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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Ham Radios on Princess Cruises (John Spasojevich)
2. Re: Ham Radios on Princess Cruises (Jerry Buxton)
3. Re: Ham Radios on Princess Cruises (Jerry Buxton)
4. Re: Ham Radios on Princess Cruises (Jerry Buxton)
5. Re: Ham Radios on Princess Cruises (Jeff Moore)
6. Re: Ham Radios on Princess Cruises - Ya Mon! (Andy)
7. Re: Ham Radios on Princess Cruises (Mike Diehl)
8. SatPC32 issue (Vincenzo Mone)
9. Re: LilacSat-1 and Codec2 (Dani EA4GPZ)
10. Re: Ham Radios on Princess Cruises (Personal)
11. Upcoming ARISS contact with Australian Air League South
Australia Wing, Elizabeth, South Australia, Australia
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 21:11:07 -0500
From: John Spasojevich <johnag9d@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@xxxx.xxx>
Cc: Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Ham Radios on Princess Cruises
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Gentlemen....without getting into a lot of detail...I can tell you that
regardless of what corporate or an ships agent ashore says....the captain
is the final authority. In all matters.
On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 8:42 PM, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
> I do think a letter from the ARRL to all the cruise companies might be a
> good idea. Very few cruise lines allow amateur radio anymore and that's a
> shame. Operating from the Carnival Liberty during the AMSAT cruise last
> year was great fun!
>
> 73,
>
> Paul, N8HM
>
> On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 9:40 PM, Jeff Moore <tnetcenter@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> > Cancel your cruise and be very specific as to why you are doing so and
> then
> > book on a line that WILL let you bring your radios!! Hams deserve better
> > treatment than this!
> >
> > 7 3
> > Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY
> >
> >
> > On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 5:05 PM, Lee Maisel <maisel@xxxx.xxx> wrote:
> >
> > > Post this to QRZ Forums. Perhaps enough pressure on Princess will get
> > > policies fixed.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 5/24/2017 4:46 PM, Jerry Buxton wrote:
> > >
> > >> This is a very interesting item. Being a multi-time Princess
> cruiser, I
> > >> have requested, received permission for, and taken ham radios on a
> dozen
> > >> cruises over almost two decades. Today, in following up on my
> > >> unanswered request for our upcoming cruise, I was informed through our
> > >> Princess travel agent that the department which handles the amateur
> > >> radio requests says that there will be no more permissions given as
> ham
> > >> radios have been added to the prohibited items list by Princess
> > >> Security. Interestingly, FRS is not on that same list.
> > >>
> > >> We had a bit of a discussion about it but of course the agent is not
> in
> > >> any position to do more than handling the request to the person in
> > >> charge of that, so there won't be any VP9/N0JY/MM on this cruise. To
> > >> make it worse, that would also prohibit even taking the HTs along for
> > >> use on land as we tour the British Isles. I am totally bummed.
> > >>
> > >> Does anybody on this list work for Princess Cruises, maybe have some
> > >> thoughts on this? :-)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > > ---
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> > >
> > >
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 21:33:41 -0500
From: Jerry Buxton <n0jy@xxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Ham Radios on Princess Cruises
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Yeahhhh, well Jeff, I certainly like ham radio a lot and maybe more than
I should now and then (certain XYLs will probably attest to that) but a
cruise is a cruise and so not quite enough discomfort with the ham radio
thing to warrant giving up a good vacation. :-)
Jerry Buxton, N?JY
On 5/28/2017 20:40, Jeff Moore wrote:
> Cancel your cruise and be very specific as to why you are doing so and then
> book on a line that WILL let you bring your radios!! Hams deserve better
> treatment than this!
>
> 7 3
> Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY
>
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 21:31:28 -0500
From: Jerry Buxton <n0jy@xxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Ham Radios on Princess Cruises
Message-ID: <12e75e36-c30b-8f09-3db1-bff7deafb177@xxxxx.xxx>
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A good idea Lee, at least others may be aware that way and not so
surprised as I was.
Jerry Buxton, N?JY
On 5/28/2017 19:05, Lee Maisel wrote:
> Post this to QRZ Forums. Perhaps enough pressure on Princess will
> get policies fixed.
