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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Elex equip surviving total immersion (Roger)
2. Re: Elex equip surviving total immersion (Zach Metzinger)
3. For Sale: FT-817nd (Ken Alexander)
4. Re: Captains and Passengers (George Henry)
5. Looking for 70CM preamp (Paul Baldock)
6. UT1FG/MM Schedule (John Papay)
7. Be kind to our old lady AO-7 (Ronald G. Parsons)
8. Re: Be kind to our old lady AO-7 (Rick Tejera)
9. Re: Be kind to our old lady AO-7 (Ryan Noguchi)
10. Re: Be kind to our old lady AO-7 (John Geiger)
11. Re: Be kind to our old lady AO-7 (Matthew Stevens)
12. Re: Be kind to our old lady AO-7 (Gabriel Zeifman)
13. Re: Be kind to our old lady AO-7 (Zach Metzinger)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 16:04:11 -0700
From: Roger <ai7rogerroger@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Robert Bruninga <bruninga@xxxx.xxx>, amsat bb <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Elex equip surviving total immersion
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Another method I've seen work quite successfully:
Place a cup or so of rice and the phone in a ziplock bag ensuring there's
enough rice to cover the phone completely. Suck the air out and leave it
for a day. I thought of the ziplock but my wife usually just sticks it in
the container of rice.
73, Roger
W7TZ
CN83ia
Grid Busters
w7tz.webs.com
On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Franklin Antonio <antonio@xxx.xxxxxxxx.xxx>
wrote:
> You found the magic method!
>
> Most people don't realize how LOOOONG it takes for water to evaporate out
> of all the really tiny spaces under ball grid integrated circuits and
> whatnot these days. I have long recommended 24 or 48 hours or even longer
> at 150F. Higher temps risk melting plastic parts.
>
> Opening the gizmo so water vapor can get out is of course also helpful,
> but most folks don't know how. If you can't open a gizmo, then cycling
> temperature between room temp and 150F can also be helpful. This "pumps"
> the water vapor out. It takes a long time to do a cycle, because you have
> to wait for the innards to really cool, and there are long thermal time
> constants. I do it by raising the oven to 150F, then turning it off and
> letting it cool down over the next couple of hours, then repeat. I suggest
> anyone doing this PUT A SIGN ON THE OVEN so nobody accidentally tries to
> use the oven during this time.
>
> The thing that destroys wet electronics is electrolytic action. If you
> can take the battery out, do it instantly. Otherwise, while it is wet
> current will flow thru the water bridges between circuits, and deposit
> conductive compounds formed from the metal ions moved by the current. Once
> you have a bunch of conductive junk under chips etc, recovery is very very
> difficult. If you can't take the battery out, turn the thing off as soon
> as possible (which of course in modern electronics doesn't mean really
> "off", but at least some circuits will be deenergized.) Then begin the
> drying process immediately. Time is your enemy, as every second the
> battery is in, metal ions are moving.
>
> Impatient people don't leave the phone in the oven long enough, try to
> turn on and use the still-wet-inside gizmo, thus destroying it.
>
> Did someone take a video of you in the muck? We might even pay to see
> that.
>
> ________________________________________
> From: AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxx> on behalf of Robert Bruninga <
> bruninga@xxxx.xxx>
> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 2:11 PM
> To: amsat bb
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Elex equip surviving total immersion
>
> Leaning over the edge of a pier, I heard a plunk and as they say, time
> slowed down as my brain instantly realized it was my cellphone,.
>
> I jumped in and dug around in the muck (about 3' deep) and probably in
> under a minute found it. Ran to the house. ran fresh water all over it,
> dried it and then the same with alcohol. Then dried it in the toaster oven
> (NOT ON, but I'd let it get too hot to touch, then turn it off and stick
> the phone in.
>
> That sorta worked. But the screen was shot. Next day I took it apart 2
> screws and then just unsnap everything. There is virtually nothing inside
> but one circuit board anda few chips and the chcklet keyboard. The screen
> would not detach.
