichek via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Message: 10
> >> Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 14:17:14 -0500
> >> From: Tucker McGuire <tucker@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
> >> To: Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
> >> Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> >> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Best HT for satellite operation? This is a
> loaded
> >> questions and every HAM I've ever met has opinions...
> >> It is better to ask what HT's fit SAT OPs functionality:
> >>
> >> Everyone wants 'full duplex', I've not seen a dual-band HT that can do
> >> 'real' RX while the PTT is pushed, period!
> >>
> >> Nest shoot for - What dual-band HT can program SAT offsets (in the SAME
> >> single memory)?
> >> My definition: in one memory can program both 2m-RX AND 70cm-PTT or
> >> vice-versa.
> >> Why: you only need say 4 or 5 memories per SAT for AOS/LOS OPs - one
> less
> >> hand needed and far less hassle. I know Yaesu and Wuoxon can do this
> via
> >> PC Program. Kwood TH-F6, Icom IC-91/T8, Alinco G7 cannot they can do it
> >> only via flipping the A/B Bands (pain in the butt) - they do not allow
> >> cross band offsets in memory.
> >>
> >> Now another BAD issue with Yeasu & Wuoxun is they both have a high
> >> discharge rate of battery when in the OFF state. I found if I leave my
> HT's
> >> on the shelf for +60days I must isolate the battery for the radio to
> >> eliminate wasteful discharging dropp[ing a B-Meter bar. I do this by
> using
> >> a 'paper' business-card cut it to size, sandwich between the battery and
> HT
> >> - isolating the battery contacts. Easy, simple, effective, cheap - what
> HAM
> >> Radio is all about.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >> Dale Kubichek, MS-EET, N6JSX
> >> Sidney, OH 45365 EN70vh
> >>
> >>
> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HAM-SATs
> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RDF-USA
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions
> >> expressed
> >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> >> AMSAT-NA.
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> program!
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> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Mar 9, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
> >
> > You are simply wrong. The Kenwood TH-D72, D7, D7(G) as well as the Yaesu
> > FT-470 and FT-530 all are excellent full-duplex HTs with no desense.
> >
> > It appears you are suggesting that people operate half-duplex. That can
> > work somewhat, but is definitely not something I would ever recommend.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Paul, N8HM
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 18:25 Dale Kubichek via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Message: 10
> >> Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 14:17:14 -0500
> >> From: Tucker McGuire <tucker@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
> >> To: Andrew Glasbrenner <glasbrenner@xxxxxxxxxx.xxx>
> >> Cc: "amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxxx <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
> >> Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Best HT for satellite operation? This is a
> loaded
> >> questions and every HAM I've ever met has opinions...
> >> It is better to ask what HT's fit SAT OPs functionality:
> >>
> >> Everyone wants 'full duplex', I've not seen a dual-band HT that can do
> >> 'real' RX while the PTT is pushed, period!
> >>
> >> Nest shoot for - What dual-band HT can program SAT offsets (in the SAME
> >> single memory)?
> >> My definition: in one memory can program both 2m-RX AND 70cm-PTT or
> >> vice-versa.
> >> Why: you only need say 4 or 5 memories per SAT for AOS/LOS OPs - one
> less
> >> hand needed and far less hassle. I know Yaesu and Wuoxon can do this
> via
> >> PC Program. Kwood TH-F6, Icom IC-91/T8, Alinco G7 cannot they can do it
> >> only via flipping the A/B Bands (pain in the butt) - they do not allow
> >> cross band offsets in memory.
> >>
> >> Now another BAD issue with Yeasu & Wuoxun is they both have a high
> >> discharge rate of battery when in the OFF state. I found if I leave my
> HT's
> >> on the shelf for +60days I must isolate the battery for the radio to
> >> eliminate wasteful discharging dropp[ing a B-Meter bar. I do this by
> using
> >> a 'paper' business-card cut it to size, sandwich between the battery and
> HT
> >> - isolating the battery contacts. Easy, simple, effective, cheap - what
> HAM
> >> Radio is all about.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >> Dale Kubichek, MS-EET, N6JSX
> >> Sidney, OH 45365 EN70vh
> >>
> >>
> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HAM-SATs
> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RDF-USA
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions
> >> expressed
> >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> >> AMSAT-NA.
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> program!
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> >>
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