>
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 22:17:02 -0500
From: Jerry Buxton <n0jy@xxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Ham Radios on Princess Cruises
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Good thought Paul, seem like just the thing for our national amateur
radio lobby/support organization, they could present a unified bit of
education/awareness information to the cruise industry for their
consideration. That would seem more effective than various individual
(and possibly less civil) and random contacts. Friendly customer
feedback from any of us who do take a cruise is also something that
would probably be noted as well.
Just as important too, is adhering to the rules. Nothing can undo any
steps forward from the above actions than for one or a few hams to
ignore the rules and decide that they know better or won't get caught.
Actually, I wonder if something like that might be part of the reason
for the change of heart that Princess had. They were clear in their
permission that you could only operate from your balcony and not from
any public places on the ship, I get the feeling that there might be
some who weren't happy with the view/coverage they got from their side
of the ship and tried to take it on their own to better that by moving
to the promenade deck. Oh but it was just for a minute, they didn't get
in anybody's way, there was no harm done - except you essentially broke
the law on the ship. I hate to say it, but more than once I have seen a
ham ignore the request or rules of a ship or a property owner.
Thankfully only a couple of times, but that's two times too many.
That's not the way to educate someone about ham radio, even if you
weren't in anybody's way and there was no harm done. Put it in the
other perspective where you're the captain, like if I tell you you can't
text or email on your cell phone at night while riding in my car unless
you rig for red on your screen (this is a fact, so you know before you
ride with me) and you light up the cabin with full screen brightness
anyway so you can text and then check amsat-bb while we're driving
because it doesn't bother you so how could it bother me, that email you
read out loud to me about a cool new bird that just launched isn't going
to educate or sway me that it's OK to use a cell phone in my car at
night when you just wiped out my night vision. Once I throw that light
out the window (with you attached or not) you can wonder and cuss why I
won't give you a ride again all you want and no amount of campaigning is
likely to convince me that there really is a way to use your cell phone
without burning me again if I'll just forget that happened and let you
try again. You obviously can't follow a rule, why should I believe that
you ever will?
So actually, while ARRL assistance would be great and if it is ignorance
of ham radio that has caused the rules and they are changed to allow ham
radio, we all have to be ready and willing to stand behind that and any
rules of the cruise line and Captain or ARRL is wasting everyone's time
and their own. What say you? Let's all be sure we're good hams, and
earn back their trust! :-)
Jerry Buxton, N?JY
On 5/28/2017 20:42, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
> I do think a letter from the ARRL to all the cruise companies might be a
> good idea. Very few cruise lines allow amateur radio anymore and that's a
> shame. Operating from the Carnival Liberty during the AMSAT cruise last
> year was great fun!
>
> 73,
>
> Paul, N8HM
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 20:58:40 -0700
From: Jeff Moore <tnetcenter@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Jerry Buxton <n0jy@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Ham Radios on Princess Cruises
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Cruise lines, just like every other money-making business. relies on income
from it's customers! You (especially as a RETURNING customer) have a
certain amount of pull with the company, threaten to go somewhere else and
(if they are SMART) they will pay close attention to that!
Can't be bothered? Neither can they! It's real simple, you are either a
part of the solution or a part of the problem! Getting on a forum and
complaining about a problem you are not willing to do something about is a
waste of everyone's time and money.
A concerted effort by 750,000 licensed hams in the US will likely get the
situation corrected, but you have to be willing to make a difference.
So why complain if you aren't willing to pursue a change?
7 3
Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY
On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 7:33 PM, Jerry Buxton <n0jy@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> Yeahhhh, well Jeff, I certainly like ham radio a lot and maybe more than
> I should now and then (certain XYLs will probably attest to that) but a
> cruise is a cruise and so not quite enough discomfort with the ham radio
> thing to warrant giving up a good vacation. :-)
>
> Jerry Buxton, N?JY
>
> On 5/28/2017 20:40, Jeff Moore wrote:
> > Cancel your cruise and be very specific as to why you are doing so and
> then
> > book on a line that WILL let you bring your radios!! Hams deserve better
> > treatment than this!