>
> So I then put the ckt brd in a 60C (140F) box and left it 24 hours. Now
> it works perfectly!
>
> Just FYI
> Bob
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 18:05:45 -0500
From: Zach Metzinger <zmetzing@xxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Elex equip surviving total immersion
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On 05/29/17 16:11, Robert Bruninga wrote:
> That sorta worked. But the screen was shot. Next day I took it apart 2
> screws and then just unsnap everything. There is virtually nothing inside
> but one circuit board anda few chips and the chcklet keyboard. The screen
> would not detach.
>
> So I then put the ckt brd in a 60C (140F) box and left it 24 hours. Now
> it works perfectly!
Another handy way to recover after this sort of catastrophe: remove the
battery (quickly, as others have said) and then put it in a bucket with
_distilled_ water. Slosh it around a bit, pull it out, dump that water,
and repeat.
Then dry it out with the 140F box. Compressed air can help get water out
of the crevices, but go gently.
Pure, distilled H2O is non-conductive and is used to "aqueous" wash some
electronics after soldering/reflow. Keeping a few gallons of distilled
water around is useful for soldering sponges, irons, radiators, etc. too!
--- Zach
N0ZGO
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 21:24:42 -0400
From: Ken Alexander <k.alexander@xxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] For Sale: FT-817nd
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I have for sale one FT-817ND, in excellent condition and complete with
box, manual and all standard accessories as it comes from the store.
Asking U.S. $580 and includes shipping to Canada and continental U.S.
Paypal or Interac e-transfer please.
73,
Ken
VE3HLS
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 23:42:26 -0500
From: "George Henry" <ka3hsw@xxx.xxx>
To: "Roy Dean" <royldean@xxxxx.xxx>, <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Captains and Passengers
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There is a document called "The Photographer's Right"
http://www.krages.com/ThePhotographersRight.pdf which I carry whenever
photographing in public places. Have never had to use it myself, but know
others who have, when hassled by over-zealous security at some buildings in
Chicago as well as the oil refinery in Joliet.
George, KA3HSW
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roy Dean" <royldean@xxxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Captains and Passengers
> *KA9QJG KA9QJG at COMCAST.NET
>
<amsat-bb%40amsat.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5Bamsat-bb%5D%20Captains%20and%20Passen
gers&In-Reply-To=%3C02d501d2d8bd%2470a6e4d0%2451f4ae70%24%40COMCAST.NET%3E>
> Wrote:*
>
> *As We all know the World has changed since 911 , As a big Scanner
> user **all of us use to be able to take a Scanner , Recorder . Camera
> , Binoculars **Etc to an Airport , Rail Yard , Boat Yard to Listen
> and find Freqs . if **we try that now Homeland Security will drag
> our butts in for Questioning .*
>
>
> Oddly enough, the above is what got me into amateur radio (satellites came
> along for the ride) - the government slowly starting to encrypt their
> communications. But the rest of it (being questioned by homeland
> security) is not true (or, at least, is illegal). If you are on public
> property, and are not breaking any laws (of which there are none when it
> comes to binoculars or cameras), then homeland security CANNOT detain you.
> If they do, you have a very winnable court case.
>
> See:
>
http://www.photoattorney.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Photographing-the-Exte
rior-of-Federal-Buildings.pdf
>
> The above applies to private entities, as well.
>
> If scanning is legal in your locale (and it is in MOST states), then local
> and federal police can't do anything about it - at least not without
> violating our (USA) constitutional rights.
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 08:04:32 -0700
From: Paul Baldock <pbaldock@xxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: <amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Looking for 70CM preamp
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Does anybody have a 70CM mast mount preamp that they would like to sell?
Thanks
- Paul KW7Y
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 16:33:32 -0400
From: John Papay <john@xxxxxx.xxx>
To: amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx
Subject: [amsat-bb] UT1FG/MM Schedule
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Yuri, UT1FG, is in IN79 now and he is headed
to Gibraltar and Cartagena to unload. He plans
to be on most AO-7 and FO-29 passes that touch the
East Coast of the US, both day and nightime. He will
likely depart the ship and fly home on the 10th of June.
First pass will be 0130z tonight on FO-29.
Please send me logsheets by June 5th. Hopefully
he will be able to mail them when he leaves the ship.
73,
John K8YSE
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 18:42:08 -0500
From: "Ronald G. Parsons" <w5rkn@xxxxx.xxx>
To: "AMSAT-BB" <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Be kind to our old lady AO-7
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Lately, AO-7 has spontaneously switched out of Mode B during passes over the
US and probably other places.
Since AO-7?s batteries are not functioning, it relies totally on its solar
cells, which have limited capacity. As more users are online, and especially
when one or more users are using more than the minimum necessary uplink
power, the power system will fail and cause a switch out of Mode B. I have
saved a FlexRadio waterfall display of four passes from around 2200Z from
the four previous days. In three out of four passes, just before the
unexpected mode switch, a strong CW signal popped up around 145.950 MHz.
AO-7 switched out of Mode B seconds thereafter. I can?t say for sure it was
the cause but it happened three days in a row. Today?s pass had only one
user, a low-power digital signal which appeared briefly, and no mode switch
occurred. Screen shot JPG?s are available via the following link.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-Jez46MB5RaMzV0RlhmWHNWcjg/view?usp=sharing
To minimize the chance of causing a switch out of Mode B, use the very
minimum uplink power necessary. Even if a mode switch is not triggered, too
much uplink power will cause distortion over the entire passband.
AO-7 has been a great satellite, and she deserves our tender loving care.
USE THE LOWEST POSSIBLE UPLINK POWER!!!
Ron W5RKN
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 16:52:14 -0700
From: "Rick Tejera" <SaguaroAstro@xxx.xxx>
To: "'Ronald G. Parsons'" <w5rkn@xxxxx.xxx>, "'AMSAT-BB'"
<AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Be kind to our old lady AO-7
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Wait till Field Day.........
Rick Tejera (K7TEJ)
Saguaro Astronomy Club
www.saguaroastro.org
Thunderbird Amateur Radio Club
www.W7TBC.org
-----Original Message-----
From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@xxxxx.xxxx On Behalf Of Ronald G.
Parsons
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 4:42 PM
To: AMSAT-BB <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Be kind to our old lady AO-7
Lately, AO-7 has spontaneously switched out of Mode B during passes over the
US and probably other places.
Since AO-7?s batteries are not functioning, it relies totally on its solar
cells, which have limited capacity. As more users are online, and especially
when one or more users are using more than the minimum necessary uplink
power, the power system will fail and cause a switch out of Mode B. I have
saved a FlexRadio waterfall display of four passes from around 2200Z from
the four previous days. In three out of four passes, just before the
unexpected mode switch, a strong CW signal popped up around 145.950 MHz.
AO-7 switched out of Mode B seconds thereafter. I can?t say for sure it was
the cause but it happened three days in a row. Today?s pass had only one
user, a low-power digital signal which appeared briefly, and no mode switch
occurred. Screen shot JPG?s are available via the following link.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-Jez46MB5RaMzV0RlhmWHNWcjg/view?usp=sharing
To minimize the chance of causing a switch out of Mode B, use the very
minimum uplink power necessary. Even if a mode switch is not triggered, too
much uplink power will cause distortion over the entire passband.
AO-7 has been a great satellite, and she deserves our tender loving care.
USE THE LOWEST POSSIBLE UPLINK POWER!!!
Ron W5RKN
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 00:04:58 +0000 (UTC)
From: Ryan Noguchi <ai6do@xxxxx.xxx>
To: AMSAT-BB <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Be kind to our old lady AO-7
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>Lately, AO-7 has spontaneously switched out of Mode B during passes over
the US and probably other places.?>...