> >
> > 7 3
> > Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY
> >
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 00:01:02 -0500
From: "Andy" <w5acm@xxxxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Ham Radios on Princess Cruises - Ya Mon!
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Yes, it's all about the money, but...
One ham with a 20M dipole or dangling vertical, an HF rig and a big battery
can really mess things up for us folks with long whips or Arrows and
slightly oversized "FRS" HTs...
WB5RMA and I usually get inside cabins and I operate from very obscure
places on the ships with superb views for the pass I am chasing.
Be sure that you are licensed for the ship's registered country... They
change a lot.
Check out the excellent recent article in the Journal by N5AFV for some
excellent guidelines on cruising for satellites.
Book Carnival whenever possible.
I love putting the water grids on the air!
Andy W5ACM/C6ACM, etc...
Hamsat cruising since 1992
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From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On Behalf Of Jeff Moore
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 10:59 PM
To: Jerry Buxton <n0jy@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Ham Radios on Princess Cruises
Cruise lines, just like every other money-making business. relies on income
from it's customers! You (especially as a RETURNING customer) have a
certain amount of pull with the company, threaten to go somewhere else and
(if they are SMART) they will pay close attention to that!
Can't be bothered? Neither can they! It's real simple, you are either a
part of the solution or a part of the problem! Getting on a forum and
complaining about a problem you are not willing to do something about is a
waste of everyone's time and money.
A concerted effort by 750,000 licensed hams in the US will likely get the
situation corrected, but you have to be willing to make a difference.
So why complain if you aren't willing to pursue a change?
7 3
Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY
On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 7:33 PM, Jerry Buxton <n0jy@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> Yeahhhh, well Jeff, I certainly like ham radio a lot and maybe more
> than I should now and then (certain XYLs will probably attest to that)
> but a cruise is a cruise and so not quite enough discomfort with the ham
radio
> thing to warrant giving up a good vacation. :-)
>
> Jerry Buxton, N?JY
>
> On 5/28/2017 20:40, Jeff Moore wrote:
> > Cancel your cruise and be very specific as to why you are doing so
> > and
> then
> > book on a line that WILL let you bring your radios!! Hams deserve
> > better treatment than this!
> >
> > 7 3
> > Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY
> >
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect
> the official views of AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
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>
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 23:33:39 -0700
From: Mike Diehl <diehl.mike.a@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Jeff Moore <tnetcenter@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: Amsat BB <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Ham Radios on Princess Cruises
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Jeff,
I think it's a bit unfair to play the "if you aren't part of the solution
then you're part of the problem" card.
You're correct, businesses rely on their income but let's look at this
realistically. Hams represent 0.2% of the U.S. population. Using that as a
gauge I'm willing to bet that's a pretty close representation on the boat as
well. Having 99.8% of your customers potentially upset with some ham and
their antenna just doesn't make good business sense whether we like it or not.
Jerry just seems to be disappointed that he couldn't help the rest of us out
by taking radios to places. Putting the onus on him to change it all because
he isn't happy about it isn't very fair, he does enough for us already.
73,
Mike Diehl
AI6GS
> On May 28, 2017, at 8:58 PM, Jeff Moore <tnetcenter@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> Cruise lines, just like every other money-making business. relies on income
> from it's customers! You (especially as a RETURNING customer) have a
> certain amount of pull with the company, threaten to go somewhere else and
> (if they are SMART) they will pay close attention to that!
>
> Can't be bothered? Neither can they! It's real simple, you are either a
> part of the solution or a part of the problem! Getting on a forum and
> complaining about a problem you are not willing to do something about is a
> waste of everyone's time and money.
>
> A concerted effort by 750,000 licensed hams in the US will likely get the
> situation corrected, but you have to be willing to make a difference.
>
> So why complain if you aren't willing to pursue a change?
>
> 7 3
> Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY
>
>> On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 7:33 PM, Jerry Buxton <n0jy@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>>
>> Yeahhhh, well Jeff, I certainly like ham radio a lot and maybe more than
>> I should now and then (certain XYLs will probably attest to that) but a
>> cruise is a cruise and so not quite enough discomfort with the ham radio
>> thing to warrant giving up a good vacation. :-)
>>
>> Jerry Buxton, N?JY
>>
>>> On 5/28/2017 20:40, Jeff Moore wrote:
>>> Cancel your cruise and be very specific as to why you are doing so and
>> then
>>> book on a line that WILL let you bring your radios!! Hams deserve better
>>> treatment than this!
>>>
>>> 7 3
>>> Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
>> expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>> AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
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AMSAT-NA.
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 11:15:54 +0200
From: Vincenzo Mone <vimone@xxxxx.xx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPC32 issue
Message-ID: <19BB21C2-E9C9-48C6-8FBB-F42E40B396DD@xxxxx.xx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Hello,
I am trying the SatPC32 but cannot get it work.
When I go to run it I see that it opens and quickly reclose.
I have tried to uninstall and re install it several times but get the same
issue
Any suggestions?
Thanks
73's de Enzo IK8OZV
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 11:04:31 +0200
From: Dani EA4GPZ <daniel@xxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] LilacSat-1 and Codec2
Message-ID: <bef1d289-b599-c774-1bdf-f4431469f91a@xxxxxxxx.xxx>
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El 28/05/17 a las 05:25, Tom Schuessler escribi?:
> OK I'm NOT a Linux guy. Let's see if we can do LilacSat-1 for the rest of
> us.
>
> What I have been able to figure out is that Codec2 is a digital voice codec
> that creates audio speech out of some input data. If I read things right,
> LilacSat-1's concept here is to take analog FM (PL tone of 67HZ to open it's
> squelch), input and digitize the audio and then encode what it hears to
> digital data using the Codec2 process. That data is transmitted on a 9600
> data stream BPSK decoded by an application. I think that is a good basic
> explanation of the system. A unique concept.
Hi Tom,
Your understanding is almost correct. To be precise, LilacSat-1 has an
SDR, so RF is digitized and then FM demodulation is done digitally (on
an ARM processor, I think).
> Now back to not being a Linux person. I see the posts on the BB dealing
> with folks using GNU radio to decode the data. GNU Radio which is a Linux
> Digital voice program apparently can be ported to Windows, but the install
> process is very touchy feely. My looking at pages about Codec2 I get
> references to the "FreeDV" program. I found they do have a Windows
> installer for FreeDV. Is that the accepted program for this purpose using
> CODEC2? After installing the FreeDV program, I see that there are different
> flavors of the Codec it uses, but only some of them seem to match what is
> noted as flavors on the Codec2 development page. Which actual flavor is the
> LilacSat-1 system using?
Codec2 is an open-source audio codec which was developed because all the
other low bitrate codecs that one can use for radio are covered by
patents. It is used in FreeDV, which is a complete solution (digital
voice mode) for HF (and a mode for VHF/UHF is now in development).
FreeDV and LilacSat-1 use the same codec, but other than that, the rest
(the modem) is different.
The Codec2 variant used in LilacSat-1 is Codec2 1300bps, which is the
same that is used in FreeDV 1600. LilacSat-1 uses 9600baud BPSK and FEC
following the CCSDS standard. It uses custom framing to multiplex the
digital voice with telemetry and the image downlink. FreeDV 1600 uses
multicarrier BPSK/QPSK at a total of 1600bps.
So the FreeDV software can't be used for LilacSat-1.
Currently, the only solutions to receive LilacSat-1 involve GNU Radio.
You have a decoder in gr-lilacsat
https://github.com/bg2bhc/gr-lilacsat
which was developed by Wei BG2BHC (he is in the satellite team) and
another in gr-satellites which I developed
https://github.com/daniestevez/gr-satellites
Probably it's easier to get up and running gr-lilacsat, but the decoder
in gr-satellites has some extra features.
> I intend to give this a listen sometime this long weekend to see if I can
> decode anything. Should be interesting. Does anyone have raw downlink data
> samples that I could use to test what the FreeDV program can "hear"?