My understanding is that this is not uncommon. ?The first question that
comes to my mind: ?Are there stations that consistently work AO-7 on Mode A
shortly after the satellite resets?
73, Ryan AI6DO
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 01:16:35 +0000
From: John Geiger <af5cc2@xxxxx.xxx>
To: Ryan Noguchi <ai6do@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT-BB <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Be kind to our old lady AO-7
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Are there many stations doing Mode A at all? I haven't worked too many
people on that mode before, but it is a lot of fun. Once it switches to
Mode A, what causes it to eventually go back to Mode B?
73 John AF5CC
On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 12:04 AM, Ryan Noguchi via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> >Lately, AO-7 has spontaneously switched out of Mode B during passes over
> the US and probably other places. >...
>
> My understanding is that this is not uncommon. The first question that
> comes to my mind: Are there stations that consistently work AO-7 on Mode A
> shortly after the satellite resets?
>
> 73, Ryan AI6DO
>
>
>
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 21:20:43 -0400
From: Matthew Stevens <matthew@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: John Geiger <af5cc2@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT-BB <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Be kind to our old lady AO-7
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I am not set up for mode A, but in the recordings I've heard made by others
who are - seems like you're lucky to hear anyone on mode A at all. I don't
think anyone is intentionally causing the mode change just so they can work
mode A.
Once the satellite enters eclipse (goes out of sunlight) it will reset back
to mode B for the next pass.
?73,?
- Matthew
? kk4fem?
On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 9:16 PM, John Geiger <af5cc2@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
> Are there many stations doing Mode A at all? I haven't worked too many
> people on that mode before, but it is a lot of fun. Once it switches to
> Mode A, what causes it to eventually go back to Mode B?
>
> 73 John AF5CC
>
> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 12:04 AM, Ryan Noguchi via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> >
> > >Lately, AO-7 has spontaneously switched out of Mode B during passes over
> > the US and probably other places. >...
> >
> > My understanding is that this is not uncommon. The first question that
> > comes to my mind: Are there stations that consistently work AO-7 on
> Mode A
> > shortly after the satellite resets?
> >
> > 73, Ryan AI6DO
> >
> >
> >
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 20:54:48 -0500
From: Gabriel Zeifman <gabrielzeifman@xxxxx.xxx>
To: John Geiger <af5cc2@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT-BB <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Be kind to our old lady AO-7
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It nearly always wakes up into mode B after each eclipse. So since it is
currently (and for the foreseeable future) eclipsing every orbit, it will
reset once every orbit after re-entering sunlight from eclipse.
73,
Gabe
NJ7H
> On May 31, 2017, at 8:16 PM, John Geiger <af5cc2@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
> Are there many stations doing Mode A at all? I haven't worked too many
> people on that mode before, but it is a lot of fun. Once it switches to
> Mode A, what causes it to eventually go back to Mode B?
>
> 73 John AF5CC
>
> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 12:04 AM, Ryan Noguchi via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@xxxxx.xxx> wrote:
>
>>
>>> Lately, AO-7 has spontaneously switched out of Mode B during passes over
>> the US and probably other places. >...
>>
>> My understanding is that this is not uncommon. The first question that
>> comes to my mind: Are there stations that consistently work AO-7 on Mode A
>> shortly after the satellite resets?
>>
>> 73, Ryan AI6DO
>>
>>
>>
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 21:09:08 -0500
From: Zach Metzinger <zmetzing@xxxxx.xxx>
Cc: AMSAT-BB <AMSAT-BB@xxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Be kind to our old lady AO-7
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On 05/31/17 20:16, John Geiger wrote:
> Are there many stations doing Mode A at all? I haven't worked too many
> people on that mode before, but it is a lot of fun. Once it switches to
> Mode A, what causes it to eventually go back to Mode B?
Perhaps a novice question: Is there any reason not to work it in Mode A
when it switches?
--- Zach
N0ZGO
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