You have a sample here:
https://github.com/daniestevez/satellite-recordings
73,
Dani EA4GPZ
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 07:10:53 -0500
From: Personal <johnag9d@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Jerry Buxton <n0jy@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Ham Radios on Princess Cruises
Message-ID: <4309FDEF-4DE1-40B7-964B-ED7A5293F196@xxxxx.xxx>
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Carnival Liberty is the exception rather than the rule. And reading the
screw the captain just do what you want line is typical of today's mentality
in society a a whole. Perhaps the cruise line is being mean and nasty to the
ham community. Many be the cruise line is ignoring the four or five hams
that book a cruise versus the 3500 other passengers per departure. Perhaps
the captain is ignorant of ham radio. Perhaps the captain doesn't want to
hear every day from some passengers who see you waiving your arrow and
talking to someone they can't see ...ooh captain there's some odd person
talking to someone with a thingy they might be terrorists ... You better
believe someone somewhere on a ship has made that complaint, they complain
about everything else. Go ahead and ignore the lines rules and ignore the
captain too. I hope he confiscates your gear and shows you the special cabin
inside cabin. It's not always about money and it's not always about the
minority forcing themselves onto th
e majority.msometimes it's about you just can't do it, for no other reason
than I said so.
Sent from my iPad
> On May 28, 2017, at 10:17 PM, Jerry Buxton <n0jy@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> Good thought Paul, seem like just the thing for our national amateur
> radio lobby/support organization, they could present a unified bit of
> education/awareness information to the cruise industry for their
> consideration. That would seem more effective than various individual
> (and possibly less civil) and random contacts. Friendly customer
> feedback from any of us who do take a cruise is also something that
> would probably be noted as well.
>
> Just as important too, is adhering to the rules. Nothing can undo any
> steps forward from the above actions than for one or a few hams to
> ignore the rules and decide that they know better or won't get caught.
> Actually, I wonder if something like that might be part of the reason
> for the change of heart that Princess had. They were clear in their
> permission that you could only operate from your balcony and not from
> any public places on the ship, I get the feeling that there might be
> some who weren't happy with the view/coverage they got from their side
> of the ship and tried to take it on their own to better that by moving
> to the promenade deck. Oh but it was just for a minute, they didn't get
> in anybody's way, there was no harm done - except you essentially broke
> the law on the ship. I hate to say it, but more than once I have seen a
> ham ignore the request or rules of a ship or a property owner.
> Thankfully only a couple of times, but that's two times too many.
>
> That's not the way to educate someone about ham radio, even if you
> weren't in anybody's way and there was no harm done. Put it in the
> other perspective where you're the captain, like if I tell you you can't
> text or email on your cell phone at night while riding in my car unless
> you rig for red on your screen (this is a fact, so you know before you
> ride with me) and you light up the cabin with full screen brightness
> anyway so you can text and then check amsat-bb while we're driving
> because it doesn't bother you so how could it bother me, that email you
> read out loud to me about a cool new bird that just launched isn't going
> to educate or sway me that it's OK to use a cell phone in my car at
> night when you just wiped out my night vision. Once I throw that light
> out the window (with you attached or not) you can wonder and cuss why I
> won't give you a ride again all you want and no amount of campaigning is
> likely to convince me that there really is a way to use your cell phone
> without burning me again if I'll just forget that happened and let you
> try again. You obviously can't follow a rule, why should I believe that
> you ever will?
>
> So actually, while ARRL assistance would be great and if it is ignorance
> of ham radio that has caused the rules and they are changed to allow ham
> radio, we all have to be ready and willing to stand behind that and any
> rules of the cruise line and Captain or ARRL is wasting everyone's time
> and their own. What say you? Let's all be sure we're good hams, and
> earn back their trust! :-)
>
> Jerry Buxton, N?JY
>
>> On 5/28/2017 20:42, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
>> I do think a letter from the ARRL to all the cruise companies might be a
>> good idea. Very few cruise lines allow amateur radio anymore and that's a
>> shame. Operating from the Carnival Liberty during the AMSAT cruise last
>> year was great fun!
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Paul, N8HM
>
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Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 09:38:01 -0400
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To: <ariss-press@xxxxx.xxx>, "amsat-edu" <amsat-edu@xxxxx.xxx>,
<amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Upcoming ARISS contact with Australian Air League
South Australia Wing, Elizabeth, South Australia, Australia
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An International Space Station school contact has been planned with
participants at Australian Air League South Australia Wing, Elizabeth, South
Australia, Australia on 31 May. The event is scheduled to begin at
approximately 09:35 UTC. It is recommended that you start listening
approximately 10 minutes before this time.The duration of the contact is
approximately 9 minutes and 30 seconds. The contact will be a telebridge
between NA1SS and W6SRJ. The contact should be audible over the west coast
of the U.S. Interested parties are invited to listen in on the 145.80 MHz
downlink. The contact is expected to be conducted in English.
The Australian Air League is a youth organization for boys and girls aged
from 8 to 18 years which encourages an interest in aviation as a career or
as a hobby for the youth of Australia. The organization is entirely
self-funding and is staffed by volunteers who give their time generously to
achieve its goals. The Australian Air League has no political, racial or
religious connections.
The aims and objectives of the Australian Air League include:
* To promote and encourage the development of Aviation in the Youth of
Australia
* To promote good citizenship
* To promote ingenuity and resourcefulness of its members
* To develop the physical and mental abilities of its members
The League's motto "A Vinculo Terrae" translates into "Free from the bonds
of the Earth". This motto contains the very essence of flight into space.
The Australian Air League was formed in 1934, in an era when Australian
Aviators such as Sir Charles Kingsford-Smith, Charles Ulm, Bert Hinkler, Sir
Ross and Keith Smith and others were household names and heroes. The first
Squadron was opened in Manly (NSW) and the Air League quickly spread
throughout that state. In early 1939 the first Squadron was opened in
Victoria and in 1944 the first Girls Section was formed. Today the
Australian Air League is active in NSW, the ACT, Victoria, Queensland, and
South Australia and is still expanding.
Participants will ask as many of the following questions as time allows:
1. You must see some amazing views, so what is your favourite city to look
down to from space?
2. If a piece of space junk hit the I.S.S., what is your role?
3. How would you describe space to someone who hasn't been there?
4. What are experiments you have been allocated to look after on the I.S.S.?
5. How long did you have to train to do this?
6. If children/adults wanted to become an astronaut, would you encourage them
to or not? Why?
7. What do you miss most from earth?
8. What do you do when you have spare time?
9. How happy were you when you were picked to go to space?
10. What is your favourite thing about being in space?
11. What do you want to achieve that you have not achieved yet?
12. How do you cope being away from your loved ones for extended periods of
time?
13. How do you get a haircut in space?
14. Do you need any experience as a pilot to become an astronaut?
15. How does the 3D printer feed the filament in zero gravity?
16. How long have you been in space for and when were you launched?
17. Is it easy to survive with other people in space?
18. What landing craft do you find the most comfortable to travel in?
19. When you look out the window down to earth, what thoughts about home or
returning home go through your mind?
20. What food do you eat and how is it prepared?
21. How do they guide the resupply capsules to the ISS?
PLEASE CHECK THE FOLLOWING FOR MORE INFORMATION ON ARISS UPDATES:
Visit ARISS on Facebook. We can be found at Amateur Radio on the
International Space Station (ARISS).
To receive our Twitter updates, follow @xxxxxxxxxxxx
Next planned event(s):
TBD
About ARISS:
Amateur Radio on the International Space Station (ARISS) is a cooperative
venture of international amateur radio societies and the space agencies that
support the International Space Station (ISS). In the United States,
sponsors are the Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation (AMSAT), the American
Radio Relay League (ARRL), the Center for the Advancement of Science in
Space (CASIS) and National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA).
The primary goal of ARISS is to promote exploration of science, technology,
engineering, and mathematics (STEM) topics by organizing scheduled contacts
via amateur radio between crew members aboard the ISS and students in
classrooms or informal education venues. With the help of experienced
amateur radio volunteers, ISS crews speak directly with large audiences in a
variety of public forums. Before and during these radio contacts, students,
teachers, parents, and communities learn about space, space technologies,
and amateur radio. For more informa
tion, see www.ariss.org, www.amsat.org, and www.arrl.org.
Thank you & 73,
David - AA4KN
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